[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread William Samson
Thank you for the heads-up, Ed. I just checked and the CD won't be available in the UK until April 23rd. Pre-ordering is possible though! Tony is certainly covering the repertoire, isn't he? Interesting that he uses A70. It's really all you can do when you use a gut chanterelle

[BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread bh
Dear Martyn, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. I think you confuse it with some other recording. (Old Gautiers Nightinghall?) This one is quite new. [1]www.ramee.org/1104gb.html best regards Bernd

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread William Samson
Hi Martyn, Go to [1]www.spotify.com where you can download the player onto your computer. There are then two options - you can go for the free version which has occasional ads between tracks, or the paid version that is ad-free. Being a Scotsman I put up with the ads! Best

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Rob MacKillop
Will I be shot down in flames by suggesting you don't use Spotify? The thing is a massive rip off. The musician gets almost nothing for being on it. Lady Gaga had over a million plays on it, and received just over 100 dollars. Imagine what Anthony Bailes would receive... Many

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Martyn, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. I think you confuse it with some other recording. (Old Gautiers Nightinghall?) This one is quite new. [1]www.ramee.org/1104gb.html best regards Bernd To be

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Good point Rob rgds Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote: From: Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: William Samson

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Mathias, Interesting. As said, I don't think any reasonably sized lute is 'wrong': it's more a matter of what might have been generally expected at the particular time. My comments relate principally to French lute music of the mid/late 17th century (as on Anthony

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE]Spotify . . .

2012-03-16 Thread David van Ooijen
  the case, too, that even when things are done legally, the artist is at   the end of the queue for picking up their meagre share of the takings. Artists usually pay to record cds these days. In return they receive a number of cds to sell by themsleves. Depending on the name/popularity of the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Anthony Hind! Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. After that I was hooked. So was I at the time. All my prejudices were set, and I was sent for a long way. I have enjoyed his

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Anthony and all, I also very much enjoy that old recording of AB on EMI Reflexe. A great, old recording. Your statement that (although, I imagine that with his 76cm lute pure gut basses should also work well) is in complete agreement with my recent experimentation. As you know, I have

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Monica Hall
Dear Both of You I think the plenitiful supply of choral groups is a particularly English thing because every Cathedral, Anglican or Roman Catholic has a full time choir usually with a choir school of some sort attached and all these singers have grown up in them man and boy (and girl now).

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Christopher Wilke
Monica, Smaller Catholic churches may or may not have had the performing resources to present much in the way of elaborate polyphony, but they would have certainly had plainchant either sung by hired singers or the priests and deacons themselves. By and large, the congregation

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE]Spotify . . .

2012-03-16 Thread William Samson
Thanks Rob. This is interesting. Presumably the publisher/record company must get something worthwhile out of this, or they wouldn't be agreeing to let Spotify include their tracks. Either that or they view it as a marketing tool that will encourage listeners to buy the download

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Stephen Stubbs
On 3/16/2012 7:22 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Monica, Smaller Catholic churches may or may not have had the performing resources to present much in the way of elaborate polyphony, but they would have certainly had plainchant either sung by hired singers or the priests

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Monica Hall
Sorry - I would question a lot of what you are saying. It depends what you mean by smaller Catholic churches. Most peasants lived in small scattered rural communites and the clergy who ministered to them were not necessarily highly educated or particularly musical. If they did

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD

2012-03-16 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear All Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. After that I was hooked. I have enjoyed his recent CDs (although I had not yet heard this, his most recent one), but regret that the

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Ron Andrico
Thank you for the clarifications, Monica. I was tempted to add my two sense but your words more effectively expressed my reaction. At the risk of mumbling this topic to death, I will add that our practical experience pretty much confirms your observations. We have had some very

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Monica Hall
Well - our vicar can't even intone the Gospel on one note without ending at least a tone lower than where he started. Perhaps musical historians don't realize how complex plainchant is and how difficult it is to sing well. Monica - Original Message - From:

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Martin Luther, circa 1500, say Why should the Devil have all the best music?, and took his lute and recorder to the German taverns to play his hymns. May I say at least that this is news to me: Luther playing the recorder, and Luther playing and

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Christopher Wilke
Monica, --- On Fri, 3/16/12, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Sorry - I would question a lot of what you are saying. It depends what you mean by smaller Catholic churches. Most peasants lived in small scattered rural communites and the clergy who ministered

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
In fact. Read Burney on the quality of most church music he encountered on the Continent. RT From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com I never suggested elaborate settings, in fact, I argued against it. Be careful not to project our modern notions of quality on past periods. To get

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Monica Hall
In the old Catholic Church, there was not a just go with what you've got attitude: Dearie me! I am not saying that there was a just go with what you've got attitude. Most of the things in your list (I have never heard of Susan Carroll-Clark) are very basic and have nothing to do with

[LUTE] Re: Help, please!

2012-03-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thank you so much Ken ! I do appreciate your kind and fast gesture. Hope I can help you back some time ! All the best, Jean-Marie Poirier = == En réponse au message du 16-03-2012, 22:04:58 == I've attached the article for you. Ken Brodkey On 3/16/2012 1:53

[LUTE] Article on Holborne

2012-03-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thank you for sending the article I requested about Anthony Holborne. You were a fantastic help once more ! All the best, Jean-Marie To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules correction!

2012-03-16 Thread Stephen Stubbs
Reference: Luther, Biography of a Reformer, by Frederick Nohl, Concordia Publishing House, 2003. ISBN 0-7586-0651-6 Luther thought it was critical that lay people (non-clergy and the unlearned) be able to understand the service, be able to sing the hymns during service, and be able to read