The lute mail list server has been down for a week. I have it running
on a spare for now, I hope I can get it fixed tomorrow.
Wayne
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where it is still available. If there is something else of interest, like
learning what the ancients wrote about right hand positions, send me an email
and I will try to get a copy of those pages to you, if I can get that
computer to cooperate (which it might not do).
Wayne
for such a thing.
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that it is important to keep some of the old
messages for context it would be best to edit them down to a short and legible
summary. They are not legible now.
Wayne
On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Dear Wayne,
On trying to open some
Hi Dan -
The lute mail list filters out most things like this .. sending any kind of
spam to the list causes me headaches, so I would rather that you didn't do it.
You message will be tagged
as spam coming from the lute server.
Wayne
On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh
Davide -
mailing a PDF file to the lute list doesn't work. Do you have a web page
address for it
that you can share with us?
Wayne
On Oct 17, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it
wrote:
0
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Mel Wong has reviewed a certain Paki lute .. and he made some inexpensive lutes
himself.
http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/2011/11/14/attention-cheapskates-paki-bashers-hoi-polloi/
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: Michael O'Rourke morco...@gmail.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reasonably
Mel has a lot of articles about inexpensive lutes in his archives on his web
page,
they are worth reading.
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US
Date: October 2, 2012 4:54:17 PM EDT
To: lute
Sorry - I didn't know that .. I was quoting what I had just read.
Wayne
On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
Wayne, the term Paki is regarded as being deeply offensive in the UK...not
sure about the US or elsewhere.
Rob
www.robmackillop.net
Here is the real story ..
http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/2010/11/22/chinese-made-or-made-in-china/
On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Michael O'Rourke morco...@gmail.com wrote:
I think a builder in San Francisco was importing lutes from the Make
Superior Music Company in China. The
I noticed that the baroque lute has not been working .. it should be fixed now.
Wayne
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On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Jim Ammeson jimastr...@yahoo.com wrote:
So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now, but I've
had trouble finding places I can really try playing one or many people
I can talk to about them. (Lutes are a bit of a niche thing, I know
There is a picture in the National Gallery of Scotland of
a woman playing a theorbo, with the comment that she couldn't play,
she borrowed it for the painting, and then she didn't return it.
I didn't make a note of the details, but it was in a book catalog
of the museum.
Wayne
Begin forwarded
There is a web page at the Folger encouraging people (doing Shakespeare) to
Lose the Lute!
http://www.folger.edu/eduLesPlanDtl.cfm?lpid=748
can the LSA do anything to stop this?
Wayne
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Hi Ed -
He asked me the same question. I have never heard of Haldon Chase.
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Haldon Chase
Date: February 3, 2012 2:50:56 PM EST
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
I can reach it just fine, and I am away on vacation! I don't think it has been
down for more than three hours in the past month, due to power outages.
Wayne
On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:00 PM, nigelsolomon wrote:
Wayne's lutes for sale page has been down now for some time, anybody heard
Hi Brent -
I personally find the minor tuning of the baroque lute feels different
under my fingers, and I get confused by it! I find that renaissance lute,
guitar, ukulele, etc are related enough that I can easily switch between them,
but the baroque lute tuning throws me.
Wayne
On Jul 16
Me -
And someone is selling a banjo/lute on my lutes for sale page!
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html
Wayne
Hey, don't knock it -- the banjo is how I got to the lute in the first place!
Are there any other banjo/lutenists out there?
--
Catherine Arnott Smith, PhD
He people -
The lute mailing list got stuck this past weekend. It is running
again! Sorry for the trouble.
Wayne
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I have corrected the bourdons. The piece was entered by Peter Steur
back before computers regularly did midi. I am surprised that Goran
did not remember how to correct the tab version as he has contributed some
pieces to my collection.
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: G. Crona kalei
instruments that are more than 20 years old, and
customized or personalized musical instruments.
I believe that all theorbos are custom, or old. So be careful!
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: Nancy Carlin na...@nancycarlinassociates.com
The good things about Fed Ex are their tracking
Since this is becoming a computer discussion group I will that I have a g4
PowerBook running 10.5.8. It runs a cool lute tablature program, and also
plays mmidi's of lute tablature.
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com
Date: November 18, 2010 9:55:46 AM
Our library is having a crisis because the online resources cost the library a
lot lot
more than the old fashioned paper journals!
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
Date: November 11, 2010 9:20:30 PM EST
Things are increasingly turning
me know if you have troubles with it.
Wayne
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did fill out
the document, but UPS lost it. I faxed a replacement document to UPS and the
duty was apparently refunded. I say apparently because UPS actually
billed the college where I work, so it is possible that if the duty wasn't
refunded
the charges got lost somewhere.
Wayne
Begin
My program is a native mac application, but it runs in terminal windows, it is
not point and click.
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/AboutTab.html
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi
Wayne
On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:00 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote:
Are there any
inexpensive lutes? (I have not seen the
lute myself in person.)
Wayne
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list and the robot
does not want to send them multiple copies. I tried a quick and dirty
check to see how many baroque lute list members are also on the mail lute
list, but gave up because people's information on the two lists often
varies slightly.
Wayne
[Wayne, if you happen to read
you made it in
the
first place.
Good luck and don't hesitate to ask if the above is unclear,
David
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote:
Are there any users of Finale for Renaissance lute tablature out
In my opinion, its definitely not just in the brain. If I try
to play early in the morning, even after I've had my caffeine,
the fingers of both hands just don't work all that well. By the
afternoon the brain may be sluggish and in need of a nap, but the
fingers are warm and much more capable.
I am not a player of either theorbo or Baroque guitar. But I've heard
them in performances, and I've wondered how often the player has made
the choice for the guitar simply because that way there is a chance it
will be heard. Sometimes the number of string players is too large, or
Hi Gary -
I appreciate your good intentions, but it is best to not
forward any spam to the lute list, as many peoples mail servers
reject the message, and it could get my lute mail server
tagged as a spammer!
Wayne
This is not lute related, but I know there's an interest in these scams
let me know so I can take it off the
list, and save people the frustration of trying to
contact you about that instrument!
Wayne
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I am trying a new configuration - you don't need to reply.
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I have a lute, and the pegbox to neck joint has actually come unglued
but the pegbox stayed on the lute, and the lute still worked perfectly,
because of the way the mortice for the joint was cut. It looks like the
person who made your lute did not use the same shape for the joint!
Wayne
This is interesting. I'm heartened, in light of our recent discussion
that seemed to show the near lack of women composers in the past, that
2 of the 4 composers selected for this project were women.
I'm not really a fan of contemporary music, but I found 2 of the
compositions
. So this composer wrote the music
in staff notation, and left those decisions to the intabulator/performer.
Suzanne
-- Original message from Suzanne and Wayne
angevin...@att.net: --
This is interesting. I'm heartened, in light of our recent discussion
pieces,
those 2 are for you. If you prefer musical sounds themselves as the basis,
the the others. My 2 cents.
Suzanne
-- Original message from Suzanne and Wayne
angevin...@att.net: --
I listened to the videos of the performer talking about the 2 pieces
I mentioned
I hadn't thought of overtones. But this would explain why the more
tonal music actually sounds a lot better. Thanks for that thought.
Suzanne
-- Original message from Roman Turovsky
r.turov...@verizon.net: --
It seems that the richness of lute
From a female list reader:
I do not ask too many questions, but certainly I do read the posts!
On a variety of topics I think it is important for those who
actively participate to remember the *large* fraction of
people reading the list who never or rarely speak up. I
imagine that of the
There are certainly other forms of humor present on this list besides
American male high tech culture. For example, that of a lawyer
-- Original message from howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com:
--
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote
For starters, lets assume Mark meant women composers of lute music,
perhaps either living or historical. Occasionally, women performers
(of various instruments) will take up the theme of music written by
women.
For example, at the last major Lute Fest in Cleveland last year,
Elizabeth C. D.
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due to a computer crash - it will be back very soon.
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html
Wayne
August 29th, 2009
Dear Lutenists:
I seem to have lost the URL for Wayne Cripps Lute Page
Thanks to all of you who helped me find the pdf download button!
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For those of us who are German-challenged, how do you get to the pdf
page?
Wayne
On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Matteo Turri wrote:
The Bavarian State Library provides a number of digitizations of
sheet music
from its music department. I still didn't have the time to browse
them, but I
What Earl is trying to say is something like..
Dear All,
I am writing to announce the official release of my new solo CD -
NEUE
LAUTENFRUCHTE.
The recording took place in two renaissance churches in northern
Italy, on
a gut strung lute by Richard Berg with Gamut strings. The
What Earl is trying to say is something like..
Dear All,
I am writing to announce the official release of my new solo CD -
NEUE
LAUTENFRUCHTE.
The recording took place in two renaissance churches in northern
Italy, on
a gut strung lute by Richard Berg with Gamut strings. The
is
not human readable, but it has the pitch and duration information and so
might be best for analyzing melodies and looking for concordances.
It would also be interesting to apply noise reduction techniques to get
the basic melodies for comparison.
Wayne
On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Taco Walstra
You know, I used to run a ukulele mailing list, along with the lute
list,
but it sort of softly and silently faded away.. I suppose that I could
bring it back. Jim Belov's site seems to be the place for
uke discussions now. I have a nice Earnest soprano and a very cheap
baritone.
Wayne
Speaking of octave strings, what are the historical
references for it, especially the fourth string
in the early part of the sixteenth century?
Wayne
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Hi folks -
Since it is slow on the lute list, I am making some
changes to the robot that processes your messages.
I don't expect any trouble, but you never know.
If you think something is amiss let me know.
Wayne
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away.)
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There is nothing more to say
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
From: Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net
Date: April 21, 2009 4:15:38 PM EDT
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Is Anyone Out There??
Just checking--we went from lots of postings to virtually
none
When I look at these pictures, what strikes me is that in many of them
the rose is closer to the bridge than what I see in modern lute
replicas!
Wayne
May I remind all of you interested in that thread on hand position, that I
had
put up a couple of web pages with iconographical
Hello Valery -
Did you go to http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/page54/index.php
and ask Julia why?
Wayne
Subject: [LUTE] Thesis
the link [1]http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/ to
[2]English Lute Manuscripts and Scribes 1530-1630 by Julia
Craig-McFeeley; a study
You can see the pictures at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/kayla/InstrumentX002.jpg
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/kayla/InstrumentX004.jpg
I would say mandolin (from 1880 to 1920) ...poor thing!
Wayne
Forwarded message:
From: kayla clem kathyd...@yahoo.com
Subject: [LUTE
. And it is free. And you probably could use edlin too if you still
have a copy. Or emacs, or tico, or xedit or kate or even cat or dd if you
are crazy enough!
Wayne
A few years back, walking a dog with a friend, we were approached by an
oldish fellow, who started warning from about 50
As on who runs a lutes for sale web page, I heartily second this.
I would be happy to hear from anyone...seller, buyer, or unhappy
seeker, when a lute on my web page is sold!
Wayne
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html
Forwarded message:
Subject: [LUTE] After selling
From: Daniel Swenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Theorbo built by Michael Schreiner (Toronto) 1998 # 542 , after
Kaiser. 85 cm/ 165 cm string lengths. 27-ribbed Indian Rosewood
back. Triple Rose (inset rose, from an older top). Black Kingham
case. a similar instrument is pictured
Here is the lost message (Henning, try to send messages as
plain text rather than html if you can)
I always change the 1st and 2nd strings on my 10 course lute
when tuning down from vieil ton to the new
tunings. I put on some thicker
ones to compensate the loss of tension and an out -of -tune
Library
of Scotland. Geroge IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW, Scotland.
The good news is that I am currently working on Music in the
Flat Tuning, the bad news is that it is going very slowly.
Like maybe many years.
Wayne
I know that it says on your site that Music in the Sharp Tuning
Hi Folks -
This is a technical question for people who use my
tablature program TAB Would you be interested in
accessing the source via SVN? If you don't know
what SVN is, then that answer is no, so you don't
need to tell me anything.
Wayne
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Hi - I am forwarding this - please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
not to me. Wayne
A long time LSA member, since retiring from Wells College I have started a
businesshttp://www.elizabethanconversation.com/. While our main
product is Elizabethan Play Alongs (similar to Music Minus
Hi Martin -
The source file for the 08031.tab version of your music is very
strange indeed. It almost formats correctly when processed
with my program, but the source has a lot of extraneous x's
and the spacing is wierd. Is this the tab format output
from Fronimo?
Wayne
From
It is a clear sign that things aren't what they appear to be.
You would have to look at the subject line with a hex dump
program to see what I mean.
Wayne
What's wrong with the subject line?
RT
- Original Message -
From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
if your mistake means
that you have embarrassed yourself by posting a private
mesage to the list at large!
And you should realise that it is very bad manners to
forward someone's private message to the list without
getting their permission, for the same reason!
Wayne
To get on or off
at that at the moment.
Given that tab can output ascii tab it should not be hard to get
at least tab-seperated-values output, which most spreadsheets
can read.
Wayne
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!
Wayne
p.s. - tomorrow is Francesco Canova da Milano's
birthday! His wikipedia pages need a lot imore work.
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It seems that there is a block on attaching files, either that or my
computer is having 'one of those days'.
There is indeed a block against attachments. Too many people
were attaching viruses to their email a while back.
Wayne
Neil Woodhouse
To get on or off
My lute pages are completely accessable... nothing has changed.
There was a short interval when a server was down, but it
was very temporary. Still lots of good stuff at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi
Wayne
When the bridge came off my lute I took it to a well respected lute
repairman, and he did not have to take the top off! He used a
yellow glue instead of hide glue. He said it was stronger.
Wayne
From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question
Hi lute folks ...
I just changed the list server a little to tighten up
the anti-spam filtering. If you post something and it
doesn't show up after a few hours let me know!
Wayne
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to the strings, the
thumb out position, you may find you have to move your whole
hand to get the thumb to the upper voices, and that won't
be so comfortable!
Wayne
p.s. - as Sean said, the pinky is not planted - it just
rests lightly on the soundboard.
But what's driven me back to the list
. When playing a small instrument with
a plectrum, or even with fingers, the forearm is angled
low to hold the instrument.
Other web pages of old paintings of lute players tend
to not be arranged by the date, and so you may miss this
transition if you are not careful to look for it.
Wayne
is pictured in
a few places on Stephen Sandi's web site.
If you hear anything about these instruments please contact Ron!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wayne
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talk to AOL or change
services. I hope that the block goes away after a few
days, but I am prepared for the possibility that it doesn't.
Wayne
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successive Governments
of Nigeria have been drawn ARE the Scammers - therefore, victims
have little recourse in this matter.
Wayne
Has anyone else been receiving messages like the one copied below. This is
the third such message I have received and I wish it were legitimate
type questions.
Wayne
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Hi Tony -
My hint would be to try tab by mail - see the web page
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/AboutTab.html#tab-by-mail
Wayne
From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tab manual
I haven't used TAB for years, because of computer changes and things
Going from my faulty memory, I'd say its title in the Ballet
book is something like Staynes Morris. It is a morris
dance tune, too, if you play it a little faster.
Wayne
To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED
do so many people not want to get mail
from him?
Wayne
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.
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a lot
of what may bother a lute player up close gets lost when you
get further away from the instrument, and when there is either
the sound of other instruments or of people the edgy sound and
buzzing gets lost and only the bright tone cuts through.
Wayne
Wayne,
You bring up a few
the lute can be heard above the
ambient noise, from a distance, better than a
non-electric guitar can, if you use the right technique.
But that technique doesn't sound too good in the practice
room!
Wayne
--- gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I resolved
never to attend
I use string.. cotton or whatever.
Wayne
I would like to know from lutenists who use straps for
your instruments where you get them from. Do you use
generic guitar straps, or make your own, or is there a
supplier of straps that are specific to the lute?
Also, from you experience
On the other hand, Holmes was mentioned in a Doyle story as being interested
in the isorhythmic motets of Lassus. Or was it Tallis? I wonder if Doyle
himself actually knew anything about isorhythmic motets.
Jim
I remember that during the whole of that memorable day he lost
himself in a
Here is another request for a lute for a stage production, in Syracuse
(New York, USA, presumably) Contact Ronald Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if you can help him out.
Wayne
From: Ronald Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:33:27 -0400
Dear Mr. Cripps,
I got your name
How about
Masters of Polyphony Volume One: A Survey of 15th Century Music for
Renaissance Lute
Lyre Music Publications is pleased to announce the publication of Volume One of
Masters of Polyphony, a new series devoted to 15th century vocal music
intabulated for Renaissance lute.
to a
demand for vihuela songs, based on Castiglione's and other humanists' praise
of the genre.
Isn't there a CD out of all the vihuela music in color? Where can I
find the CD?
Wayne
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To be slightly more serious, there is a difference between
the time that a few 7c lutes were built, probably in a
forward thinking country like Italy, and the time that
7c lutes became the norm in a conservative place like England.
Wayne
From: garry bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED
Wayne Cripps [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Some selections are available on line at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Balcarres
another is available at http://cms.tslaute.de/Balcarres.pdf
and there is yet another obtainable from Seicento music
Mathias
Do you
Some selections are available on line at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Balcarres
W
Hi Lute netters
Anyone know where I might get the Balcarres Lute-Book or at least
selections for Baroque lute-d-minor tuning.
Thanks. Dick Brook
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Has anyone had frets that have a bad tone? I have (maybe two)
frets that I put on my lute recently that make the
strings thunk rather than ring. They don't seem
to buzz as low frets would on a guitar. Any ideas?
Wayne
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(hi - for technical reasons this did not go through
- be sure to reply directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
Announcing a solo recital and a master class:
The Annual McFarlane Weekend Lute Seminar of DC
in cooperation with
The Washington Conservatory of Music
present
UNCHARTED WATERS: NEW AND
I am forwarding this message - please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please, experts:
I'm newcomer in lute playing and I would make you a question: does your
little finger quits the top when playing with all the fingers (p,a,m,i)
specially when ring finger is used? It's the case for
David Fox has sent a message asking:
Does anyone know where I can find a reasonably simple, lively and relatively
short piece by John Johnson?
Thanks
David Fox
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. But I would also like to know if you
folk have more knowlege of the statistics of lute sales
than I do, new or used. Or perhaps better theories.
Wayne
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the guitar strings a
low tension) felt good to me. There wasn't much volume, nor
much in the way of a bass sound, but that is OK for me,
since I am not going to be playing this guitar for other
people.
Wayne
Dear Wayne,
I too have been thinking along the same lines
recently - sometimes
electric guitar, but somehow that just doesn't seem practical..
Wayne
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Tony Bagge wants a copy of the Manuscrit Vaudry de Saizenay -
if any of you have one for sale contact him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't reply to me - I already have one.
Wayne
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