> On May 26, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jacob Johnson wrote:
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> it does seem a bit strange to say that Now O Now could not possibly
> have been written prior to 1597.
Has anyone said that? Dowland’s preface says that most of his songs should be
“ripe enough by their age” to have achieved
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What is the current consensus on
You are right, in writing from memory I misquoted the year as '85
rather than '81. The fact remains that the Frogg Galliard appears in a
manuscript that was copied between 1588 and 1595 (between 9 and 2 years
earlier than the First Booke's publication) and in light of that fact
it
> On May 26, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Jacob Johnson wrote:
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> Thank you all for the information! It's a good point that attempts at
> courting Francis ended in 1585,
The man died in 1584.
> and that the First Booke was not
> published for another 15 years. Still, the Frogg Galliard appears in
>
I made a mistake in a recent post (yesterday, the poem I quoted from the
Musical Banquet is not by Dowland, but by Henry Lee (or Lea)... The
Goddess therefore seems to actually be Queen Liz (well deceased by the
time the Musical banquet was published). Another poem by Lee is found in
Dowland's
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> On May 26, 2019, at 1:48 AM, Alain Veylit wrote:
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> The negociations for Elizabeth to marry Francis finally failed in 1582, 15
> years before the First book of songes was published. There is no mention in
> "Now o Now" of how ugly Francis was (dwarfish, with severe scars from the
> small
One excerpt (lutes and are mentioned !) :
1580 Feb 21
172. COBHAM to the SECRETARIES.
On Saturday M. Gondi invited me in the Queen Mother's name to dine next
day at her house ; meaning to make a private banquet to the king, not
as King of France, but Henry her son and his wife.
Ambassador Cobham was charged with trying to arrange the marriage
between Elizabeth and the Duke of Anjou, and he reported regularly in
writing to Walsingham. His reports to Walsingham about this matter (and
many other things too of course) can be found in the Calendat of
State
The negociations for Elizabeth to marry Francis finally failed in 1582,
15 years before the First book of songes was published. There is no
mention in "Now o Now" of how ugly Francis was (dwarfish, with severe
scars from the small pox). I don't see how English poets of the time
could have
> On May 25, 2019, at 11:56 PM, Jacob Johnson wrote:
>
> Has anyone suggested that "Now O Now" and the Frogg Galliard might be
> in reference to Elizabeth's "on again, off again" courtship with
> Francis, Duke of Anjou?
Yes, anyone has suggested this. It comes up on this list from time
Has anyone suggested that "Now O Now" and the Frogg Galliard might be
in reference to Elizabeth's "on again, off again" courtship with
Francis, Duke of Anjou? After all, she called him her "frog".
Warmest Regards,
Jacob Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2019, 1:38 AM howard posner
On 26.05.2019 06:37, Alain Veylit wrote:
..
At a seminar I attended some years ago, Pat O'Brien made a plausible case that C
an She Excuse (which is based on the Earl of Essex galliard) is a veiled referen
ce to the relationship between Elizabeth and Robert, Earl of Essex. They were wi
dely
> On May 25, 2019, at 12:39 PM, guy_and_liz Smith wrote:
>
> At a seminar I attended some years ago, Pat O'Brien made a plausible case
> that Can She Excuse (which is based on the Earl of Essex galliard) is a
> veiled reference to the relationship between Elizabeth and Robert, Earl of
>
as accused of treason and executed.
Guy
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I get your point Tristan. Ann Boleyn might have disagreed with you
though regarding the status
I get your point Tristan. Ann Boleyn might have disagreed with you
though regarding the status of women in 16th century England. But I
guess you can add that to your list of evidence that Queen Liz was
really a guy :) And I found no evidence that Dowland's pining love songs
were even
On 25.05.19 20:00, Alain Veylit wrote:
Dude, you lived in a completely patriarchal society and you still
manage to blame her for torturing you! )
I knew it!!! Queen Elizabeth was a man!!!
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I remember reading somewhere (I can't remember where) that the lay-out
of the First Booke of Songes is remarkably similar to, not to say
identical with that of a manuscript source: BL 31390. A facsimile of
that source is available at [1]https://www.diamm.ac.uk/sources/1888/#/
It is
It is enough to click the Send button on a question to the lute list
for Google to bring you (some of) the answer one second later... It was
indeed the first.
"While he was in London, Dowland published his first collection of
music, The First Booke of Songes or Ayres of Foure
That's the best book I know about the song books, unfortunately in German, but
you could try to borrow it somewhere, I'm sure he writes also about the authors
of the poems:
What is the current consensus on the authorship of the verses in
Dowland's 1st book of songes (1597)? Any attributions to some one other
than Dowland himself?
Also, I'll take any information about the actual printing job: is it the
first example of the layout with lute + cantus on one page
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