Well, my example was really to show how tricky attribution is.
But you can dig a bit further.
In this case, you can go by the Grove, but the
Grove is not really an authoritative source in
that it is a secondary reference. Yes, we all
read it, but it is a bit like Trader Joe's as well.
The real
On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Arthur Ness wrote:
Where did Richafort find it?
In a registered letter from Henry VIII.
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On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Arthur Ness wrote:
Unless you
have some urge to talk about Leonardo da Vinci's wandering beard.
I just acquired such an urge, at least to the extent of understanding
the reference. What are we talking about?
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It is a favorite pastime to say pieces are really not by X,
and it is easy because, when you come right down to it,
in the renaissance there is no real way to prove anybody wrote anything.
People argue whether Shakespeare existed.
You can't go exclusively on attribution, because they are often
Is Pastyme with Good Companye really not by Henry the VIII? Excuse this
perhaps very silly question from a 17c-iste, but I always assumed it was
actually by the great man himself - although there could easily be new
information/finds/theories I am not aware of. I note however that the New
How amazing. I never noticed this before. But yes, Francesco's Richafort
De mon triste deplaisir (Ness 121) follows the melody of Pastyme right the
way through from beginning to end.
Anyone know the words of the Richafort? 'De mon triste deplaisir' seems a
long way away from 'Pastyme with good
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From: Peter Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fingering question/Pastyme with Good Companye
| How amazing. I never noticed this before. But yes,
Francesco's Richafort
| De mon
Well spotted Peter!!!
dt
At 02:46 AM 3/29/2008, you wrote:
How amazing. I never noticed this before. But yes, Francesco's Richafort
De mon triste deplaisir (Ness 121) follows the melody of Pastyme right the
way through from beginning to end.
Anyone know the words of the Richafort? 'De mon
: [LUTE] Re: Fingering question
| It is a favorite pastime to say pieces are really not by X,
| and it is easy because, when you come right down to it,
| in the renaissance there is no real way to prove anybody wrote
anything.
| People argue whether Shakespeare existed.
| You can't go exclusively
you gentleman's , you are so B O r i N g..
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you should discuss with each other via telephono..don't be exibionist
please .
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I rather enjoy learning more about the music I like. Maybe you should
join the Nintendo lute society where things move a little quicker. Or
start one where the insults move more to your taste.
Sean
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you should discuss with each other via telephono..don't be
Sean, I think we're just suffering a visit from Wowbagger the Infinitely
Prolonged. Once he has insulted everyone individually he will move on
On 29/03/2008, Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I rather enjoy learning more about the music I like. Maybe you should
join the Nintendo lute
. In the mean
time post something you might be interested in or--- is it that you really
have nothing to say?
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fingering question
:02 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fingering question
| It is a favorite pastime to say pieces are really not by X,
| and it is easy because, when you come right down to it,
| in the renaissance there is no real way to prove anybody wrote
anything.
| People argue whether Shakespeare existed.
| You can't go
Geez that was completely garbled. Obviously I need to adjust my meds,
what I meant was
I would never mean to imply that Arthur Ness' knowledge of anything
is less than truly stellar in all respects.
And also, the Francesco book is my favorite lute book.
dt
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(One issue with Francesco' 'La Compagna' is that the piece may
not really be his after all, coming from a much later source.)
ooo
Victor Coelho's theory was throughly
Dear Gernot,
The composer who has caused me the most concern over fingering is Fuenllana.
There are many instances where he could have made life easier for everyone.
I don't know if being blind was an issue here. I doubt it. What occurred to
me is that some odd fingerings could have resulted from
Dear Gernot:
I think we all wrestle with fingering questions such as the one you point out.
Another is in Francesco's 'La Compagna' where we must dash up and down the
fingerboard on the chanterelle, while it would be much easier to use a higher
position on a lower course.
I think the
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:15 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fingering question
Vance and All,
Here is the chord again, this time with the preceding measure and the rest
of its own measure
| f | f|
|---|--|
| | b|
|---|--|
| d
Vance wrote:
After rethinking my previous response I should have included that a lot
depends on what comes after and what preceeded it. Your fingering is
correct in most cases that I can imagine.
Vance,
You're quite correct. I will post the full measure the chord is in as well as
the
Vance and All,
Here is the chord again, this time with the preceding measure and the rest
of its own measure
| f | f|
|---|--|
| | b|
|---|--|
| d | |
|---|--|
| c | d|
|---|--|
| a |d |
|---|--|
| | b|
|---|--|
Actually the two preceding
, November 06, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fingering question
At 05:45 PM 11/6/2005, Mathias Rösel wrote:
if 5 is your LH pinky and 3 is middle finger, I should say yes. And
remember to get you the small axe with no more than 50 cm vibrating
string length, so as to be able to do it :)
Yes, 5
|f
|-
|b
|-
|
|-
|d
|-
|
|-
|b
|-
Would it be common to barre across the b fret and then use 5 for the first
course and 3 for the fourth? I think that's the only way I'd be able to do
it with my small stretch.
if 5 is your LH pinky and 3 is middle finger, I should say yes. And
At 05:45 PM 11/6/2005, Mathias Rösel wrote:
if 5 is your LH pinky and 3 is middle finger, I should say yes. And
remember to get you the small axe with no more than 50 cm vibrating
string length, so as to be able to do it :)
Yes, 5 is the LH pinky and 3 is the middle finger. And thanks, the next
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