The Lute Society's recent Lutezine 126 contains about 27 pictures of
historic lute players, of whom about 0 are playing with a strap.
Should I simply throw away my new 'Capirola' lute strap, which arrived
in the post this week? It's very pretty, but if no-one ever used
Dear list,
Let me share with you a new store where you can find lute straps.
[1]www.la-rossignol.com
Each strap is completely handcrafted and also named after an great lute
composers, such as Vicenzo Capirola, Francesco Corbetta, Alonso Mudarra
or John Dowland, among others
All the advice and the pictures help a lot! Thank you Ned, Suzanne and
Jim! I haven't even gotten it fully tuned up yet, because I was so
worried it would slip off my lap while I was fooling with the tuner.
Here's my plan, I'll post some pictures and let you know how it works
out. I
Hello,
I just ordered a lute strap for my soon-to-come liuto attiorbato from
José Antonio Ahumada in France. This was very difficult because the
chello.fr email I had did not work. However I managed to phone him
(merci Philippe) and his new email is:
m.ahumadacas...@numericable.com
He
Dear lutenists,
I have a problem. I am looking for a strap which is suitable for my
instruments (theorbo, baroque lute, 8-c, vihuela and baroque guitar). I have
used several straps in the past but somehow they haven't been suitable for
lutes; either too slippery, difficult to adjust when moving
Yes, very nice indeed. This is what I was looking for.
Thank you Anthony!
Jaroslaw
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From: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:20 PM
To: Lute Net
Subject: [LUTE] lute-straps
Dear All
In a previous message I mentioned that here
I would like to know from lutenists who use straps for
your instruments where you get them from. Do you use
generic guitar straps, or make your own, or is there a
supplier of straps that are specific to the lute?
Also, from you experience are there particular types
of material that are preferable,
On May 4, 2006, at 12:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question: Wouldn't hanging your lute from a button
scratch the heck out of the back of your instrument?
Even if it doesn't move around alot, I would think the
finish at the contact point would get very worn.
I would
I use string.. cotton or whatever.
Wayne
I would like to know from lutenists who use straps for
your instruments where you get them from. Do you use
generic guitar straps, or make your own, or is there a
supplier of straps that are specific to the lute?
Also, from you experience
On Aug 24, 2006, at 5:19 AM, Jason Ferry wrote:
I would like to know from lutenists who use straps for
your instruments where you get them from. Do you use
generic guitar straps, or make your own, or is there a
supplier of straps that are specific to the lute?
Also, from you experience are
I do the same... A nice silk strap in whatever color I can find. And I
sit on the tail of it, as Hopkinson Smith does. It greatly help stability.
Luca
Wayne Cripps on 24/08/2006 14.25 wrote:
I use string.. cotton or whatever.
Wayne
I would like to know from lutenists who use
Ed,
Wow, this is from a while ago. Anyway, my
interpretation of the hanging from a button
technique was that there was a very taught piece of
gut stretched across the actual surface of the back of
the lute, which then sat on a button from your coat.
Maybe I'm completely wrong about
Chris et al,
I'm going to take a chance and cut to the chase. All arcane and archaic
solutions aside, a good and wide guitar strap hanging from proper strap
buttons at the end cap and under the extreme forward end of the body is a
most secure and comfortable solution. I've tried lap chamois,
At 10:38 AM 8/24/2006, Rob Dorsey wrote:
I'm going to take a chance and cut to the chase. All arcane and archaic
solutions aside, a good and wide guitar strap hanging from proper strap
buttons at the end cap and under the extreme forward end of the body is a
most secure and comfortable solution.
Jason,
I decided to try a strap at Paul Beier's suggestion. I went to a few
Goodwill stores in the area and finally found a 1.75 (40mm) wide black
lightweight leather belt. I cut the ends and put one large hole w/ a
slit in it to snugly go over the peg. I put two holes in the other to
run a
On Aug 24, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Bernd Haegemann wrote:
A very good and romantic method is stealing it from a teacher.
I did it during a summer school in the Tchech republic.
A very wonderful teacher (and player) gave me her strap to try it
for some
days, I went home without returning it to
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From: Peter W Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
Be prepared for a rather baffling description:
For my 8-course lute, I use just a longish length of broad ribbon which I
bought for about 50p
I sometimes use a very satin like ribbon. Works very well.
ed
At 03:29 PM 8/24/2006 +0200, Luca Manassero wrote:
I do the same... A nice silk strap in whatever color I can find. And I
sit on the tail of it, as Hopkinson Smith does. It greatly help stability.
Luca
Wayne Cripps on 24/08/2006
: [LUTE] Re: Body pain (was Re: lute straps)
I actually used something called a TotalGym (http://www.totalgym.com/), and
the exercises I did are peculiar to that device. This site has what looks to be
a decent set of rotator cuff strength and stretching exercises that don't
require much
: Re: Body pain (was Re: [LUTE] Re: lute straps)
And of course I mis-typed the link, try:
http://www.triggerpointbook.com
Sorry for the clutter.
Eric
On May 3, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Eric Liefeld wrote:
Dear Stephen,
I was going to reply privately, but I'll broadcast here in the
hope
PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Body pain (was Re: lute straps)
My thanks to all who responded with their stories and suggestions. In
particular:
1. Eric, thank you for the book recommendation. I have ordered it and am
anxiously looking forward to receiving it and working with it.
2. Sandy
--- guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A lot of folks, myself included, attach their straps
like that, and this is
the first I've heard of anyone having any problems
with the neck joint.
From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute
, May 06, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps (genuinely about straps and lutes)
A lot of folks, myself included, attach their straps like that, and this
is
the first I've heard of anyone having any problems with the neck joint.
From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute net
6:32 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps (genuinely about
straps and lutes)
A lot of folks, myself included, attach their
straps like that, and this
is
the first I've heard of anyone having any problems
with the neck joint.
From: bill kilpatrick
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To: lute net
: lute straps
Vance-
I wonder if you have seriously experimented with playing this this
way? If you can stand big downloads, I will happily turn an old
recording of me playing F Da Milano (Ness 33) with just such a
technique, into an MP3, and send it to you (or anyone who is
interested
i screwed one of those strap pegs into the butt end of
my oud, made a leather strap with leather thong to
attach it to the peg box and i have to say it looked
ok - comfortable too - but i just pulled it all off
again.
the weakest point on an oud - i presume it's also for
a lute - is where the
A lot of folks, myself included, attach their straps like that, and this is
the first I've heard of anyone having any problems with the neck joint.
From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps (genuinely about straps and lutes)
Date
I suspect his other 4-5 Haydn sonata (sightread) would have been just as
mediocre as sightread music usually is.
Hi all,
I strongly agree with Roman of his comment below!
Arto
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Hmmm.. Tab may be hard to memorize (don't know - never tried), but
HAs it ever occurred to you that all orchestral (and most small-ensemble)
music is sightread, always?
And all them mediocre blues are played from memory, ain't they?
RT
I suspect his other 4-5 Haydn sonata (sightread) would have been just as
mediocre as sightread music usually is.
Hi all,
In an orchestra the players are acting as a sequencer and their job is to
reproduce the written music accurately. The musical value comes from the
conductor - who usually has the score in front of him, but, if he's any
good, he doesn't actually need it. That's why experiments with
conductorless
Doctor Oakroot wrote:
In an orchestra the players are acting as a sequencer and their job is
to
reproduce the written music accurately. The musical value comes from
the
conductor
Don't tell that to the principal wind players.
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On May 5, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
HAs it ever occurred to you that all orchestral (and most small-
ensemble)
music is sightread, always?
Good point, but the job of an orchestral player is not to be an
interpreter, but rather to be a part of a larger whole. The
conductor
HAs it ever occurred to you that all orchestral (and most small-
ensemble)
music is sightread, always?
Good point, but the job of an orchestral player is not to be an
interpreter, but rather to be a part of a larger whole. The
conductor is the one who is allowed to interpret the music.
Not
I wouldn't even tell that to my sister (She's been principle second violin
in a couple of pro orchestras), lol. But the slavish adherence to the
written note was a significant reason for me for leaving classical (in the
broad sense) music.
Doctor Oakroot wrote:
In an orchestra the players are
In an orchestra the players are acting as a sequencer and their job is to
reproduce the written music accurately. The musical value comes from the
conductor - who usually has the score in front of him, but, if he's any
good, he doesn't actually need it. That's why experiments with
Vance-
I wonder if you have seriously experimented with playing this this
way? If you can stand big downloads, I will happily turn an old
recording of me playing F Da Milano (Ness 33) with just such a
technique, into an MP3, and send it to you (or anyone who is
interested)! If you know the
Howard-
I'm not sure that the iconographic evidence can be dismissed so
lightly. The lute was perhaps the principle solo instrument of this
period, and both painters and patrons (and even many artists models!)
would have known what good lute technique looked like. And some
models were
-time reader though infrequent contributor to this list, I
was on the
verge of posting a related topic when Katherine initiated the
thread on lute
straps, a thread that I have followed with great interest.
Primarily from using a computer keyboard and mouse, I had developed
under my
right
: A Bohemian Artist in England
by Richard T. Godfrey
Yale Univ Press 1994
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From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:43:02 +0100
Subject: [LUTE] Lute straps
Dear Craig and Katherine
Hmmm.. Tab may be hard to memorize (don't know - never tried), but music
isn't, lol. IMO, if you need to read to play in performance you don't know
the music and you might as well just program it into a sequencer (which
can read it much more accurately than you can).
Dear Stewart and list,
The
Hmmm.. Tab may be hard to memorize (don't know - never tried), but music
isn't, lol. IMO, if you need to read to play in performance you don't know
the music and you might as well just program it into a sequencer (which
can read it much more accurately than you can).
Lute music is not exactly
Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
Dear Lute List,
A long-time reader though infrequent contributor to this list, I was on
the
verge of posting a related topic when Katherine initiated the thread on
lute
To all:
I had sent to a few members of this list a scanned image of a very
interesting 17th C. print etching by the artist Wenceslaus Hollar, a Bohemian
artist
who worked in London, of a young lutenist sitting very upright holding a
double headed lute which is attached by either a single
largely
eliminated the problem. Not necessarily the solution to every shoulder
problem, but it's something that you should consider.
Guy
From: Eric Liefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Body pain (was Re: lute straps)
Date: Wed, 3 May
]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Body pain (was Re: lute straps)
Another possible contributing factor to shoulder pain is strength (or lack
thereof). The shoulder joint depends in a big way on the muscles of the
rotator cuff
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
Date: 4 May 2006 06:18:55 BDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Katherine
It is quite easy to play a typical six course lute standing up
without any sort of strap, but one needs to rethink the technique
used
open the door to higher standards of
performance.
Best wishes,
Denys
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From: Eric Liefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:09 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Body pain (was Re: lute straps)
Dear
Thanks for that Denys. I too follow AT with interest, though I have
no local practitioner to work with. I was fortunate to have a class
with
Jacob Heringman at an LSA seminar, a couple summers ago. It
was a great experience. Interestingly, I asked him about chronic pain
and he indicated that
Hi all,
I strongly agree with Roman of his comment below!
Arto
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Hmmm.. Tab may be hard to memorize (don't know - never tried), but music
isn't, lol. IMO, if you need to read to play in performance you don't know
the music and you might as well
Martin Eastwell wrote:
The pictures show that left hand
technique in the 16th century was often very like that used by modern
folk and rock guitarists, with the neck cradled between the base of
the 1st finger and the thumb, and so supporting the neck without any
need for a strap.
The
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
Martin Eastwell wrote:
The pictures show that left hand
technique in the 16th century was often very like that used by modern
folk and rock guitarists, with the neck cradled between
On May 4, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
The pictures show that painters' models held lutes that way. I'm not
sure what they tell us about actual players.
Absolutely. They were posing with the lute as a prop. In order to
be doing something, some of them would be portrayed tuning
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Sent: 02 May 2006 18:03
To: Katherine Davies; lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
Believe or not, Katherine, even today there is some Spanish flamenco
guitarists that play guitar standing up without any strap (rather for
playing while singing). I used renaissance lute
on the right hip bone. I have used it
myself
this way. However, the shape of the lute does not commend itself to this
method!
Nick
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From: Juan Fco. Prieto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 18:03
To: Katherine Davies; lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute
Dear Manolo and Katherine,
Mouton's coat certainly gives him the choice of several buttons to
hook his lute on.
One important factor not mentioned so far in this discusison, is how
people sat to play the lute. When this was discussed on the Italian
Lute Net in January 2004, I made the point that
Dear Stewart and list,
The quote from the Burwell lute Book brings up another topic here:
performing lute music in concert by memory. I've read the argument
that tablature is difficult to memorize...who knows?
Do you prefer to have the tablature always in front of you?
Personally, I'm
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From: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:18 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute straps
Dear Stewart and list,
The quote from the Burwell lute Book brings up another topic here:
performing lute
Dear Lute List,
A long-time reader though infrequent contributor to this list, I was on the
verge of posting a related topic when Katherine initiated the thread on lute
straps, a thread that I have followed with great interest.
Primarily from using a computer keyboard and mouse, I had
though infrequent contributor to this list, I
was on the
verge of posting a related topic when Katherine initiated the
thread on lute
straps, a thread that I have followed with great interest.
Primarily from using a computer keyboard and mouse, I had
developed under my
right shoulder
There are lots of renaissance pictures of people
playing lutes while standing up without any sign of a
strap. Does anyone do this? Any ideas on how - or if -
it could be done?
I'm not having a go at strap-users; I'm just a bit
puzzled - I have enough trouble keeping the thing in
place when I'm
Katherine Davies wrote:
There are lots of renaissance pictures of people
playing lutes while standing up without any sign of a
strap. Does anyone do this? Any ideas on how - or if -
it could be done?
I'm not having a go at strap-users; I'm just a bit
puzzled - I have enough trouble keeping the
On May 2, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Craig Allen wrote:
Ive tried playing the lute standing up without a strap and it's
very difficult for me. So I prefer to sit with a piece of suede
across my knee to keep the lute from slipping.
Me too. I find it difficult to play standing up, in fact I even
: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
On May 2, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Craig Allen wrote:
Ive tried playing the lute standing up without a strap and it's
very difficult for me. So I prefer to sit with a piece of suede
across my knee to keep the lute from slipping.
Me
that be the original Air Lute? I'm sorry I just couldn't
resist this one.
Vance Wood.
- Original Message -
From: David Rastall
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
On May 2, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Craig Allen wrote:
Ive tried playing the lute standing up without
in the 1st part of joseph baldassare's playing the
lute in medieval europe article (lute news 69 - 2004)
he states:
... predominating evidence shows late-medieval
european luters standing without a strap on their
lutes. this is especially true prior to the 15th
cent. in the 15th cent.,
Believe or not, Katherine, even today there is some Spanish flamenco
guitarists that play guitar standing up without any strap (rather for
playing while singing). I used renaissance lute in this way, but I must to
recognise that the strap is more confortable... but not indispensable. I
have strap
@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute straps
Katherine Davies wrote:
There are lots of renaissance pictures of people
playing lutes while standing up without any sign of a
strap. Does anyone do this? Any ideas on how - or if -
it could be done?
I'm not having
Hi,
There was a system where a string went between the lute's body and the
player's body, ie on the side of the ribs, and tied to the lute on two
buttons, one where usual, the other on the opposite side. This string
was used to 'hang' the instrument from one of the buttons belonging to
the
Very, very interesting. Could you please find the reference to this
article in Early Music?
Thank you,
Luca
Stewart McCoy on 02/05/2006 18.43 wrote:
Dear Craig and Katherine,
An alternative to using a strap, which was used in the 17th Century,
is to tie a gut string between two pegs on
] Re: Lute straps
I think this is the article:
Robert Spencer 'How to Hold a Lute: Historical Evidence from Paintings',
Early Music, Vol. 3, No. 4.
(Oct., 1975), pp. 352-354.
Thanks to everyone who has replied with such useful information!
Katherine Davies
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Onderwerp: [LUTE] lute straps
Here's a bit of evidence for the historic accuracy of straps:
http://www.mit.edu/~thrasher/images/dc/funky_lute.jpg Looks like an
orangeish strap to me. Granted most re
Here's a bit of evidence for the historic accuracy of straps:
http://www.mit.edu/~thrasher/images/dc/funky_lute.jpg Looks like an orangeish
strap to me. Granted most re-enactors are re-enacting from earlier periods so
they might not consider that painting evidence of earlier strap use.
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