Re: Airs de Cour

2004-02-12 Thread Thomas Schall
Oh yes Gordon! I was visitor at a diploma recital in Zurich recently. She has the perfect pitch. The good thing for her was: she could just starting to sing without a note given by piano or harpsichord. Her program changed between A=415 for Purcell and other early music (I really liked the parts

Re: Airs de Cour

2004-02-12 Thread David Rastall
Dear Stewart, You are absolutely a mine of information! I enjoy reading your postings because I know that even after my 24 years of luteplaying, I can stll learn something new from them. ...I'm sorry to be so predictable on the we've discussed it before. Part of me says, Don't say that,

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2004-02-12 Thread Wayne Cripps
Hi - so there are questions about using jello as glue... well here is my experience based on gluing the bridge back on a cheap ukulele and gluing the peg box back on my lute.. 1) using hide glue is tricky, try it on scrap wood until you get the feel for it. 2) this discussion really

Re: Airs de Cour - transposing the voice

2004-02-12 Thread Gordon J. Callon
And Gordon, with no insult to your intelligence intended, I think your professor at McGill (my father's alma mater) had perfect relative pitch rather than perfect pitch. Just the fact that you say it was tunable. Actually Bruce does have perfect pitch, because he can write down by ear most

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2004-02-12 Thread Steve Ramey
Wayne, Lots of guys set up a low budget rig whereby they direct the flame from the torch into and through a piece of 2 pipe 8 - 12 long. Mostly this is used as a bending iron to aid in bending wood for instrument ribs. With a little prior planning, it keeps the flame away from anything that

Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Herbert Ward
I've noticed several Dowland pieces with titles honoring governmental and military figures (the Earl of Essex, a naval admiral, etc.). The dedications strike the modern taste as greasy -- none of us would compose a marching band piece (much less a lute piece) personally to a distant military or

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread corun
Herbert wrote: I've noticed several Dowland pieces with titles honoring governmental and military figures (the Earl of Essex, a naval admiral, etc.). The dedications strike the modern taste as greasy -- none of us would compose a marching band piece (much less a lute piece) personally to a

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Herbert Ward
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond the pale. We seem to agree that it's done less frequently today than in the past, and that is enough for

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond the pale. We seem to agree that it's done less frequently today than in the past, and that is enough for my purposes. You think dedicating a piece

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread David Rastall
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 01:47 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: I've noticed several Dowland pieces with titles honoring governmental and military figures (the Earl of Essex, a naval admiral, etc.). The dedications strike the modern taste as greasy -- none of us would compose a marching

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread David Rastall
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 02:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond the pale. I guess nowadays people have high schools named after them rather

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Thomas Schall
Am Don, 2004-02-12 um 21.33 schrieb Roman Turovsky: According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond the pale. We seem to agree that it's done less frequently today than in the past, and

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond the pale. We seem to agree that it's done less frequently today than in the past, and that is enough for my purposes. You think dedicating a piece to

Re: Airs de Cour - transposing the voice

2004-02-12 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Wow! The question is whether this is a blessing or a curse... Stephan Am 12 Feb 2004 um 11:41 hat Gordon J. Callon geschrieben: And Gordon, with no insult to your intelligence intended, I think your professor at McGill (my father's alma mater) had perfect relative pitch rather than

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Joe Mayes
It seems to me that we often make the mistake of judging activities in other cultures as though they were taking place in out own. Remember, Elizabethan England was a police state - I think I would have spent most of my time saying things like, yes, Boss. A little toadying can certainly be

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Thomas Schall
Of course you are right, but it seems to be fact that until the world wars politics used music to demonstrate their support for culture. This now seems to have been become unpopular. On the other hand during election campaigns Rock stars are very much asked by politicians. Just something I'm

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Howard Posner
Herbert Ward at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed several Dowland pieces with titles honoring governmental and military figures (the Earl of Essex, a naval admiral, etc.). How does one explain this striking difference in taste? Does a monarchist mindset produce such servility? Perhaps

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
So the answer to your question of how to account for this difference in taste is that taste has little to do with it. The political and social reality has changed. Most of us are raised with the idea that everyone is equal. In Dowland's time, such an assertion might have been construed as

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Vance Wood
Dear Herbert: The pieces in question were written at a time when professional musicians had patrons. The higher placed the patron/employer the greater the income. In Dowland's case he circulated around people who were high placed at court in an effort to get an appointment as one of the Queen's

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Thomas Schall
Yes - and they were obsessed therefore ... Although Howard's post is acurate as ever I'm not sure if I would like to follow him this time telling artists servile. If you read what has survived from them I'm very sure they were very self confident as artists and to a certain degree as

Vihuela?

2004-02-12 Thread Leonard Williams
At the website Wayne led us to for information on hide glue, I found the folowing reference to what is being called at the site The World's Oldest Guitar. Anybody have anymore useful information about this critter? http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/History/Diaz1590/diaz1590.html Regards

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Howard Posner
Roman Turovsky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of us are raised with the idea that everyone is equal. In Dowland's time, such an assertion might have been construed as treason. Didn't Quakers professed such a treasonous belief? Something like it, and they drew a lot of heat for it. The

RE: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Scott Saari
Thomas, On the other hand during election campaigns Rock stars are very much asked by politicians. True. In fact, Steven Stills performed to presumably warm up the audience for John Kerry in Phoenix about a week ago on primary day. Fortunately his gorgeous-sounding Martin guitar drowned out

Triumphs of Oriana

2004-02-12 Thread Stewart McCoy
Does anyone know a website where I may download all the words of the madrigals from _The Triumphs of Oriana_ (London, 1601)? Stewart McCoy.

Airs de Cour - transposing the voice (in English song)

2004-02-12 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Gordon, Many thanks for mentioning these English manuscripts, which confirm that the practice of writing transposing parts for the singer was still common in 17th-century England (c. 1630). Coincidentally my facsimile of Ob Mus. Sch. f. 575 was sitting on the table immediately behind me as

Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Thomas, I think Herbert Ward's Greasy is the wrong word. There is nothing wrong with a bit of respect within the conventions of one's society. Greasy implies excessive and inappropriate servility, as with Dickens' Uriah Heep. Dowland and others were servile, because they had to be to

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread David Rastall
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 06:32 PM, Thomas Schall wrote: Nevertheless the individal did not had the importance it has today and therefore artists of the renaissance would have seen their social and intellecutal role very different to what we are used to seeing it today. Well, yes

Re: Airs de Cour - transposing the voice (in English song)

2004-02-12 Thread David Rastall
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 08:25 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: ...The 2nd fret on the 1st course of my lute vibrates to give a'=440. It will vibrate 440 times per second, whether I call it a' on a G lute, b' on an A lute, or e' on a bass lute in D. So if you tune your G lute down a

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Jon Murphy
A matter of manners as well as position. If you look at letters between peers (equals) of the 18th and 19th century you will see them signed with phrases like your humble and obediant servant (usually abbreviated). To view the conventions of the past with the eyes of the present is always a

Re: Elizabethan pieces for gov. figures.

2004-02-12 Thread Gordon J. Callon
Regarding the titles of pieces that are addressing the names of various nobility: I assume that some such titles are intended to be simple literal descriptions. Many surviving dances and other pieces were originally composed for various masques and other entertainments that occupied much of

Ob Broxbourne 84.9 [was: Airs de Cour - transposing the voice (in English song)]

2004-02-12 Thread Gordon J. Callon
Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Please could you tell us a little bit more about Ob Broxbourne 84.9. It is not included in the Garland facsimile series, and I was unaware of its existence. .. Ob Broxbourne 84.9 is a manuscript that I found, or rather Peter Ward Jones showed to me after

Ob Broxbourne 84.9 [was: Airs de Cour - transposing the voice (in English song)]

2004-02-12 Thread Gordon J. Callon
Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Please could you tell us a little bit more about Ob Broxbourne 84.9. It is not included in the Garland facsimile series, and I was unaware of its existence. .. Ob Broxbourne 84.9 is a manuscript that I found, or rather Peter Ward Jones showed to me after

Re: Do pegs get smooth and begin slipping?

2004-02-12 Thread Jon Murphy
Roman, OSHA is not very good at what they do. I await the study (probably from Canada) that says that too much oxygen is toxic in rats. A toxin is specifically a poison, as in snake venom. Then there are the substances that are poisonous yet may be useful in low doses for certain conditions, such