Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Ed Durbrow
At 5:47 PM -0800 03/11/23, Christopher Schaub wrote: Has anyone put together scale studies for the ren lute? I used to practice my scales on guitar quite a bit, but it doesn't seem as common for lutenists? I couldn't find anything on Google! Anyway, it would really be nice to see some historical

ivory in lutes

2003-11-24 Thread Ed Durbrow
At 9:01 AM + 03/11/23, Sandi Harris Stephen Barber wrote: The rosewood was an attempt to get near to the sound that ivory produces, using a hard material, which is of course always very beautifully-veined and figured, as well as sounding well I was just talking with a bagpipe player about

Re: fretted ud ?

2003-11-24 Thread Jon Murphy
Shakespeare said it. What's in a name? That which we call a rose/ By any other name would smell as sweet; On the whole every instrument we know has been invented in every culture (I think the Australian aborigine Digereedoo may be an exception). The wind instruments start with the willow whistle

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Thomas Schall
Hi! there are studies in Diane Poultons Tutot for the lute (Schott) and I think the english lute society has published some a while ago in a supplement of their lute news. Best wishes Thomas Am Mon, 2003-11-24 um 02.47 schrieb Christopher Schaub: Has anyone put together scale studies for the

Re: ornaments in Board

2003-11-24 Thread Martin Shepherd
- Original Message - From: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2003 19:52 Subject: Re: ornaments in Board Dear Stewart: Thank you for your observations and understanding of this issue not to mention the time and effort it took to figure

Re: fretted ud ?

2003-11-24 Thread drebuffa
Dear Michael, I also have the CD by Ergin Kizilay: ud Taksimleri. Did you listen to it? of course it is an unfretted 'ud because there is no way to play turkish or arab music with frets. I was also surprised when I saw the photo of a fretted 'ud on the back cover, but look at the picture of the

Re: fretted ud ?

2003-11-24 Thread Michael Stitt
Dear Davide, Okay I take your point and appreciate your detailed reply. I'm impressed by the depth of your knowledge too. Sincere best regards, Michael Stitt drebuffa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, I also have the CD by Ergin Kizilay: ud Taksimleri. Did you listen to it? of

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Chris, Fortunately we lutenists do not learn scales as other instrumentalists do. Why do other musicians practise scales? 1) technical reasons - to get the fingers of both hands moving correctly; 2) musical reasons - to learn about keys and harmony. If one's aim is the first, it would be

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Doc Rossi
Hi Chris, You should have a look at Andrea Damiani's Renaissance Lute Tutor; it includes a number of scale studies. I translated it into English but have no commercial interest in it -- I just think it's a wonderful book. Doc

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread WIWO
dear chris, at the end of the siena lutebook are some exercises in different modes, they are called fantasias (if i remember right) but they are pure scale exercises. w.

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
Try Francesco's La Campagna. :-) Or, at a beginner level: Ein gut preambel by H. Newsidler published by the Lute Society. Honestly, there are hundreds of scales built into pieces. Why not just take those extracts and practice them? Or, make your own up? Indeed, it was Glenn Gould's opinion

Re: ornaments in Board

2003-11-24 Thread Martin Shepherd
- Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2003 06:24 Subject: Re: ornaments in Board I believe the + sign is a fall, usually a forefall (note below to main note) or a double forefall

Re: ivory in lutes

2003-11-24 Thread Miles Dempster
T. Satoh had an ivory-backed baroque lute made by an Ottawa maker. Miles Dempster On Monday, November 24, 2003, at 02:31 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: At 9:01 AM + 03/11/23, Sandi Harris Stephen Barber wrote: The rosewood was an attempt to get near to the sound that ivory produces, using a

Re: fretted ud ?

2003-11-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
The turkish 'ud has never been fretted. same is for any idan from Morocco to Iraq. The only fretted lute they havein Turkey is the Lauta which is different and has a longer neck and different tuning. Turkish Lauta [actually a regional item from Aegean islands and western Anatolia] is a

Instrument Archaeology [was: fretted ud ?]

2003-11-24 Thread G.R. Crona
Dear Jon, you're wondering into deep OT-land here, bringing up the Didgeridoo. (If the Aborigenes of Australia are indeed (like I like to theorize) the last surviving descendants of the Neanderthaalers, their instruments might be the oldest ones we have. The musical bow, is the simplest of

Re: ivory in lutes

2003-11-24 Thread Edward Martin
Yes, Toyohiko Satoh has an ivory lute; it is a Burkholtzer by Ruchard Berg. It is identical to my Berg Burkholtzer, with exception that the back on my lute is Brazilian rosewood. I think the wooden back sounds much nicer than the ivory backed lute. ed At 08:34 AM 11/24/03 -0500, Miles

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread chriswilke
Lutes, Is there any survey of how Ren, and Baroque musicians practiced their technique? In other words, is there even much surviving literature that addresses this the way that modern methods do? It seems like a lot of the repertoire that we play on the lute today actually comes from

Picture of Widhalm

2003-11-24 Thread Michael Thames
Greetings everyone, I'm hoping that someone out there might have a photo of the = original Leopold Widhalm 1755 Mi903, that I could post on my new = website. Thanks Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com --

string spacing

2003-11-24 Thread Ken Brodkey
Hello, I'm back to lute making after a very long absence and would like to get people's opinions about string spacing, both at the nut and bridge. Is there anything even close to a standard? I'm looking for spacing recommendations for everything from 6 courses to 13. What works for you? You're

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear lutenists, in his Hortus Musicalis Novus (Argentorati (=Strassburg), 1615) Elias Mertel has lots of more or less pedagogical material, also for scales. The first part (Praeludia) is especially useful: See for example pieces no. 1, 13, 31, 65, 72, 73, 78, 88, 89, 95, 109, 135, 138, 142,

John Wilson

2003-11-24 Thread chriswilke
Dear Listenists, Does anyone know if the theorbo music of John Wilson is available anywhere? I'm particularly interested in the series of pieces in each key. Also, can this music be played on a big Italian theorbo (chittarone)? Thanks in advance, Chris Wilke

Re: John Wilson

2003-11-24 Thread Dr. Gordon J. Callon
There is a recent edition: John Wilson, Thirty Preludes in All (24) Keys for Lute: Facsimile and Transcription of the Manuscript Oxford, Bodleian Library, Mus. B. 1. Edited by Matthew Spring (DP 49) (Houten, The Netherlands: The Diapason Press, 1997). See:

FW: Instrument Archaeology [was: fretted ud ?]

2003-11-24 Thread Ron Fletcher
G'day you beauts... Goran wrote: What about a duet for lute and Didgeridoo anyone? Yes, I think it could work. IMHO, the didgeridoo is a woodwind instrument. The players lips are the original 'reed' and with 'circular-breathing' you have a thorough-(sp?)-bass with which to add your

Scale Exercise

2003-11-24 Thread Leonard Williams
Scale Execies for Renaissance Lute (1998) Karen Meyers 232 Dupont St. Philadelphia, PA 19127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This includes scales in the commonly encountered keys of F, C, Bb and G major in a variety of division-like arrangements. When I got mine a few years ago, it was $20 US plus $2

Re: string spacing

2003-11-24 Thread Vance Wood
Hi Ken: I have been building Lutes as a hobby for a while so I am no expert, so I too am hoping to reap the rewards of this post. However, logic tells me two things. The courses have to be close enough together to make them playable and the individual strings have to be far enough apart so that

Re: John Wilson

2003-11-24 Thread Howard Posner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the theorbo music of John Wilson is available anywhere? I'm particularly interested in the series of pieces in each key. Also, can this music be played on a big Italian theorbo (chittarone)? Thanks in advance, All the solo

Re: Scale Exercise

2003-11-24 Thread Daniel Shoskes
Hi All: Not meaning to be rude or condescending but has anyone thought of intabulating their own scale exercises. Just putting them together would be a good exercise both mechanically and musically. Would also help in developing a sense of key and position for future improvisation. Vance

Re: John Wilson

2003-11-24 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Chris, A facsimile of Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus. b.1 has been printed in facsimile: Volume 7 of Elise Bickford Jorgens (ed.), _English Song 1600-1675_, 12 vols (New York, Garland, 1987). Although this Bodleian manuscript is not autograph, it is devoted almost entirely to the music

Re: Scale Exercise

2003-11-24 Thread corun
There's a lovely little exercise in Hans Newsidler's Das Erst Buch entitled Das Erst Fundament auff die Lauten. This can be found in the Lute Society's edition of Das Erst Buch. It's the very first piece in the book. Craig

Re: Scale Exercise

2003-11-24 Thread Timothy Kuntz
This is a very good book (although not that much fun in lessons when I'd rather play music) and Karen is a great teacher! Tim Kuntz Leonard Williams wrote: Scale Execies for Renaissance Lute (1998) Karen Meyers 232 Dupont St. Philadelphia, PA 19127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This includes scales in

Re: ivory in lutes

2003-11-24 Thread Ed Durbrow
Yes, Toyohiko Satoh has an ivory lute; it is a Burkholtzer by Ruchard Berg. It is identical to my Berg Burkholtzer, with exception that the back on my lute is Brazilian rosewood. I think the wooden back sounds much nicer than the ivory backed lute. How about the cost of all that ivory? How

Re: string spacing

2003-11-24 Thread Steve Ramey
Ken, I'm real new to the lute business and can't claim to have the same feel for what feels good or works well as those with many years experience. I certainly don't have any idea what might or might not be standard. However... My Paki 8c lute look-alike (574mm vibrating string length)

New website

2003-11-24 Thread Michael Thames
Dear everyone, I have just redone my website to feature some lutes of mine, as well = as some photos of actual historical lutes. And a bunch of boring guitar = stuff. Forgive my shameless self promotion, but I couldn't help it. Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com --

Re: string spacing

2003-11-24 Thread Ken Brodkey
Hi Vance, 1 mm (at the nut) seems awfully close. I'm finding that a hair over 2mm seems to be the place where my strings don't rattle. There are a bunch of variables here though; right hand technique, string tension, string diameter, spacing at the bridge, string length and probably some others

Re: John Wilson

2003-11-24 Thread Howard Posner
Stewart McCoy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilson seems to avoid using the first course, which seems to suggest there was some kind of problem with it, e.g. it might have been tuned down an octave. Of course (no pun intended, but what the hell), Wilson does not avoid the first course in the