[LUTE] Re: De Visee
I play with with nails, and a video of me playing can be found at the
link below, with more to follow on YouTube soon. I hope this goes some
way to satisfying your curiosity, and criticism (preferably
constructive!) is welcome.
[1]https://youtu.be/msh4dbjLl0k
Toby
On Wed, 8 May 2019, 00:27 Roland Hayes, <[2]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
wrote:
I don't doubt that 17th century players who used nails had nice
finish
on their nails and a nice sound as a result.
My curiosity is what does solo theorbo music sound like when
competently played with nails?
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From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
on behalf
of M Del <[5]terli...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:57:33 PM
To: magnus andersson
Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; Roland Hayes; jslute; Lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students
to use
finely crushed pumice stone and leather from a deer (it happened
to be
a piece from a hunter friend).Rolando was old enough to play on
gut
strings until he came back from WW2.
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> On May 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM, magnus andersson
<[6]maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
>Dear collective wisdom,
>From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been
around
>since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like
Piccinini,
Corbetta
>(who we know had
>to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and
still pay
his
>fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de VisÃ
©e had
found
>a way for them to get it to work without shredding and
tearing
their
>strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
>"the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
cleanly; In
>the manner that all small touches of the string may be
schietto,
like
>pearl[s]"
>/Magnus
>
>On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
><[7]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document
good
nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries
ago? I
would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from
telescope
>lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails.
The
chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not
much
better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today
among
those
>who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
><[1][1][8]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like
to
remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands
of years
to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb
jslute
> <[2][2][9]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>Dear All:
>Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough
to
build
>lutes and
>craft overwound strings could have figured out a way
to
file
>and
>polish
>their nails.
>Jim Stimson
>Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Original message
>From: John Mardinly
<[3][3][10]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
>Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
>To: Roland Hayes
<[4][4][11]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>Cc: Lute List <[5][5][12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
>More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some
of the
>modern
>files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
prepared
>nails give
>a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
teacher
>back
>in
>1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how
Segovia
>prepared
>
[LUTE] Re: New music
I've performed it (Old Bones by Nico Muhly) and enjoyed doing so, while it may not be to everyone's taste I think it's a good example of serious composers writing thoughtfully for the instrument. Toby On 22 Dec 2017 19:05, "Peter Martin" <[1]peter.l...@gmail.com> wrote: I think you've nailed it, Christopher. By the way, has *anyone* else heard the Nico Muhly piece? Peter On Friday, 22 December 2017, Christopher Wilke <[1][2]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Newer music for the lute is a tough sell because it subverts audience expectations. I don't think it's too much of an assumption to say that most lute fans (both listeners and players) became interested in the instrument because they were attracted to early music first. Therefore, in this mindset, the lute is "for" early music and anything else introduces disconcerting cognitive dissonance. Some folks are genuinely offended that anyone would play something other than old European music on a lute. That's a significant enough segment of the already tiny lute audience that one risks alienating. That's a large disincentive to spend the time learning modern pieces, even for those interested in expanding the repertoire. (Personally, I've never seen it this way at all. To me, anything that sounds good on the instrument is fair game, regardless of style or period.) It's interesting that the harpsichord has not had this problem. There is a sizeable body of contemporary music for solo harpsichord as well as in ensemble compositions written by heavy weight composers. The late Elizabeth Chojnacka made virtually her entire career out of performing contemporary harpsichord music. (She passed away this past May.) Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer [2][3]www.christopherwilke.com On Fri, 12/22/17, Tristan von Neumann <[3][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: New music To: "lutelist Net" <[4][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Friday, December 22, 2017, 9:32 AM Not exactly "new", but modern: Charles Tournemire requests a lute in his 8th Symphony (1924) :) Not a piece you can play with your friends though, except if you are friends with a Philharmonic Orchestra... Am 22.12.2017 um 12:23 schrieb Jim Dunn: >As the lute becomes slowly more popular, I think we'll see more >contemporary lute music popping up equally slowly (I think lutes in >their various guises have a very interesting tonality and set of >limitations to compose for, I'm enjoying making my own ham-fisted >efforts at least...) >Meanwhile, not necessarily all 'new' material, but I've been enjoying >Peter Sà ¶derberg's three contemporary lute records:20th century stuff >like Cage, Tenney, Stockhausen etc, as well as recordings of more >recent things written specifically for lute. The non-lute material he >has selected comes over very well in my opinion. >Here's to more! > >On 22 Dec 2017, 00:21 +, Eric Hansen <[5][6]librarylutepla...@gmail.com>, >wrote: > > Hartt School composer David Macbride composes solo lute music for > me, a > total of 13 pieces as of this writing. I played one of them at the > Lute Society Seminar in Cleveland a few years ago, it's up on > YouTube. > He and I have begun to record the pieces, a few at a time. > Best to all, > Eric > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson > <[1][6][7]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his > own > compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I > know, > it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda > counts), Chris Wilke recorded a
[LUTE] Re: New music
Matthew Wadsworth's latest CD included a new piece for theorbo by Stephen Goss that I think is worth mentioning, and I believe they have plans to continue that collaboration On 21 Dec 2017 23:16, "David van Ooijen" <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Like most (pro) lute players, I play, record and arrange my share of contemporary music, have some written for me even, but it's far outnumbered by early music. On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 at 00:12, Daniel Shoskes <[1][2]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote: I highly recommend it. I commissioned a work from Ronn McFarlane and I think it's one of his most beautiful: [2][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE <[3][4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYgAAyMtgtE> Ronn playing it live: [4][5]https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc <[5][6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3j5muuVKc> Recording: [6][7]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/ 878859427?i=8788594 69 <[7][8]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/passacaglia/ 878859427?i=878859 469> Also commissioned a version of Adon Olam from Rene Schiffer that is in the form of a passacaglia with a theorbo part. Let's keep them gainfully employed! Danny > On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Jacob Johnson <[8][9]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't think that's entirely accurate. Ronn McFarlane plays his own > compositions, Jakob Lindberg performs the Britten Nocturnal (I know, > it's not that new, and it's not really for lute, but IMO it kinda > counts), Chris Wilke recorded a whole cd of Roman Turovsky's new works > for baroque lute, I saw Elizabeth Kenny perform TWO recent theorbo > commissions at the LuteFestWest, and there's certainly more examples I > just can't think of at the moment. > As soon as I can afford to do so, I intend to commission some works for > myself to play. > > Jacob Johnson > [uc?export=downloadid=0B6_gM3BRE6ZrYVVZZU5QNmJqdDQ& amp;revid=0B 6_g > M3BRE6ZraW9nQ2U4SGNwV0tYVWxobnNBVjBsZi9FNHhzPQ] > Guitar/Lute > [1][9][10]www.johnsonguitarstudio.com > [11]469.237.0625. > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Stetson > <[2][10][12]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello all. > An interesting question, Peter, thanks for bringing it up. To > answer > honestly and personally, I'm not especially interested in new > music, > per se, for any of the instruments I play (mainly lute, guitar, > mandolin, but some others too). I couldn't really say why, > except > that the music I've looked at from the last 30 years tends, and I > mean > tends, to be difficult and not especially tuneful to my ear. > There > are exceptions, of course, and I play some of those, though > mostly on > guitar. I'm not a professional, so I tend to be fairly > conservstive > in the music I choose to spend time seeking out and playing. I > also > don't play many of the old compositions that fit the above > criteria. > I fully realize. however, that one person's difficult is > another > person's interesting, and I'm really glad that people are writing > new > music for lute. > Best to all, and keep playing, > Chris. > >On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Peter Martin > <[1][3][11][13]peter.l...@gmail.com> >wrote: > Hello all, > I recently bought a Wigmore Hall Live CD of a 2013 concert by > countertenor Iestyn Davies and lutenist Thomas Dunford. It > included > the world premiere performance of a substantial piece by Nico > Muhly > called Old Bones. Up to now, I'd never heard of
[LUTE] Re: Info about a couple of songs
The first song is called 'when i raise my goblet deep' possibly by Henry Lawes, though I'm not sure. I have a copy at home so can send to you tomorrow if you'd like. Toby On 23 Mar 2017 04:42, "howard posner" <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: Can someone plug the leaks in my memory about two songs? 1. What's the song that ends "Better to be drunk - dead drunk - than dead"? 2. What's the printed source for the Robert King song "Tune your lute and raise your voice"? And are either of them on the web in some form? To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
