[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

One of my Shakti favourites must be "Peace of mind" from the "Natural Elements" album. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3t15wctpN0 G. On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:05 AM, George <[2]georgefos...@att.net> wrote: My favorite east meets west: John McLaughlin and Shakti. Check out

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

I played with a Bollywood band last November, does that count? See programmes (and Frisch' interesting book on these) by Le Baroque Nomade or Jordi Savall's Xavier album for musically inspired intercultural fusion in early music. Or the Italian baroque sonata's composed by Petrini

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

My favorite east meets west: John McLaughlin and Shakti. Check out Happiness is Being Together. On YouTube. > On Feb 8, 2018, at 6:31 PM, G. C. wrote: > > Kiitos Arto, minä tykkät hyväin kitarristin. Cool album > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:14 AM, Arto Wikla

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Kiitos Arto, minä tykkät hyväin kitarristin. Cool album On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:14 AM, Arto Wikla <[1]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Dear lutenists Here is my favorite eastern-western music from my youth: THE PAUL BUTTERFIELD BLUES BAND - EAST WEST (1966)

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Dear lutenists Here is my favorite eastern-western music from my youth: THE PAUL BUTTERFIELD BLUES BAND - EAST WEST (1966) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMqBvBLJio (btw: that is good music even today! :-) ) Perhaps Tristan will find some similiar ragas? best, Arto On 09/02/18 01:57,

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Yep, and Apes don't look like Humans. There is no other relation whatsoever, pure coincidence that they look alike If you had listened as much to the tracks while finding the right spot to make it sound ok without too much manipulation, you would notice more that just modes. But as I said

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

I do hear similarities between the two. But I hear similarities among lots of musics â from Steve Reich to "space music" to troubadour songs in similar modes, and do not think it means direct contact or transmission of the sort I think you are asserting. I find the unique musical

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

> On Feb 8, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > If I presented a book with Ragas in one staff mensural notation from > Sweelinck's attic, your answer would probably be "these are just solmization > exercises"… I’d have questions about its

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

so what do you expect? If I presented a book with Ragas in one staff mensural notation from Sweelinck's attic, your answer would probably be "these are just solmization exercises"... If you don't want to believe, you wouldn't even believe me if Sweelinck told you himself... I have seen this

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Excellent find, Jacob. Clearly someone has too much free time on their hands. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters Francisco Goya On Feb 8, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Jacob Johnson <[1]tmrguitar...@gmail.com> wrote: If a mashup counts as

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

I technically posted an example of quodlibet. But what you've done is in fact precisely the same as a mashup, wherein two disparate source pieces are overlaid, often with one source requiring a change of pitch and/or tempo. Mashups don't mean that you've edited the parts, that

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

it's not a mash-up, I *DID NOT EDIT THE TRACKS* I just placed them above each other and pitched the lute to the pitch of the Raga! How do you expect to do editing in 30 mins?? here are the original source tracks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbbk7_tFDo (this reveals the identity of

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

If a mashup counts as "evidence", then I humbly submit for the list's consideration the following: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OYkWSW7u4k; #bigiftrue #staywoke #wakeupsheeple What blows my mind is how incredibly confrontational your tone is in nearly everything you post

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

> Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:31 PM To: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis Perhaps the theoretical approach of Schenker would be helpful to

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

You might want to organize a concert, where the musicians play together. Maybe you will then see. It's fun anyway! Am 08.02.2018 um 17:17 schrieb John Mardinly: I listened, but only a little, because I found the sound to be so horrible I just could not stand it. So whatever the

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

I listened, but only a little, because I found the sound to be so horrible I just could not stand it. So whatever the musicological arguments, it is just not musical, IMHO. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters Francisco Goya On Feb 7, 2018, at

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Excellent suggestion. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Sandman Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:32 AM To: Tristan von Neumann Cc: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:30 AM To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman Well then, let's make this public then. Yes, you are living in darkness for not wanting to hear the r

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Thank you Susan! I am aware of Schenker - I studied musicology back in the day. This would be indeed the best approach, but I guess it is possible to find the exact match when analyzing just what is there. Indian understanding - as it appears to me - basically *is* Schenkerian, so I guess this

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis Perhaps the theoretical approach of Schenker would be helpful to communicate the similarities you are finding between the Bull Fantasia, Raga Yaman and maybe Castello. Schenker's system is based on the dynamic pull of scale

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

-Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:19 AM To: lutelist Net Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman Aye. Thank you, gentlemen. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmou

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

l Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:19 AM To: lutelist Net Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman Aye. Thank you, gentlemen. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Aye. Thank you, gentlemen. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. C. Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:46 PM To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman I agree with you Arto

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

I would not dare to call you a fool if you actually took your time to listen :) In case of my experiments I grant you, there is room for doubt. But with Fantasy X and XII: Did you *really* listen? (I hope your disbelief did not impair your hearing. This human trait has been proven

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

I agree with you Arto. The first example is quite amazing in its compatibility. Due to a common scale, the forced duet somehow sounds compatible. I would say a musical quirk and a coincidence. How could Indian music be compatible with Western renaissance. No chance! And the other

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Well, I listened carefully all those example combinations of Bull's harpsichord pieces and the suggested similiar(?) raga performances, and sincerely I could not find much in common between them, just two different sound clips connected. Tristan von Neumann is of course free to name me also

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

Dear Tristan, I'm super excited about your discovery, and thank you many times for providing it, as well as your other notes which are much appreciated. There must have been a lot more intercultural exchange back then than what we read in standard history books. I recently

[LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

> Those who would even want to listen are fools. Of course, those who wouldn't. Am 07.02.2018 um 06:48 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: I can't believe almost no one is excited about this discovery. All those who *still* doubt me, listen to this epic Raga Yaman accompanied by John Bull's Fantasy