[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread Alain Veylit 
The Manchus took advantage of an unexpected flaw in the Great Wall, 
called a door. It opened from the Chinese side. Fat chance that the 
Mexicans will make the same mistake.



On 05/28/2017 01:45 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:

"I'm gonna build a wall! The Picts are gonna pay for it! Make Albion
great again!"  -Hadrian Trumpus.
Didn't work too well for the Chinese either. As far as I know, the
Mongols & the Manchus still haven't even coughed up a single yuan.
On 5/28/2017 12:00 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:

>Perhaps we should hire President Trump to build a wall for us.

I seem to recall some guy named Hadrian attempted the barrier solution
a few years back.  But I for one would donate money if you would hire
Donald Trump to build a wall, just as long as you keep him busy and
keep him over there.
RA
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Subj: [LUTE] Re: Cumbées?   > On May 27, 2017, at 6:37 AM, 
[8]mjlhall@tiscal
i.co.uk wrote:
>
>  there were a lot of Africans in Spain during
> the 16th and 18th centuries. North African is just a short distance
> across the Mediterranean from Spain.
Tangier is, but it's 3,300 kilometers from Gibraltar to Dakar and 4,500
kilometers to Sierra Leone.  Is the cumbee a Moorish dance?
 - That is a good question.  Spain held territories in North Africa and
Spain and Portugal navigated down the west coast of Africa long before
they reached the New World. Vasco da Gama sailed to India round the
southern tip of Africa etc. at the same time that Columbus discovered
the West Indies. So the idea that any African dances must have come
from Mexico doesn't really hold water. I think the received wisdom is
that the cumbees, paracumbe and guinea and a few others all came from
Guinea or that part of Africa rather than from north of the Sahara.
Distance is not really a factor - it was Aristotle I believe - correct
me if I am wrong - who said "We Greeks live like frogs around a pond".
The Mediterranean is not much of a barrier - refugees are flooding from
Africa into Europe in boatloads by that route today. Perhaps we should
hire President Trump to build a wall for us. A suspension bridge might
be a better idea - fewer people would drown. The Roman Empire
encompassed a lot of North Africa and Spain was invaded by people from
North Africa long before the Moors arrived and some of them must have
been ethnically African.
 - So take your pick.
Monica

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[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread howard posner 

> On May 28, 2017, at 12:59 PM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
>  when I reply to messages it doesn't 
> distinguish my reply from what has gone before. Can anyone tell me what 
> I am doing wrong.

I can’t, but you might want to experiment with the quote level control, if your 
email program’s Format menu has one.



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[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread Dan Winheld 
   "I'm gonna build a wall! The Picts are gonna pay for it! Make Albion
   great again!"  -Hadrian Trumpus.
   Didn't work too well for the Chinese either. As far as I know, the
   Mongols & the Manchus still haven't even coughed up a single yuan.
   On 5/28/2017 12:00 PM, Ron Andrico wrote:

   >Perhaps we should hire President Trump to build a wall for us.

   I seem to recall some guy named Hadrian attempted the barrier solution
   a few years back.  But I for one would donate money if you would hire
   Donald Trump to build a wall, just as long as you keep him busy and
   keep him over there.
   RA
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   Subj: [LUTE] Re: Cumbées?   > On May 27, 2017, at 6:37 AM, 
[8]mjlhall@tiscal
i.co.uk wrote:
   >
   >  there were a lot of Africans in Spain during
   > the 16th and 18th centuries. North African is just a short distance
   > across the Mediterranean from Spain.
   Tangier is, but it's 3,300 kilometers from Gibraltar to Dakar and 4,500
   kilometers to Sierra Leone.  Is the cumbee a Moorish dance?
- That is a good question.  Spain held territories in North Africa and
   Spain and Portugal navigated down the west coast of Africa long before
   they reached the New World. Vasco da Gama sailed to India round the
   southern tip of Africa etc. at the same time that Columbus discovered
   the West Indies. So the idea that any African dances must have come
   from Mexico doesn't really hold water. I think the received wisdom is
   that the cumbees, paracumbe and guinea and a few others all came from
   Guinea or that part of Africa rather than from north of the Sahara.
   Distance is not really a factor - it was Aristotle I believe - correct
   me if I am wrong - who said "We Greeks live like frogs around a pond".
   The Mediterranean is not much of a barrier - refugees are flooding from
   Africa into Europe in boatloads by that route today. Perhaps we should
   hire President Trump to build a wall for us. A suspension bridge might
   be a better idea - fewer people would drown. The Roman Empire
   encompassed a lot of North Africa and Spain was invaded by people from
   North Africa long before the Moors arrived and some of them must have
   been ethnically African.
- So take your pick.
   Monica

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[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 



Wow.  You just used the word “quiet” to describe Trump.

> Well he just has a lot of other things to shout about at the moment.  
With a name like that I can't resist the temptation to comment that 
"the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised 
incorruptible" perhaps the rapture is imminent.

Completely off topic - but when I reply to messages it doesn't 
distinguish my reply from what has gone before. Can anyone tell me what 
I am doing wrong.

MOnica


> On May 28, 2017, at 12:26 PM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
 I don't think even he could achieve that - and I don't think he 
> would get Africa to pay for it either. He seems to have gone a bit 
> quiet on that one




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[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread howard posner 
Wow.  You just used the word “quiet” to describe Trump.

> On May 28, 2017, at 12:26 PM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
 I don't think even he could achieve that - and I don't think he 
> would get Africa to pay for it either. He seems to have gone a bit 
> quiet on that one




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[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 


>Perhaps we should hire President Trump to build a wall for us.

   I seem to recall some guy named Hadrian attempted the barrier 
solution
   a few years back.  
>>> Parts of it are still there and Nicola Sturgeon (if you have heard 
about her) is trying to get it repaired this time to keep the English 
out of Scotland rather than the other way around. 

But I for one would donate money if you would hire
   Donald Trump to build a wall, just as long as you keep him busy and
   keep him over there.
   RA

>>>I don't think even he could achieve that - and I don't think he 
would get Africa to pay for it either. He seems to have gone a bit 
quiet on that one but perhaps that's just the calm before the storm.  
As Pope Francis (bless him) said - we should be building bridges, not 
walls.

Monica
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   Date: 28/05/2017 0:08
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   > On May 27, 2017, at 6:37 AM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
   >
   >  there were a lot of Africans in Spain during
   > the 16th and 18th centuries. North African is just a short 
distance
   > across the Mediterranean from Spain.
   Tangier is, but it’s 3,300 kilometers from Gibraltar to Dakar and 
4,500
   kilometers to Sierra Leone.  Is the cumbee a Moorish dance?
- That is a good question.  Spain held territories in North Africa 
and
   Spain and Portugal navigated down the west coast of Africa long 
before
   they reached the New World. Vasco da Gama sailed to India round the
   southern tip of Africa etc. at the same time that Columbus 
discovered
   the West Indies. So the idea that any African dances must have come
   from Mexico doesn't really hold water. I think the received wisdom 
is
   that the cumbees, paracumbe and guinea and a few others all came 
from
   Guinea or that part of Africa rather than from north of the Sahara.
   Distance is not really a factor - it was Aristotle I believe - 
correct
   me if I am wrong - who said "We Greeks live like frogs around a 
pond".
   The Mediterranean is not much of a barrier - refugees are flooding 
from
   Africa into Europe in boatloads by that route today. Perhaps we 
should
   hire President Trump to build a wall for us. A suspension bridge 
might
   be a better idea - fewer people would drown. The Roman Empire
   encompassed a lot of North Africa and Spain was invaded by people 
from
   North Africa long before the Moors arrived and some of them must 
have
   been ethnically African.
- So take your pick.
   Monica

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[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-28 Thread mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 


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> On May 27, 2017, at 6:37 AM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
>  there were a lot of Africans in Spain during 
> the 16th and 18th centuries. North African is just a short distance 
> across the Mediterranean from Spain. 

Tangier is, but it’s 3,300 kilometers from Gibraltar to Dakar and 4,500 
kilometers to Sierra Leone.  Is the cumbee a Moorish dance?

 - That is a good question.  Spain held territories in North Africa and 
Spain and Portugal navigated down the west coast of Africa long before 
they reached the New World. Vasco da Gama sailed to India round the 
southern tip of Africa etc. at the same time that Columbus discovered 
the West Indies. So the idea that any African dances must have come 
from Mexico doesn't really hold water. I think the received wisdom is 
that the cumbees, paracumbe and guinea and a few others all came from 
Guinea or that part of Africa rather than from north of the Sahara. 
Distance is not really a factor - it was Aristotle I believe - correct 
me if I am wrong - who said "We Greeks live like frogs around a pond". 
The Mediterranean is not much of a barrier - refugees are flooding from 
Africa into Europe in boatloads by that route today. Perhaps we should 
hire President Trump to build a wall for us. A suspension bridge might 
be a better idea - fewer people would drown. The Roman Empire 
encompassed a lot of North Africa and Spain was invaded by people from 
North Africa long before the Moors arrived and some of them must have 
been ethnically African.
 - So take your pick.

Monica

[LUTE] Re: Cumb=C3=A9es?=

2017-05-27 Thread howard posner 

> On May 27, 2017, at 6:37 AM, mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
>  there were a lot of Africans in Spain during 
> the 16th and 18th centuries. North African is just a short distance 
> across the Mediterranean from Spain. 

Tangier is, but it’s 3,300 kilometers from Gibraltar to Dakar and 4,500 
kilometers to Sierra Leone.  Is the cumbee a Moorish dance?



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