[LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa
Of course, some of the works in Dalla Casa specifically designate "mandolino"
or "mandola" with basso continuo. There is also a scale chart for mandolino in
the back of the document that outlines the expected 5-course tuning of b, e',
a', d'', g''.
Not complete, but I am actually quite fond of the Yamaya–Scheidermann recording
of all the works with mandolino/mandola designation (plus a few more so
realized for good measure: "The Mandolino in 18th-Century Italy: The Dalla Casa
Manuscript, Vol.1") and Yamaya's of select works for solo archlute ("The
Archlute in 18th-Century Italy: The Dalla Casa Manuscript, Vol.2").
Best,
Eugene
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Alain Veylit
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Mathias Rösel; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa
Mathias,
I too am puzzled by the basso continuo chunks and I am not yet sure how they
fit with the rest - they may be short-hand notation for arpeggiated parts,
perhaps... However, the grand staff notation seems definitely intended for an
archlute - specifically the arciliuto francese, i.e. a 10-course lute in the
old tuning... Funny they called it that since the French were playing more
commonly an 11-course D-minor lute at the time... De Visee also notated his
theorbo parts on a grand staff, with a note that those few people who could
still read tablature could just send him a note asking for the pieces in tab. I
have not got to the mandolin parts yet but someone has a fund-raising project
for a complete recording of Dalla Casa. If interested, google it.
Alain
On 08/04/2017 11:49 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote:
> Alain,
> It's definitely worth the effort IMO, but that staff notation may be
> misleading. I was wondering quite a time about dalla Casa's book. I
> was suspicithias,
> ous that not all of it is for lute solo. Then Susanne Herre turned up with
> her mandolin, we played from dalla Casa, and it all suddenly made sense. Some
> of the music is for a melody instrument together with a bass instrument,
> playing thorough bass. That's recognizable by the figures below the staff.
> There are staffs without figures as well, but now I'm wondering whether any
> of that music is for lute solo at all.
> Mathias
>
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
> Auftrag von Alain Veylit
> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. August 2017 18:34
> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa
>
> Yesterday, I started transcribing a piece from the Filippo Dalla Casa MS
> yesterday and I am wondering how much interest there might be in a full
> transcription. The MS is for archlute in grand staff notation, so part of the
> work involves providing a tablature version of the pieces also. I think Nigel
> North had some pretty harsh words about the quality of the music but I find
> it very much in the spirit of Zamboni and there is not that much archlute
> specific music around. So, what do people think?
> Worth the effort or just a waste of valuable time...
> Alain
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
>
[LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa
Mathias, I too am puzzled by the basso continuo chunks and I am not yet sure how they fit with the rest - they may be short-hand notation for arpeggiated parts, perhaps... However, the grand staff notation seems definitely intended for an archlute - specifically the arciliuto francese, i.e. a 10-course lute in the old tuning... Funny they called it that since the French were playing more commonly an 11-course D-minor lute at the time... De Visee also notated his theorbo parts on a grand staff, with a note that those few people who could still read tablature could just send him a note asking for the pieces in tab. I have not got to the mandolin parts yet but someone has a fund-raising project for a complete recording of Dalla Casa. If interested, google it. Alain On 08/04/2017 11:49 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: Alain, It's definitely worth the effort IMO, but that staff notation may be misleading. I was wondering quite a time about dalla Casa's book. I was suspicithias, ous that not all of it is for lute solo. Then Susanne Herre turned up with her mandolin, we played from dalla Casa, and it all suddenly made sense. Some of the music is for a melody instrument together with a bass instrument, playing thorough bass. That's recognizable by the figures below the staff. There are staffs without figures as well, but now I'm wondering whether any of that music is for lute solo at all. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Alain Veylit Gesendet: Freitag, 4. August 2017 18:34 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa Yesterday, I started transcribing a piece from the Filippo Dalla Casa MS yesterday and I am wondering how much interest there might be in a full transcription. The MS is for archlute in grand staff notation, so part of the work involves providing a tablature version of the pieces also. I think Nigel North had some pretty harsh words about the quality of the music but I find it very much in the spirit of Zamboni and there is not that much archlute specific music around. So, what do people think? Worth the effort or just a waste of valuable time... Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa
Alain, It's definitely worth the effort IMO, but that staff notation may be misleading. I was wondering quite a time about dalla Casa's book. I was suspicious that not all of it is for lute solo. Then Susanne Herre turned up with her mandolin, we played from dalla Casa, and it all suddenly made sense. Some of the music is for a melody instrument together with a bass instrument, playing thorough bass. That's recognizable by the figures below the staff. There are staffs without figures as well, but now I'm wondering whether any of that music is for lute solo at all. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Alain Veylit Gesendet: Freitag, 4. August 2017 18:34 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa Yesterday, I started transcribing a piece from the Filippo Dalla Casa MS yesterday and I am wondering how much interest there might be in a full transcription. The MS is for archlute in grand staff notation, so part of the work involves providing a tablature version of the pieces also. I think Nigel North had some pretty harsh words about the quality of the music but I find it very much in the spirit of Zamboni and there is not that much archlute specific music around. So, what do people think? Worth the effort or just a waste of valuable time... Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa
Yesterday, I started transcribing a piece from the Filippo Dalla Casa MS yesterday and I am wondering how much interest there might be in a full transcription. The MS is for archlute in grand staff notation, so part of the work involves providing a tablature version of the pieces also. I think Nigel North had some pretty harsh words about the quality of the music but I find it very much in the spirit of Zamboni and there is not that much archlute specific music around. So, what do people think? Worth the effort or just a waste of valuable time... Alain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
