[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Alain Veylit]

   Hi all,

   A while ago I decided to dig into the possibility that dumps (doompes
   or thumpes...) might have a connection with a certain style of playing
   on the harp. This was my starting point and while I admit I did not
   really get anywhere specific, the journey itself proved somewhat
   enjoyable, with forays into Anglo-Irish 19th century politics and a
   discovery of some really weird instruments with exotic sounding name
   like the crwth and tiompan. This also started from a transcription of
   an absolutely remarkable piece in the Marsh lute book, Arthur's dump, a
   piece of considerable virtuosity with a remarkable rhythmic pattern at
   its core quite unlike any other piece for lute I think, including
   pieces titled "dumps". Nothing is known about the origins of the Marsh
   lute book and its acquisition by the archbishop and its current
   location in Dublin provides no proof of its origins. A lot of its duet
   contents seems to also be found in the Cambridge Dd-3-18 MS, many by
   John Johnson.

   Although I would not conclude anything overly precise or worth a $20
   bet on it, I now tend to think of the dump as the British equivalent of
   the brande or branle, i.e. a dance that could be both gay or sad, in
   duple or triple meter, but distinguished by a particular move of the
   body - for the branle, that was a sideways motion of the body, for the
   dump maybe a "thump" of the foot on the ground following a signature
   syncopation in the music. But honestly, we don't know that much about
   that genre and the evidence I could find is shaky and quite often
   politically motivated. Which made that little research quite enjoyable
   to me. Was the dump's  fall out of favor at roughly the same time as
   Elizabeth's edict against wandering harpists a mere coincidence? Could
   be. Or not.

   If you are interested in this topic, feel free to check my page on
   Arthur's dump at
   [1]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/collections/preview/2 and the
   details of my (non)findings at
   [2]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/collection/zip_file/2/Arth
   urTheory.html. I provide plenty of links for those who have time to
   spend on a long winter afternoon.

   Sadly perhaps, the only real evidence of musical interbreeding between
   lute and harp comes from Spain, with Mudarra's Fantasia que Contrahaze
   La Harpa en la Manera de Ludovico, also a technically very strongly
   typed piece.

   Alain

   On 02/23/2017 09:24 AM, G. C. wrote:

   Yes, I'm unfortunately most probably mistaken with that fast and
   unchecked remark, as my only source was:
   [1][3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-xLdCy_-Q

 [4]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/collections/preview/2uite u

 and we all know how trustworthy that media is. Silly of me. Checked
 McFeely and found a few unspesified dumps in Marsh but none
 specific. Sorry, for probably being mistaken by wrong attributions!
 G. On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Lex van Sante
 [5]<[2]lvansa...@gmail.com> wrote: @ G.C. I have tried to find it in
 Marsh a long time ago but to no avail. On which page can I find it?
 Lex > Op 22 feb. 2017, om 12:08 heeft Ron Andrico
 [6]<[3]praelu...@hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven: > > Sterling:
 > > The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society in a >
 tablature supplement circa 2000. Contact Chris Goodwin, since I >
 believe he made the arrangement. > > RA >
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 > > From: [[7]4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 [8]<[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of sterling price
 [9]<[6]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, February
 22, 2017 4:05 AM > To: Lute List > Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys
 Dompe > > Hi all-- > I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played
 by Paul O'Dette on > the > Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the
 liner notes I think it is > Paul's > arrangement of the harpsichord
 version. Any ideas? > Thanks-- > Sterling > -- > To get on or off
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Rainer]

Should be in the supplement to the newsletter December 1997.

Unfortunately I can't find it. Perhaps on separate pages which I have lost?

Rainer

On 22.02.2017 12:58, Matthew Daillie wrote:

   On 22/02/2017 12:08, Ron Andrico wrote:

Sterling:

   The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society in a
   tablature supplement circa 2000.  Contact Chris Goodwin, since I
   believe he made the arrangement.

   RA
 __

   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2] on behalf
   of sterling price [3]
   Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:05 AM
   To: Lute List
   Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe

   Hi all--
  I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on
   the
  Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is
   Paul's
  arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
  Thanks--
  Sterling

   This was in fact an arrangement for two lutes by Chris Goodwin. It is
   in the music supplement of Lute News No. 44 (December 1997) which I
   have miraculously found in a cardboard box if you want a copy.

   Best

   Matthew
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   Genealogy
   I just hear that:
   The Lady Hunsdon of âPuffe' fame was the wife of George Carey, who was
   the son of Henry Carey, who is possibly the illegitimate son of Henry
   the 8th and Mary Carey (nee Boleyn).
   G.
   On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:45 AM, John Mardinly
   <[1]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:

   So is this the same Lady Carey that was also know as Lady Hunsdon, of
   âPuffe' fame?
   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis  Engineer
   EMail:  [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell:  408-921-3253  (does not work in TEM  labs)
   But don't call the labâ¦.I won't be there!

   On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:46 AM, G. C. <[3]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Also available in supplement 61 (April 2002)
  This was in fact an arrangement for two lutes by Chris
   Goodwin. It
  is
in the music supplement of Lute News No. 44 (December
   1997) which
  I
have miraculously found in a cardboard box if you want a
   copy.
Best
Matthew
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Matthew Daillie]

On 23/02/2017 18:58, Ron Andrico wrote:

Here is a list of pieces titled
"dump" from John Ward,"The "Dolfull Domps",  Journal of the American
Musicological Society, Vol. 4, No. 2 (Summer, 1951), pp. 111-121.


Are there not copyright issues involved here?

:-J

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[AJN]

 Also (24 dompes) Michael Fink, ed., _*Down in the Dompes: The Collected 
English Lute Dumpes*_ 
 (Westminster: LVG Publications, 2008). 109 pp. French tablature with 
commentary.



On 02/23/17, Ron Andrico wrote:

 No, the Lady Carey of the eponymous dump predates the later puffy
 Hunsdon female by probably 50 years or so. And no, the same piece does
 not appear in the Marsh lute ms. Here is a list of pieces titled
 "dump" from John Ward,"The "Dolfull Domps", Journal of the American
 Musicological Society, Vol. 4, No. 2 (Summer, 1951), pp. 111-121.

 1. "My lady Carey's dompe," for keyboard. British Museum, Ms. Royal
 Appendix 58, ff. 44v-45v. Reprinted in Historical Anthology of Music,
 ed. Davison and Apel, No. 103.
 2. "The Duke of Somersett's dompe," for lute. Ibid., ff. 51v-52.
 3. "Pover man's doumpe,"'6f or lute. Ibid., f. 55. Reprinted in William
 Chappell's Old English Popular Music, rev. by H. E. Wooldridge (London,
 1893), Vol. I, p. 221.
 4. "Duke of Millans dump," for lute. Cambridge University Library, Ms.
 Dd. 2.11, f. IV.
 5. "J[ohn]: Johnsons 1. Dump," for lute. Cambridge University Library,
 Ms. Dd.3.18, f. 3.
 6. "J[ohn]: Johnsons 2. Dump," for lute. Ibid., ff. 3-4.
 7. "Militis dumpe," for lute. British Museum, Add. Ms. 31392, ff.
 16v-17.
 8. "A Dumpe" [= "Militis dumpe"],8 for lute. Folger Shakespeare
 Library, Ms.448.16, ff. I2-13v.
 9. "Queene Maries dumpe," for lute. Folger Shakespeare Library, Ms.
 1610.1, f. 1.
 10. "Quene Mariees Dump," for lute. Trinity College, Dublin, William
 Ballet's lute book, pp. 4-5.
 11. "Queen Maries Dumpe," a single bass [viol? ] part. British Museum,
 Add. Ms. 15118, f. 30v.
 I2. "The Irishe Dumpe," for keyboard. Fitzwilliam Virginal Book, p.
 297. Reprinted in the edition by Fuller-Maitland and Barclay Squire
 (Leipzig, 1899), Vol. II, p. 236.
 13. "The Queen of Bohemia's Dumpe,"for keyboard. New York Public
 Library, Drexel Ms. 5609, p. 122.
 14. "J. W. Dumpe," for keyboard. Ibid., p. 156.
 15. "An Irish Dump,"an instrumental tune. Printed in Smollet Holden's A
 Collection of Old Established Irish Slow and Quick Tunes (Dublin, ca.
 1806-07). Reprinted in Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians, 3rd
 ed. (New York, 1938), Vol. II, p. 109.
 __

 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
 of G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:24 PM
 To: Lex van Sante
 Cc: lute mailing list list
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

 Yes, I'm unfortunately most probably mistaken with that fast and
 unchecked remark, as my only source was:
 [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-xLdCy_-Q
 and we all know how trustworthy that media is. Silly of me. Checked
 McFeely and found a few unspesified dumps in Marsh but none
 specific.
 Sorry, for probably being mistaken by wrong attributions!
 G.
 On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Lex van Sante
 <[2]lvansa...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 @ G.C.
 I have tried to find it in Marsh a long time ago but to no avail.
 On which page can I find it?
 Lex
 > Op 22 feb. 2017, om 12:08 heeft Ron Andrico
 <[3]praelu...@hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
 >
 > Sterling:
 >
 > The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society in
 a
 > tablature supplement circa 2000. Contact Chris Goodwin,
 since
 I
 > believe he made the arrangement.
 >
 > RA
 >
 
 __
 >
 > From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 <[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
 > of sterling price <[6]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:05 AM
 > To: Lute List
 > Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe
 >
 > Hi all--
 > I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul
 O'Dette on
 > the
 > Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think
 it
 is
 > Paul's
 > arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
 > Thanks--
 > Sterling
 > --
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   The "Puffy Hunton" piece is another gem.
   And dates of Roy. App. 58 being ~1530. First quarter, almost :)
   Many thanks for the exqc. info on dumps Ron :)
   G.

   On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
   wrote:

  No, the Lady Carey of the eponymous dump predates the later puffy
  Hunsdon female by probably 50 years or so.   And no, the same piece
   does
  not appear in the Marsh lute ms.   Here is a list of pieces titled
  "dump" from John Ward,"The "Dolfull Domps",   Journal of the
   American
  Musicological Society, Vol. 4, No. 2 (Summer, 1951), pp. 111-121.
  1. "My lady Carey's dompe," for keyboard. British Museum, Ms. Royal
  Appendix 58, ff. 44v-45v. Reprinted in Historical Anthology of
   Music,
  ed. Davison and Apel, No. 103.
  2. "The Duke of Somersett's dompe," for lute. Ibid., ff. 51v-52.
  3. "Pover man's doumpe,"'6f or lute. Ibid., f. 55. Reprinted in
   William
  Chappell's Old English Popular Music, rev. by H. E. Wooldridge
   (London,
  1893), Vol. I, p. 221.
  4. "Duke of Millans dump," for lute. Cambridge University Library,
   Ms.
  Dd. 2.11, f. IV.
  5. "J[ohn]: Johnsons 1. Dump," for lute. Cambridge University
   Library,
  Ms. Dd.3.18, f. 3.
  6. "J[ohn]: Johnsons 2. Dump," for lute. Ibid., ff. 3-4.
  7. "Militis dumpe," for lute. British Museum, Add. Ms. 31392, ff.
  16v-17.
  8. "A Dumpe" [= "Militis dumpe"],8 for lute. Folger Shakespeare
  Library, Ms.448.16, ff. I2-13v.
  9. "Queene Maries dumpe," for lute. Folger Shakespeare Library, Ms.
  1610.1, f. 1.
  10. "Quene Mariees Dump," for lute. Trinity College, Dublin, William
  Ballet's lute book, pp. 4-5.
  11. "Queen Maries Dumpe," a single bass [viol? ] part. British
   Museum,
  Add. Ms. 15118, f. 30v.
  I2. "The Irishe Dumpe," for keyboard. Fitzwilliam Virginal Book, p.
  297. Reprinted in the edition by Fuller-Maitland and Barclay Squire
  (Leipzig, 1899), Vol. II, p. 236.
  13. "The Queen of Bohemia's Dumpe,"for keyboard. New York Public
  Library, Drexel Ms. 5609, p. 122.
  14. "J. W. Dumpe," for keyboard. Ibid., p. 156.
  15. "An Irish Dump,"an instrumental tune. Printed in Smollet
   Holden's A
  Collection of Old Established Irish Slow and Quick Tunes (Dublin,
   ca.
  1806-07). Reprinted in Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians,
   3rd
  ed. (New York, 1938), Vol. II, p. 109.

  
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  From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf
  of G. C. <[4]kalei...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:24 PM
  To: Lex van Sante
  Cc: lute mailing list list
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe
 Yes, I'm unfortunately most probably mistaken with that fast and
 unchecked remark, as my only source was:
 [1][5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-xLdCy_-Q
 and we all know how trustworthy that media is. Silly of me.
   Checked
 McFeely and found a few unspesified dumps in Marsh but none
  specific.
 Sorry, for probably being mistaken by wrong attributions!
 G.
 On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Lex van Sante
  <[2][6]lvansa...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
   @ G.C.
   I have tried to find it in Marsh a long time ago but to no
   avail.
   On which page can I find it?
   Lex
   > Op 22 feb. 2017, om 12:08 heeft Ron Andrico
   <[3][7]praelu...@hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
   >
   > Sterling:
   >
   > The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society
   in
  a
   > tablature supplement circa 2000.Contact Chris
   Goodwin,
  since
   I
   > believe he made the arrangement.
   >
   > RA
   >
  
   __
   >
   > From: [4][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   <[5][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
   > of sterling price <[6][10]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:05 AM
   > To: Lute List
   > Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe
   >
   > Hi all--
   >I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by
   Paul
   O'Dette on
   > the
   >Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I
   th

[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   Yes, I'm unfortunately most probably mistaken with that fast and
   unchecked remark, as my only source was:
   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-xLdCy_-Q
   and we all know how trustworthy that media is. Silly of me. Checked
   McFeely and found a few unspesified dumps in Marsh but none specific.
   Sorry, for probably being mistaken by wrong attributions!
   G.

   On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Lex van Sante <[2]lvansa...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 @ G.C.
 I have tried to find it in Marsh a long time ago but to no avail.
 On which page can I find it?
 Lex
 > Op 22 feb. 2017, om 12:08 heeft Ron Andrico
 <[3]praelu...@hotmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
 >
 >Sterling:
 >
 >The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society in a
 >tablature supplement circa 2000.   Contact Chris Goodwin, since
 I
 >believe he made the arrangement.
 >
 >RA
 >  
 __
 >
 >From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 <[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
 >of sterling price <[6]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 >Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:05 AM
 >To: Lute List
 >Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe
 >
 >Hi all--
 >   I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul
 O'Dette on
 >the
 >   Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it
 is
 >Paul's
 >   arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
 >   Thanks--
 >   Sterling
 >   --
 >To get on or off this list see list information at

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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Lex van Sante]

@ G.C.
I have tried to find it in Marsh a long time ago but to no avail. 
On which page can I find it?
Lex
> Op 22 feb. 2017, om 12:08 heeft Ron Andrico  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
>   Sterling:
> 
>   The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society in a
>   tablature supplement circa 2000.  Contact Chris Goodwin, since I
>   believe he made the arrangement.
> 
>   RA
> __
> 
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
>   of sterling price 
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:05 AM
>   To: Lute List
>   Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe
> 
>   Hi all--
>  I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on
>   the
>  Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is
>   Paul's
>  arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
>  Thanks--
>  Sterling
>  --
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   No idea, really. Lady Carey married Hunsdon, but if it is the same
   lady, heaven knows. I've got the feeling that dumps belong to an
   earlier age, more first than 4th quarter of 16th c. But the treble in
   this one is rather sophisticated.
   [cleardot.gif] G.
   John Mardinly wrote:
   So is this the same Lady Carey that was also know as Lady Hunsdon, of
   âPuffe' fame?

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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[John Mardinly]

   So is this the same Lady Carey that was also know as Lady Hunsdon, of
   ‘Puffe' fame?

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: 408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

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 Also available in supplement 61 (April 2002)
 This was in fact an arrangement for two lutes by Chris Goodwin.
   It
 is
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   which
   I
  have miraculously found in a cardboard box if you want a copy.
  Best
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   Also available in supplement 61 (April 2002)
   This was in fact an arrangement for two lutes by Chris Goodwin. It
   is

in the music supplement of Lute News No. 44 (December 1997) which
 I
have miraculously found in a cardboard box if you want a copy.
Best
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   Its also in Marsh.

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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[G. C.]

   Veylit also made a solo arrangement in c minor LadyCareySolo.pdf. Can
   we find it somewhere Alain?
   B.R.
   G.
   On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 1:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

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   Enclosed is pdf of Veylit's arrangement, also for two lutes ex. list.
   G.
   On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 5:05 AM, sterling price <
   [2]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
   >  Hi all--
   > I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette
   on the
   > Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is
   Paul's
   > arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
   > Thanks--
   > Sterling

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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

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Enclosed is pdf of Veylit's arrangement, also for two lutes ex. list.
G.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 5:05 AM, sterling price <
spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Hi all--
>I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
>Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
>arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
>Thanks--
>Sterling
>
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>
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Enclosed is pdf of Veylits arrangement, also for two 
lutes ex. list.G.On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 5:05 AM, sterling price mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu; 
target="_blank">spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
wrote:    Hi all--
   I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul ODette on 
the
   Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is 
Pauls
   arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
   Thanks--
   Sterling

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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Matthew Daillie]

   On 22/02/2017 12:08, Ron Andrico wrote:

Sterling:

   The piece is available in tablature from the Lute Society in a
   tablature supplement circa 2000.  Contact Chris Goodwin, since I
   believe he made the arrangement.

   RA
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   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2] on behalf
   of sterling price [3]
   Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:05 AM
   To: Lute List
   Subject: [LUTE] My Lady Careys Dompe

   Hi all--
  I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on
   the
  Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is
   Paul's
  arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
  Thanks--
  Sterling

   This was in fact an arrangement for two lutes by Chris Goodwin. It is
   in the music supplement of Lute News No. 44 (December 1997) which I
   have miraculously found in a cardboard box if you want a copy.

   Best

   Matthew
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Matthew Daillie]

I should have added that he has transposed the piece down a tone to use open 
bass strings for the ground.



> On Feb 22, 2017, at 5:05, sterling price  
> wrote:
> 
>Hi all--
>   I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
>   Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
>   arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
>   Thanks--
>   Sterling
> 
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> 
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Matthew Daillie]

Sorry, I meant to write 'O'Dette's version follows pretty closely the 
harpsichord version...'



> On Feb 22, 2017, at 9:49, Matthew Daillie  wrote:
> 
> O'Dette's version follows seems to be taken from the harpsichord version to 
> be found in the British Library Royal Appendix MS 58 (f.44v).. As well as 
> being published in the HAM Arthur referred to, it can be found in MB LXVI 
> (Tudor Keyboard Music 1520-1580). I can send you a scan of the latter if you 
> wish. I don't think you need to intabulate, the two-bar bass pattern is 
> always the same and the rest is divisions (with an alto voice a minor third 
> below added across a single bar).
> Best,
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:23, AJN  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sterling,
>> 
>> The harpsichord version is readily available as No. 103 in Apel and Davison, 
>> _**Historical Anthology of Music**_ 
>> (the famous "HAM" to countless generations of music history students). 
>> Widely available in most libraries.
>> 
>> Also see John Ward's article "The 'Dolfull Domps'" in _**JAMS**_ 4 (1951): 
>> 111-21. Ward's description doesn't seem 
>> to meet the fresh character of the "Lady Carey's Dompe." Today we are 
>> familiar with a similar term, e.g., "I've been in 
>> the dumps all week." 
>> 
>> It's such a famous, attractive piece, surely there must be a tablature 
>> arrangement around somewhere. --ajn
>> 
>> 
>> ===
>> On 02/21/17, sterling price wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all--
>> I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
>> Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
>> arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
>> Thanks--
>> Sterling
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
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> 

[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[Matthew Daillie]

O'Dette's version follows seems to be taken from the harpsichord version to be 
found in the British Library Royal Appendix MS 58 (f.44v).. As well as being 
published in the HAM Arthur referred to, it can be found in MB LXVI (Tudor 
Keyboard Music 1520-1580). I can send you a scan of the latter if you wish. I 
don't think you need to intabulate, the two-bar bass pattern is always the same 
and the rest is divisions (with an alto voice a minor third below added across 
a single bar).
Best,
Matthew




> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:23, AJN  wrote:
> 
> Hello Sterling,
> 
> The harpsichord version is readily available as No. 103 in Apel and Davison, 
> _**Historical Anthology of Music**_ 
> (the famous "HAM" to countless generations of music history students). Widely 
> available in most libraries.
> 
> Also see John Ward's article "The 'Dolfull Domps'" in _**JAMS**_ 4 (1951): 
> 111-21. Ward's description doesn't seem 
> to meet the fresh character of the "Lady Carey's Dompe." Today we are 
> familiar with a similar term, e.g., "I've been in 
> the dumps all week." 
> 
> It's such a famous, attractive piece, surely there must be a tablature 
> arrangement around somewhere. --ajn
> 
> 
> ===
> On 02/21/17, sterling price wrote:
> 
> Hi all--
> I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
> Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
> arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
> Thanks--
> Sterling
> 
> --
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> 
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[sterling price]

   Aurthur--
   Thanks for that info. I had seen the harpsichord version on Scribd, but
   no lute version there. O'dette's version is for 6 course lute and seems
   wonderfully complicated so I am hoping someone has it.
   Sterling
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   From: AJN <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
   To: spiffys84...@yahoo.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:23 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe
   Hello Sterling,
   The harpsichord version is readily available as No. 103 in Apel and
   Davison, _**Historical Anthology of Music**_
   (the famous "HAM" to countless generations of music history students).
   Widely available in most libraries.
   Also see John Ward's article "The 'Dolfull Domps'" in _**JAMS**_ 4
   (1951): 111-21. Ward's description doesn't seem
   to meet the fresh character of the "Lady Carey's Dompe." Today we are
   familiar with a similar term, e.g., "I've been in
   the dumps all week."
   It's such a famous, attractive piece, surely there must be a tablature
   arrangement around somewhere. --ajn
   ===
   On 02/21/17, sterling price wrote:
   Hi all--
   I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
   Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
   arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
   Thanks--
   Sterling
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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

[AJN]

Hello Sterling,

The harpsichord version is readily available as No. 103 in Apel and Davison, 
_**Historical Anthology of Music**_ 
(the famous "HAM" to countless generations of music history students). Widely 
available in most libraries.

Also see John Ward's article "The 'Dolfull Domps'" in _**JAMS**_ 4 (1951): 
111-21. Ward's description doesn't seem 
to meet the fresh character of the "Lady Carey's Dompe." Today we are familiar 
with a similar term, e.g., "I've been in 
the dumps all week." 

It's such a famous, attractive piece, surely there must be a tablature 
arrangement around somewhere. --ajn


===
On 02/21/17, sterling price wrote:

 Hi all--
 I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
 Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
 arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
 Thanks--
 Sterling

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[LUTE] Re: My Lady Careys Dompe

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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:05 PM, sterling price <
spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Hi all--
>I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul O'Dette on the
>Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is Paul's
>arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
>Thanks--
>Sterling
>
>--
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>
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you.MichaelMichael M. 
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ProgramMember, Board of 
Directorshttps://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B9TJhsqVKmGMNWhuR19WWXJYQU0export=download;
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:05 PM, sterling price 
mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu; 
target="_blank">spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
wrote:    Hi all--
   I am looking for My Lady Careys Dompe as played by Paul ODette on 
the
   Royal Lewters cd. Gathering from the liner notes I think it is 
Pauls
   arrangement of the harpsichord version. Any ideas?
   Thanks--
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