[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread David Van Edwards
And not to forget Stefan Lundgren's chamber opera on that very incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMkbZ3tfFjs Best wishes, David At 19:18 +0200 23/7/19, Lex van Sante wrote: The name of the violinist was Petit, who thought that his host (Weiss) had spoken against him when he was

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread Lex van Sante
The name of the violinist was Petit, who thought that his host (Weiss) had spoken against him when he was applying for a job in Dresden. Cheers, Lex > Op 23 jul. 2019, om 17:58 heeft howard posner het > volgende geschreven: > > The biter was a violinist. The bitee was Weiss. > >> On

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread howard posner
The biter was a violinist. The bitee was Weiss. > On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:45 AM, theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: > > Didn't a musician (lute player?) try to bite the thumb off another > musician? I can't remember the details- > I bet the disagreement was over tempered tuning.

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-23 Thread theoj89294
Didn't a musician (lute player?) try to bite the thumb off another musician? I can't remember the details- I bet the disagreement was over tempered tuning. They didn't have the internet back then. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread G. C.
Dear Howard, thanks for the coaching, but I have to say, that I really couldn't hear any significant difference. Only with the equal tuning one, which was different from the MT ones and more appealing somehow. It's probably due to age :) Best wishes G On Tue, Jul 23, 2019

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread howard posner
You might go back and listen to the first F chord, the fourth note of the piece, in the quarter-comma tuning a few times, then listen to the same chord in any of the other meantone tunings. It’s weird to the point of dissonance in the quarter-comma version, and very different from the others.

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread G. C.
Dear Rainer, when listening to Tarletone, which came in 4 versions, I have to say, that to my ears, they all sounded virtually the same, at least the 3 MT versions. For some reason, my ears prefered the equal temperament one, although I can't exactly say why. It felt more "crisp"

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-22 Thread Rainer
On 22.07.2019 04:15, Jurgen Frenz wrote: to my opinion it would be great if someone anyone would record an identical piece of renaissance music twice: once in equal temperament and once in a different tuning so that everybody can appreciate the difference. Of course, one thing that nobody

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread Jurgen Frenz
to my opinion it would be great if someone anyone would record an identical piece of renaissance music twice: once in equal temperament and once in a different tuning so that everybody can appreciate the difference. Of course, one thing that nobody mentioned in this discussion is our

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you Rafael, I am intrigued. Would you kindly tell us precisely how you fret your instrument? I mean the exact cents you employ for each fret, from fret one through to fret 10 for each of the temperaments you employ. regards MH On Sunday, 21 July 2019, 16:13:00 BST,

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread Rafael Muñoz Rodríguez
Dear all, I would like to share my thoughts on this matter, based on my experience as a gigging and recording musician. Since around 2006 I use a modified meantone temperament wich, in my opinion, works practically for fretted plucked instruments. I use it on my theorbo, my archlute

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread Matthew Daillie
OK, I stand corrected, you know best. Have a nice day. Matthew Le 21 juil. 2019 à 11:15, Martyn Hodgson a écrit : > Dear Matthew, > Thank you for his - though I really do not know why you suggest a > 'slanging match'!. My intention is merely to put some historical and > practical

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Matthew, Thank you for his - though I really do not know why you suggest a 'slanging match'!. My intention is merely to put some historical and practical perspective on the matter rather than simple personal assertion. To repeat: you are making the common mistake of

[LUTE] Re: Wishful thinking on lute temparaments was Re: Lute Temperaments

2019-07-21 Thread Matthew Daillie
I certainly do not wish to get into a slanging match here, I was merely responding to a request for practical help with temperaments. In my opinion, the prerequisite for that is to have some understanding of the basics of the theory and above all, to get one's ears used to hearing pure