Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 01:57:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, you wrote: The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted,

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 01:57:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, you wrote: The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted,

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 01:57:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, you wrote: > > The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by > > copyright to begin with. > > > > As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names > > can be

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-17 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 08:36:09AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: In a related thread somebody mentioned GPL wouldn't be good because some people use LyX for commercial purposes. I'd imagine the only thing being sold are the pdf or paper output (please let me know if you think I'm wrong), and I'd

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-17 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 08:36:09AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: In a related thread somebody mentioned GPL wouldn't be good because some people use LyX for commercial purposes. I'd imagine the only thing being sold are the pdf or paper output (please let me know if you think I'm wrong), and I'd

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-17 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 08:36:09AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > In a related thread somebody mentioned GPL wouldn't be good because > some people use LyX for commercial purposes. I'd imagine the only > thing being sold are the pdf or paper output (please let me know if > you think I'm wrong), and

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 15 June 2006 06:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread David Neeley
The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted, the actual outline and metric files cannot be. I have no doubt that in the current state of the law, the

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, you wrote: The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted, the actual outline and metric files cannot be. I didn't know that.

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their respective author, unless

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Stephen Harris
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Stephen Harris
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 15 June 2006 06:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread David Neeley
The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted, the actual outline and metric files cannot be. I have no doubt that in the current state of the law, the

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, you wrote: The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted, the actual outline and metric files cannot be. I didn't know that.

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their respective author, unless

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Stephen Harris
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Stephen Harris
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 15 June 2006 06:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: > > Comments within > > > > On 6/12/06, Steve Litt > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as "Licensed > >> under the GNU General

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread David Neeley
The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by copyright to begin with. As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names can be copyrighted, the actual outline and metric files cannot be. I have no doubt that in the current state of the law, the

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, you wrote: > The real first question is whether a layout file can be covered by > copyright to begin with. > > As I pointed out before, one good example is fonts. While their names > can be copyrighted, the actual outline and metric files cannot be. I didn't know

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: > Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should > have a copyright statement something like: > > "Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the > XXX license in the name of their respective author,

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Stephen Harris
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: "Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-16 Thread Stephen Harris
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 16 June 2006 11:50 am, David Neeley wrote: Finally, I do believe that if you wish to be covered, the wiki should have a copyright statement something like: "Files submitted to the wiki for general download are covered by the XXX license in the name of their

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2, or similar. Layout files are code, so the GPL fits them well.

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Steve Litt wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2, or similar. This is fine by me. In fact, I think a lot of the uploaded files contain copyright and license information. Others might

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2, or similar. Layout files are code, so the GPL fits them well.

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Steve Litt wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2, or similar. This is fine by me. In fact, I think a lot of the uploaded files contain copyright and license information. Others might

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as "Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2", or similar. Layout files are code, so the GPL fits them

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-15 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Steve Litt wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as "Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2", or similar. This is fine by me. In fact, I think a lot of the uploaded files contain copyright and license information. Others

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Oh, and Christian--I would suggest you be sure to make the copyright info static with editing disallowed. Legal boilerplate is *not* the place for community-wide editing! Hmm... ok, I just

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I've noticed with other wikis that it takes a considerable effort before the average user is sold on the concept, enough to go through the learning curve for the various tags. Unfortunately,

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread David Neeley
Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2, or similar. Layout files are code, so the GPL fits them well. Speaking for myself, I'd be hesitant to

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: Oh, and Christian--I would suggest you be sure to make the copyright info static with editing disallowed. Legal boilerplate is *not* the place for community-wide editing! Hmm... ok, I just

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I've noticed with other wikis that it takes a considerable effort before the average user is sold on the concept, enough to go through the learning curve for the various tags. Unfortunately,

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread David Neeley
Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2, or similar. Layout files are code, so the GPL fits them well. Speaking for myself, I'd be hesitant to

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: > > Oh, and Christian--I would suggest you be sure to make the copyright > > info static with editing disallowed. Legal boilerplate is *not* the > > place for community-wide editing! > > Hmm... ok,

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 09 June 2006 07:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: > > I've noticed with other wikis that it takes a considerable effort before > > the average user is "sold" on the concept, enough to go through the > > learning curve for the various tags.

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-12 Thread David Neeley
Comments within On 6/12/06, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why can't the original author label his or her contribution as "Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2", or similar. Layout files are code, so the GPL fits them well. Speaking for myself, I'd be hesitant to

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-09 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I've noticed with other wikis that it takes a considerable effort before the average user is sold on the concept, enough to go through the learning curve for the various tags. Unfortunately, IIRC wiki tags are just enough different from HTML and other

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-09 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I've noticed with other wikis that it takes a considerable effort before the average user is sold on the concept, enough to go through the learning curve for the various tags. Unfortunately, IIRC wiki tags are just enough different from HTML and other

Re: Layout copyright; was: Re: Sharing layout files

2006-06-09 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I've noticed with other wikis that it takes a considerable effort before the average user is "sold" on the concept, enough to go through the learning curve for the various tags. Unfortunately, IIRC wiki tags are just enough different from HTML and other