Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-21 Thread david kramf
Thank you. I will definitely look into Objective -C and RubyMotion metaprogramming and reflection abilities. David On May 19, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Colin Thomas Arnold Gray wrote: Just because RubyMotion is compiled doesn't mean it can't have metaprogramming and reflection abilities. These

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-19 Thread david kramf
Francis, I know nothing about RubyMotion but if I understand correctly it uses a compiler and not an interpreter. So I doubt if it can implement Metaprogramming and Reflection. If it does not , then it is not a Ruby . It might be an excellent language but not Ruby. To the best of my

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-19 Thread Benjamin Almeida
Hey David, Francis is right, MRI is leading the way, although there was an ISO standard released last year. The alternative implementations started the ruby specs, years before that so they could get their rubies to work as drop in replacement for MRI. There are other languages with variants

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-19 Thread david kramf
Hi Ben, I am writing an OS X project that relies on Metaprogramming and Reflection. Does not seem like RubMotion is an option for me. All the best, David On May 16, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Carolyn Ann Grant wrote: Thanks, Mark! Yeah, I know the price is more than reasonable, Mark, it's just

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-19 Thread Francis Chong
@ben thanks, this is very clear @david you can do reflection and metaprogramming in RubyMotion, but if you porting code from regular ruby (like those use missing standard library like singleton, delegate, or those missing API like eval string, method_define string) , it might need some big

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-19 Thread Colin Thomas Arnold Gray
Just because RubyMotion is compiled doesn't mean it can't have metaprogramming and reflection abilities. These features are not orthogonal to each other. It is true that most compiled languages DON'T have these features, but objective-c definitely DOES. For some light reading, check out (if

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-18 Thread david kramf
Francis, Ruby is very well defined language with a well defined standard. David On May 17, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Francis Chong wrote: @david depends on your definition on full ruby. I would say standard library is part is full ruby, where RubyMotion deliberately remove part of them @stephen

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-18 Thread Francis Chong
David Yes? I got an impression it's just matz implementation. BTW, do RubyMotion even run ruby spec? — Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:04 AM, david kramf dakr@gmail.com wrote: Francis, Ruby is very well defined language with a well defined standard. David On May

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-17 Thread Francis Chong
While I'm really happy about OS X support on RubyMotion, it is not a replacement for MacRuby.  IMHO MacRuby is far superior: It offer JIT compiler, you develop orders of magnitude faster as you dont need clean and rebuild every time. You have full ruby compatibility, load standard library

[MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Carolyn Ann Grant
Hi, I've got a question about the future of MacRuby. I like it, and have started working on a project or two using it, but I've been reading about GC and ARC, Ruby 2.0, RubyMotion and so on, and wonder where MacRuby is going? I'm quite concerned because I've put a good amount of time into my

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Michael Shantzis
Hello all (and especially Carolyn), I just want to say that I have the same question, specifically regarding the GC/ARC issue. The context in which this came up was very revealing. I had been developing a fairly complex Cocoa project (ARC enabled) and decided that I had to add some tests. Using

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread John Labovitz
Add me in as another questioner of MacRuby's future. (And thanks for bringing this up -- I'd been meaning to do so myself.) The GC issue is the most obvious, but I've also noticed a distinct lack of updates and general involvement by any of the maintainers. Looking at the already-sparse

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Jeff Dyck
Just wanted to add a ditto to this - I'm looking at migrating some old AppleScript Studio projects to MacRuby - my initial testing about a year ago was great, but it seems the stability of MacRuby as a development platform is in question to me at least... I've already been abandoned by

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Christopher S Martin
They recently added support for OS X to rubymotion: http://blog.rubymotion.com/post/49943751398/rubymotion-goes-2-0-and-gets-os-x-support-templates That said, since rubymotion is (I believe) based off of macruby with some additions specifically around static compilation of apps, I don't know if

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Mark Villacampa
I'm a longtime RubyMotion user, and MacRuby user before that. I want to share my view as to what is the current status of MacRuby and what can happen in the future. The momentum around MacRuby has been inexistent for almost a year and a half. That is, since Laurent Sansonetti (the original

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Shaun August
I would like to see Laurent and Hipbyte offer a paid version of MacRuby with the same pricing structure as RubyMotion. I'd buy it... -- Shaun On Thursday, 16 May, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Mark Villacampa wrote: I'm a longtime RubyMotion user, and MacRuby user before that. I want to share my

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Andy Stechishin
@Shaun: I think RubyMotion 2 is that offering. @Mark: Well said. I dabbled in MacRuby and thought it would be great if 'they' could get something going for IOS. MY first thought when RubyMotion came out was I needed to buy a license to support HipByte, I have never regretted this and bought my

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Shaun August
@Andy, I can't believe I missed that! Thanks! -- Shaun On Thursday, 16 May, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Andy Stechishin wrote: @Shaun: I think RubyMotion 2 is that offering. @Mark: Well said. I dabbled in MacRuby and thought it would be great if 'they' could get something going for IOS. MY

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Sean Mateus
@John Labovitz, you're able to run your ruby script in Rubymotion just like in Macruby, the only thing you'll need to do is to replace *#!/usr/local/bin/macruby *with* #!/Library/RubyMotion/bin/ruby *and you're ready to go. cheers, Mateus On Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:24:07 PM UTC+2, John

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Mark Villacampa
IMHO MacRuby and now Rubymotion apps deployment is really reasy. To create a release version of a .app in RubyMotion you just rake release and you're done. For cross-platform development with Qt, Tk or wx, the situation in Python has always been better than in Ruby. I don't know how we'll

Re: [MacRuby-devel] OS X10.9 MacRuby's future...

2013-05-16 Thread Carolyn Ann Grant
I've changed my mind. :-) I translated part of a project into Obj-C, and it just wasn't the same. I *like* the Ruby language, and while MacRuby has its foibles, it's still very good. Here's my reasoning: Apple isn't going to do a consumer release of 10.9 any time soon - according to the press