Re: on N900 after gainroot, executing shell script throws permission denied error.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 01:50:14PM +0200, koos vriezen wrote: 2010/7/21 praveen koduru prawin1...@gmail.com: Yes it has executable permissions but not able to execute the shell script. First line of shell script? Which should look like #!/bin/sh Note that your script must be in UNIX text format (i.e. only a newline and not carriage-return+newline like DOS/Windows text files have) Could be the filesystem too, eg. /home/user/MyDocs is on my device mounted with the noexec option. This would be my guess. I keep my shell scripts in /home/user/bin, and I've added that directory to the $PATH by putting export PATH=/home/user/bin:$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin in /home/user/.profile Marius Gedminas -- If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Dependency problems after PR 1.2 update to extras builder
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 06:00:25PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: No, I am not kidding. It was discussed here on mailing list and announced that Extras autobuilder will be updated to PR 1.2 compatible SDK and that resulting packages will be installable only on devices owned by Nokia employed people (and some from cooperating companies). Other users (and developers) have to wait for next firmware drop (which does not have release date as usual so it can be tomorrow or in next year). Now now Marcin, that's not what was said. what was said was that software built with the PR 1.2 SDK would probably only install on devices with PR 1.2 installed. That's not the same thing. True: *some* packages built with today's autobuilder do install on devices with PR 1.1.1 firmware. Some don't. ianaré, normally all you have to do is upgrade the firmware on your N900 to PR 1.2, as I understand it. Gladly. The problem here is that nobody has access to PR 1.2 firmware, except for some people working for Nokia. Regards, Marius Gedminas -- I dont know about madness (and anyway, the little green martians dancing around me tell me not to worry...), but I've implemented something not unlike this just now. -- Peter Sabaini signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: GSOC Project: eBook Reader
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:22:49AM -0400, Ajai Khattri wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Oliver Haag wrote: Okular should be a pretty good base, it supports many formats and is Qt-based (Hope there aren't too many KDE-dependencies...). I'll take a closer look at the source the next days. There's another eBook-Software in the repos called FBReader, maybe that is already known but wanted to write it here anyway in case it wasn't seen. I've tried it out and it doesn't seem to be touch-friendly but it looks like it supports more eBook-only-formats, maybe these could be ported (When the other things are running fine :D). You've been reading my mind haven't you? :-) It has to be said, Evince is pretty good for PDF (but I dont know if that build includes DJVU support?). I'm currently reading a PDF in Evince, and it's painful. The touch scrolling has weird and unintuitive inertia and is very slow to redraw, so you don't see where you're scrolling until it's too late. Marius Gedminas -- The memory management on the PowerPC can be used to frighten small children. -- Linus Torvalds signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: auto-start openvpn and udhcpc
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 10:25:48PM -0500, Jason wrote: I'm attempting to get openvpn on my N900 connecting to my existing openvpn server. The openvpn part works well. The automation part is trickier :-) First, how do I get openvpn to automagically start anytime I select a network to connect to? I'd like mail checks (which should pull up an interface on demand) to find my mailserver, which is only available via vpn. Good question. I suppose you already tried /etc/network/if-up.d/ and it didn't work? Second, I've found a script workaround for the gprs0 unnamed gateway issue, but I can't figure out the proper way to trigger udhcpc on my tap0. I've setup my openvpn infrastructure to use my dnsmasq server for dhcp and to use real dhcp clients to configure tap0 (one tool for one job [1]). This has worked great for years on desktop/laptop/embedded platforms. I tried adding tap0 to /etc/network/interfaces, but that earned me a dumb look. Isn't maemo supposed to be debian-based? It is; that doesn't mean nothing was changed. I cat'd the /proc/$PID/cmdline of udhcpc for my wlan0 which sent me on a script hunt and didn't yield, at least to me, a clean way to hook in or trigger it. Worst case you can listen for DBUS notifications to discover when the N900 gets online. Best case -- I hope you can find a script you can hook into. E.g. /etc/udhcpc/default.script might work. I also found that resolv.conf is changed in /var/run... That's normal for dnsmasq, as far as I understand. Incidentally, the script that modifies it is /etc/udhcpc/default.bound or default.renew Any ideas? thx, Jason. [1] http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html Regards, Marius Gedminas -- C is a language that combines all the elegance and power of assembly language with all the readability and maintainability of assembly language. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N900 Charging Issue
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:08:08PM +1300, Charles wrote: Hi all, has anyone had this kind of charging issues for N900? My problem was when I plugged in the USB cable into N900 it did not show up the mode selection dialogue and did not show any charging indication either. The same happened with the wall-charger as well. Sounds like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6004 It ought to be fixed in PR 1.1 firmware. Also, when i turned the phone off and plugged in the USB cable, the front LED flashed yellow twice and nothing happens. I am so annoying by this issue as I cannot charge the phone properly. Is this something related to the Maemo software? Marius Gedminas -- Never trust a computer you can't repair yourself. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: /home/maemo/user/MyDocs mounted in read only mode
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 05:09:06PM +0100, ac...@dsic.upv.es wrote: I am having problems with my N900 for some reason the directory /home/user/MyDocs esta montado en readonly mode. This happens when the OS detects filesystem corruption, which can happen if you write something to it over USB using mass-storage mode and then unplug without cleanly ejecting. Please, could some one tell me how to set it to read/write mode again. Connect the N900 via USB to a laptop and run a filesystem repair tool (On Linux: umount dosfsck -a; on Windows: uh, I forgot, I don't use Windows...). Cheers! Marius Gedminas -- We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Packaging questions
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:19:10AM -0500, Ajai Khattri wrote: Im trying to create my first Maemo package and I had a few questions: 1) This package has a main binary, but also has additional binaries/scripts and library files, so do I select 'Multiple binaries' when running dh_make ? There's some confusion here that I haven't seen addressed in this thread: binary can mean a binary execution file, which is what you're thinking about, or it can mean a binary Debian package, which is what dh_make is asking about. You most likely want a single binary deb that contains all your executables. Marius Gedminas -- ...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly). -- Matt Welsh signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: rx-51 xkb file: how does FOUR_LEVEL type work?
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 07:41:50PM -0800, Denis DeLaRoca wrote: Is /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose relevant at all? It defines an array of compose key combinations. But as defined in rx-51, the compose key, aka Fn + Ctrl, presently triggers the extension virtual keyboard and thus preempts the use of the compose key combinations, yes? Also, at least on desktops, Gtk+ ignores the X11 Compose definitions and uses its own builtin table, unless you explicitly set GTK_IM_MODULE=xim. Marius Gedminas -- This sentence contradicts itself -- no actually it doesn't. -- Douglas Hofstadter signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Older targets in Mammo 5 SDK?
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 02:46:10PM -0500, ma...@bitblit.net wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Marius Gedminas wrote: Check out this post about setting up multiple targets in your scratchbox: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ I currently have targets for mistral, bora, chinook, diablo and fremantle. I read the blog post but its not clear to me. I used the regular installer scripts to have FREMANTLE. I just want to add the DIABLO targets and binaries. What the installer script did for you was: * install scratchbox * set up a couple of fremantle targets Now you can do the rest yourself: * download diablo rootstrap * run the three 'sb-conf st', 'sb-conf rs', 'sb-conf in' commands for diablo O, hey, that blog post has no 'diablo'! No matter, it's basically same as chinook: sb-conf setup diablo-armel -c cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm -d perl:debian-etch:Maemo Community council election September 20083-tools:cputransp -t qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 sudo wget -O /scratchbox/packages/diablo-armel-rootstrap.tgz http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.1_armel.tgz sb-conf rs diablo-armel /scratchbox/packages/diablo-armel-rootstrap.tgz sb-conf in diablo-armel -e -d -F (Note: you run all these in your host system, not inside Scratchbox). Marius Gedminas -- Five words to strike fear into the heart of any software developer: 'How long will it take?' -- Sean McGrath signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Older targets in Mammo 5 SDK?
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:51:41AM -0500, ma...@bitblit.net wrote: Is it possible to have older targets inside the Maemo 5 SDK? For example, it would be useful to have DIABLO_X86 and DIABLO_ARMEL targets available. Check out this post about setting up multiple targets in your scratchbox: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ I currently have targets for mistral, bora, chinook, diablo and fremantle. Marius Gedminas -- lg_PC.gigacharset (lg = little green men language, PC = proxima centauri) -- Markus Kuhn provides an example of a locale signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Profiling applications (oprofile, others?)
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:45:43AM +0200, Alberto Mardegan wrote: Andrea Borgia wrote: Alberto Mardegan ha scritto: since fremantle's maemo-mapper is so horribly slow, I went and tried to run oprofile. AFAIK, it was very slow even on Diablo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4452 Believe me, it's even slower :-) About the map cache, I don't see much point of having it in a DB at all, I would just use the filesystem. Very old versions of Maemo Mapper did exactly that. Very old versions of Maemo Mapper felt faster to me than newer versions did. Hmmm. But I'll try to get all the developers of maps application to agree on a common place/format to store downloaded maps, in order to share it. That'd be nice. Marius Gedminas -- Get a life? Well, once I nearly found one, but the link was broken. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Find out Maemo version from script
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:37:23PM +0100, Alberto Garcia wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:21:58PM +0100, Cornelius Hald wrote: While developing inside the SDK I used /etc/maemo_version (which is provided by the package maemo-version) to alter the runtime behavior of some scripts. I think it's simpler to check the version of some installed packages (using e.g. pkg-config) And it's even better to check for the *features* you want, rather than the version of the software that has these features. Marius Gedminas -- At most companies, programmers aren't trusted with words that a user might actually see (and for good reason, much of the time). -- Joel Spolski signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Find out Maemo version from script
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:50:48PM +0100, Cornelius Hald wrote: I think I will use the osso-product-info command as this seems to be the best way for me to do it. With the other solutions I have some problems: * /etc/osso_software_version does not exist on my N900. * pkg-config is only for *-dev packages and does not exist (by default) on the N900. * Checking for the feature is not possible, as the feature is a bug in some preinstalled library and I don't know in which one. I need this check because I need to figure out whether or not this bug exists and if yes change a couple of files to work around it. So checking for the OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION with the osso-product-info command should work for me. This sounds very interesting. Can you tell use what the bug is and what files you need to change for the workaround? Marius Gedminas -- If the ancients were right and to think is to exist, does Microsoft exist? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to determine the model and hardware configuration Maemo device?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 06:16:42PM +0300, Arkady Glazov wrote: Is it possible to determine from a perl or shell script on which model it gets? And how can we determine how the localization device (keyboard) osso-product-info could help. IIRC in Diablo it required root for (part of?) the info; in Fremantle regular users can run it no problem. Marius Gedminas -- Never trust a computer you can't repair yourself. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Garage maintenance break
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:34:57AM +, Andrew Flegg wrote: does anyone know how long this break will be? Should I make new plans for today or will it be up soon again? Since I was planning on doing some Maemo development work this weekend, this has (potentially) scuppered my plans too. I've asked this before, but will ask it again: since out-of-hours for the people paid to work on maemo.org actually *conflicts* with most of the Maemo community's development time can we have a clear announcement: * On http://maemo.org/news/ and maemo-developers: * As soon as it is scheduled. * A few days before the break. * Containing the start and expected end. * Containing what services are expected to be impacted. * And another mail when it's completed. Apologies if such an announcement was made - but I didn't see it, and can't find it if it was. So, if it *was* made; it needs to be made more clearly next time :-) I was unable to find an announcement either. Since previous maintenance breaks used to be announced, I can only assume this downtime is unscheduled. Some kind of emergency? Marius Gedminas -- Attempts to stick to simple on-or-off options lead to monsters like gcc, which now has so many flags that programmers are using genetic algorithms to explore them. -- http://www.third-bit.com/~gvwilson/xmlprog.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Any new information on Developer Device Program?
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:21:28PM +0100, ds wrote: Christmas is approaching, and to me it is absolutly not transparent, what happend to a N900 Developer Device Program. Today I received an email from the N900 Developer Device Program saying that it is finally in stock and can be ordered. Marius Gedminas -- Any time somebody tells you that you shouldn't do something because it's unprofessional, you know that they've run out of real arguments. -- Joel Spolski signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: overlaid buttons
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 01:53:03AM -0600, kyle cronan wrote: The browser (when you're in full screen) and the media player (when you're browsing media) both have a little button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen that is overlaid over the main window content. How can I do this in my application with Hildon and GTK? I was under the impression that GTK doesn't support overlapping widgets. There's a package called hildon-extras that implements this kind of widget. It's called HeFullscreenButton, IIRC. Marius Gedminas -- I've been in the sun for a week. I took the bold step of leaving my laptop at home. I found only 4K messages pending when I returned. -- Keith Packard signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: can't install application to phone from local repository
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:37:21PM +0200, ibrahim wrote: I created a local repository to host some test applications for Maemo fremantle device - and YES, the repository folders are visible to the phone- Added some packages and ran the dpkg-scanpackages utility to generate the Package and Package.gz files with no errors. _the contents of the Package file :_ Package: hello Section: base ... opening the install file on the device with the Application Manager adds the catalogue to the catalogues list, the installation procedure starts saying:preparing for the installation, please wait but the Application manager says that it couldn't download the application : unable to download 'hello'. Application package not found. Where have I seen this question before? The Application Manager doesn't let the user install packages from Section: base. It doesn't let the user install packages from sections not starting with user/. I tried to download the application from the Xterminal application - using the gainroot program: apt-get install hello And surprisingly, the application manages to download and install ! the question is : What is wrong with the way i deployed the application that the Application Manager refuses to install it, yet it is downloaded from the command line ? Am i missing something? Command-line tools such apt or dpkg do not enforce the user/ section restriction. Marius Gedminas -- Doing linear scans over an associative array is like trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi. -- Larry Wall signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Packaging Libraries
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 02:13:57PM +0200, Jeremiah Foster wrote: The best way to go about it might be to first pull down your source package from upstream. Upstream is usually debian and that is easy to do if you are on a debian, or even debian-like, machine: `apt-get source libyou-want-to-port` Once that is done, you'll find that you have an original tarball (named usually libyou-want-to-port.orig.tar.gz) a diff tarball, a description file ending in .dsc, and the source package dir. The source package dir, i.e. libyou-want-to-port/ should contain a debian dir underneath. You can drop in there, change the maintainer name to yours, note the dependencies, add that you are maemoifying it to the changelog, and then build. Building is usually done in the libyou-want-to-port/ dir like this; `dpkg-buildpackage -D rfakeroot` That should be dpkg-buildpackage -D -rfakeroot. Or you can omit the -D, since it's enabled by default anyway. You want to do this in scratchbox of course since that is where the device's dependencies are kept, they should be identical to the device. Once this building is done, you should get a .deb and .changes file. The deb is now the binary archive you can use to install your lib. You can test this on the device and you can also follow the instructions on the maemo wiki on how to upload your resulting build. Of course, this all is a bit of a gloss, there may be issues, like other dependencies not yet solved, and/or versions that are out of sync, etc. But once you start this process, feel free to fire off questions to this list or on IRC #maemo with error messages and you should find that there are often people who will help you. I certainly will, but there are others as well who are very knowledgeable about the platform. There's also MUD Builder which attempts to automate most of the downloading-from-debian-patching-and-rebuilding steps: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ Marius Gedminas -- Unix for stability; Macs for productivity; Palm for mobility; Windows for Solitaire signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle fullscreen mode [was Re: Call for testers with N900 for vncviewer]
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:44:33AM +0200, Cornelius Hald wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 11:27 +0200, Luca Donaggio wrote: I'm no goot at finding names, but what about he_fullscreen_toggle_overlay? It's a good fit I think. Something shorter would be nice, though. I was thinking about the following names, but they have problems too: - HeFullscreenButton sounds like it is a very big button - HeFullscreenOverlay sounds like a very big overlay How does it work, Gtk-wise? Is it a widget you add somewhere into your widget tree? If so, where? HeFullscreenOverlay sounds like a GtkBin subclass that contains your main content area and draws the overlay in the corner when the app is fullscreened. HeFloatingFullscreenButton is too long, I suppose. Marius Gedminas -- After having done some test using hi-tech istruments (moving my mouse during a kernel build) [...] -- Davide Libenzi on lkml signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: can't install application to phone from local repository
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 02:04:38PM +0200, ibrahim wrote: Package: hello ... Section: base ... but the Application manager says that it couldn't download the application : unable to download 'hello'. Application package not found. The Application Manager lets the user install only those packages that are in sections starting with user/. It installs packages from other sections only as dependencies for user/* packages. The list of supported sections is in the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Sections HTH, Marius Gedminas -- Linux became only possible because 20 years of OS research was carefully studied, analyzed, discussed and thrown away. -- Ingo Molnar signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Optification breaks package on upgrade from non-optified older version
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 01:43:12AM +0300, Mikko Vartiainen wrote: What's the practical difference between upgrading and removing-then-reinstalling? (It probably shows that I haven't read the maemo-optify and python apps thread.) Maybe you could fix the upgrade problem by writing a suitable preinst script? I have noticed with upgrading from non optified packages to maemo-optified packages that directory links are not created. I've read somewhere that dpkg is unable to replace directories with symlinks. For example if I first have installed a package with a directory /usr/share/games/crimson and upgrade to a package which has optified directory /usr/share/games/crimson - /opt/maemo/usr/share/games/crimson, the link is not created because dpkg never removes /usr/share/games/crimson directory. Result is that I have empty /usr/share/games/crimson directory and all of it's content in /opt directory. Perhaps a solution is to have maemo-optify keep the directory structure in place and create symlinks only for regular files. I think it's a bug in dpkg or then we are just using it wrong. Workaround for this would be to remove the directory in preinst script or to install to another directory. But currently when all users are more or less beta testers I don't care about it. Removing the directory is a bit scary: what if other packages have files in it? This is maybe not applicable to this particular example, but I could imagine crimson-extra-levels or crimson-updated-sound-pack putting stuff there. Marius Gedminas -- question = (to) ? be : !be; -- Shakespeare signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Optification breaks package on upgrade from non-optified older version
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:21:54PM +0200, Thomas Perl wrote: In the latest version of gPodder (written in Python), I have started using maemo-optify. It saves around 1 MB according to maemo-optify's output. The problem is that now when a user upgrades from an older version to this version, it breaks (the user cannot start the application from the icon, and starting it from the command line tells me that Python can't find the gpodder module). That's a packaging bug, from the user's perspective. Uninstalling and re-installing the package fixes this problem, but I assume there will be lots of users upgrading from the current version in Extras (non-optified) to some optified version in the future, and they won't just try to uninstall and re-install it and assume that the application is at fault :/ Is it possible to fix that problem somehow? Or should I just disable optification? What's the practical difference between upgrading and removing-then-reinstalling? (It probably shows that I haven't read the maemo-optify and python apps thread.) Maybe you could fix the upgrade problem by writing a suitable preinst script? Another problem is the slower startup speed, which is really noticeable now. That's another reason why I would like to go without optification. Ouch. Have you done any measurements? Marius Gedminas -- Bumper sticker: No radio - Already stolen. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mbarcode/maemo-barcode dialog oddity and progress report
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:42:40PM +0300, Jody Fanning wrote: On 15.10.2009 10:57, Simon Pickering wrote: Why is it necessary to do a webscrape of Amazon. Amazon has plenty of simple APIs for getting data freely and easily. The REST based ones are extremely simple and you get back an XML document with everything you need. It quite possibly isn't necessary, this is certainly not my area of expertise, just something I wanted to get working ASAP. When I looked at how to do this I found a mixture of web scraping tools and ones that use Amazon Web Services. AFAIK AWS requires that you register to obtain a key, and I'm not sure of the exact terms and conditions, but I presume they will not want me to share my key, but I may be wrong about this. I'm pretty sure you are able to share the key. I do have an AWS account and have used it for my own stuff (in Java though). But all those applications around must have a key embedded since they never ask you to register yourself. There must be some other open source applications around that fetch data from Amazon using AWS. Calibre, for one. The key is embedded right there in the sources. I don't know if they're allowed to do that since I was too lazy to actually read the AWS agreement. (Shh! Don't tell anyone.) I applied for an AWS key, got two (one called access key, the other called secret access key), did some experiments with pyaws (a Python library for accessing the AWS). I couldn't get it to work with just the AWS key, I needed to supply both. I don't know how Calibre manages to do its thing with just one key (or maybe it's broken now -- I couldn't figure out the user interface and ran away screaming to invent my own library management system). Amazon did make things a little more complicated a few months ago though. All requests must be signed, This might mean that Calibre was using old unsigned requests at the time I looked at its source code. but they generally provide code samples for how to do everything. One thing is to check the licensing of the interfaces. There was something recently about different licensing between mobile devices and other uses that came up with the iPhone. But the advantage is that you won't have any problem with the page layout breaking things. Plus their APIs provide pretty much every detail about an item you could think of. Marius Gedminas -- Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life... -- R. B. Forest signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Uploading to Fremantle extras via Extras Assistant
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:59:05PM +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: uhm.. I've upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 and I think I've lost my keys? (WARNING: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file) But I am uploading via web interface, should not be an issue, should it? No, signing is not needed for EA. Can you upload the .changes file somewhere so we could take a look and try to guess why Extras Assistant is unhappy? One guess: I haven't changed anything and was working fine for fremantle-beta, do I have to do something? Are you trying to re-upload the same .changes file you've already uploaded once? You can't do that, you need to increment the version number and rebuild the source package. Marius Gedminas -- (Pdb) operationerr.w_value.w_value.w_value.w_value.w_value.w_value pypy.interpreter.executioncontext.OperationError instance at 0x5eee30 -- one of the clearer PyPy debugging sessions (seen in Michael Hudson's sig) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:43:05PM +0400, Marat Radchenko wrote: What's the point looking fast when in practice it is slow? Can't you just fix your app so it starts up faster? No cheating: 1. click an app 2. wait for app to appear 3. app appears 4. look at app screen, decide where you want to click 5. click etc. Time in step 2 is wasted and frustrating to the user Cheating: 1. click an app, get cached app screenshot 2a. app starts up in the background 2b. look at app screen, decide where you want to click 3. click etc. 4. wait until app finishes loading and reacts to the click There is a possible wait in step 4, but it is usually shorter. Win! Marius Gedminas -- HOST SYSTEM RESPONDING, PROBABLY UP... signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:37:10PM +0200, Joaquim Rocha wrote: What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can check this by going to the Settings-Text Input. You should be able to input extra characters by pressing Fn and then the Sym/Ctrl key. A dialog with extra characters pops up and all you need to do is tap on the desired one. Could this end your saga? :) If I'm to type Lithuanian text, I need to be able to enter these characters: ąčęėįšųūž ĄČĘĖĮŠŲŪŽ There's no ogonek, dot above or macron in the Fn+Ctrl palette. (BTW my preferred use for Fn+arrow keys would be to map them to Home/End/PgUp/PgDn. Tab on the on-screen toolbar is sufficient for xterm use and I haven't missed it anywhere else, well, except for xchat. Hm. Fn+Enter? Convince xchat to use the tab character entered from the Fn+Ctrl popup for nick completion instead for inserting a literal ASCII \t?) Marius Gedminas -- You can't have megalomania. *I* have megalomania. -- Joe Bednorz signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: ssh permission denied
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:10:55AM -0600, Jeffrey Barish wrote: Kees Jongenburger wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Jeffrey Barishjeff_bar...@earthlink.net wrote: There was an update to openssh recently. Since installing it, I cannot ssh to the N800. ... try using ssh -v n810 to get more information about where is goes wrong Your suggestion to try ssh -v led me to debug mode for sshd: /etc/init.d/ssh stop /usr/sbin/sshd -d I discovered that user user was not allowed because account is locked. /etc/passwd had ! as the password for user. I changed it to *, at which point I was able to ssh in. It's hard to imagine what the openssh upgrade did to create this problem. Thanks for the response. Thank you, you've just saved me from a painful evening of debugging. Marius Gedminas -- Hi. I'm the I love you .signature virus. You have been infected. Please panic immediately. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: how to reload /etc/pointercal?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 02:56:34PM +0800, Alex T. W. LEUNG wrote: Dear Marius, Can you kindly share the bug id to us? Found it at last: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1728 -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Marius Gedminas Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:51 PM To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: how to reload /etc/pointercal? At one point you needed to reboot after performing a calibration for changes to be noticed. There was a bug in Bugzilla that was closed at some point, so I assume now there's a way to get it to reload without rebooting, but I don't know what it is Some people (myself included) frown at top-posting. Marius Gedminas -- The typewriter was invented by Hungarian immigrant Qwert Yuiop, who left his signature on the keyboard. -- Kim signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: how to reload /etc/pointercal?
Well, it doesn't seem that there's an answer forthcoming to this... On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 01:05:19PM +0800, Alex T. W. LEUNG wrote: Hi maemo developers, I would like to ask questions about the internal of ts_calibrate. After the touch screen calibration, it will update /etc/pointercal. Now, it seems Xomap needs to reload that file. My question is, how to notify Xomap to reload /etc/pointercal? Any command line tools that may do this job? At one point you needed to reboot after performing a calibration for changes to be noticed. There was a bug in Bugzilla that was closed at some point, so I assume now there's a way to get it to reload without rebooting, but I don't know what it is Marius Gedminas -- It's possible to describe anything in mathematical notation. I recall seeing some paper once in which someone had created a mathematical description of C. (I forget whether or not this included the preprocessor.) As an achievement, this is somewhat like building a full-size model of the Eiffel Tower out of tongue depressors. It's clearly not the act of a talentless man, but you have to wonder what he said when he applied for his grant. -- Mencius Moldbug signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: multiple SDKs on the same sbox
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 05:17:12PM -0800, Daniel Monteiro wrote: Hello folks, long time since my last email here. I've been silently developing my games for Maemo,but now here I am with a new question regarding Freemantle: Can I have Freemantle and Gregalle in the same sbox? This used to work with older SDK versions, see http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ I haven't tried Fremantle yet. Marius Gedminas -- Think different? I'd be happy if most people would just think... signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:34:39PM -0600, Frank Banul wrote: I use vi. I have not had the pleasure of learning Emacs. For my understanding, is it possible to define a list of files or directories in a project and then search for instances of used variables and how they are used? Same question for functions. GNU id-utils is great for that. Run mkid to build a keyword database, use gid/lid on the command line for searching. This integrates with vim's built-in :grep facility, see :help quickfix.txt, section 5.4 Using :grep with id-utils. ctags is the complement to that: it finds definitions rather than uses. See :help tags. I've been told that cscope can do the same thing (find both definitions and uses), but I'm not personally familiar with it. I did a quick google search and didn't find either of these capabilities illustrated. I see color syntax support. I know vi has auto indentation and I assume emacs does as well but can they go as far as selecting blocks of code and auto indent? Absolutely. '=' is the vim command for reindentation, and it works in visual mode. I don't know about Emacs (tab reindents the current line; I've never figured out how to reindent larger blocks -- I only ever use Emacs when pair-programming with an Emacs user). Another killer feature of both vim/emacs is keyword completion: start typing a name, then hit a key to complete it, from the corpus of all the names used in the current file/included files/the whole project (if you've built a ctags db). Sort of a dumb, but lightning-quick IntelliSense. (vim also has smart autocompletion, called omnicomplete, but I rarely use that -- Python programs are *very* hard to statically analyze). Marius Gedminas -- One picture is worth 128K words. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox ide
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:46:23PM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/20 Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com: I'm curious what development tools you use? Textedit is nice and all but I'm sure that there are better tools. I would be interested in an editor that supported more code oriented tasks. Any suggestions? Emacs? I have pretty extensive code-oriented needs, and it meets all of those (and more). And vim :) Vim and Emacs are incredibly great, if you're willing to invest the time in learning to use them well (a couple of days for basic tasks, weeks for real proficiency, and then you'll still be learning new tricks for years). It'll pay off in the end, if you do a lot of coding (or other kinds of text editing). It's sort of like learning to touch-type. Marius Gedminas -- Those who can't write, write manuals. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 WE
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:46:28PM -0500, John Holmblad wrote: Andrew, thanks for sharing that link. The point about Samba support being dropped after recently being added makes me wonder what is going on here. Wait, what's this about Samba being dropped? Marius Gedminas -- Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the microsoft approach to programming and should never be allowed. -- Linus Torvalds signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: gtkmozembed: why kill itself in destructor?
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 02:27:04PM +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:
ext Zhihai Wang wrote:
Deal all,
In EmbedPrivate.cpp,
EmbedPrivate::~EmbedPrivate()
{
sWindowList-RemoveElement(this);
sWidgetCount--;
mNeedFav = PR_FALSE;
if (mProgress)
mProgress-Shutdown();
if (mEventListener)
mEventListener-Shutdown();
mOwningWidget = nsnull;
if (sWidgetCount) return;
gboolean bval = FALSE;
if (gtk_moz_embed_common_get_pref
(G_TYPE_BOOLEAN,gtkmozembed.no_destroy_on_last_window, bval) bval)
return;
int pid = getpid();
EmbedCommon::DeleteInstance();
EmbedGlobalHistory::DeleteInstance();
kill (pid, SIGUSR1);
kill (pid, SIGKILL);
}
Why shall we kill pid in the end? Can't the program exit normally?
AFAIK it can be quite a bit faster.
Normal process exit goes through a lot of destructor code,
freeing things that are anyway freed by the operating system
when process terminates. Browser is threaded, so maybe that
the destructors use locking too...
That's what the _exit() function from unistd.h is for, isn't it?
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Re: xterm cant escape so my cursor is homeless (echo -e \033[H)
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 07:11:48AM -0600, tz wrote: I just tried to do some basic cursor movement using ansi sequences, but they don't work in the standard xterm. I know vim and other things work but they may be using the panels or some other library. Is this just not implemented, or does it use something completely non ANSI/VTxx? It is essentially the same as GNOME Terminal, which is more or less xterm-compatible. What exactly did you try? echo -e '\033[H' makes the cursor jump to the top-left when I try it. Marius Gedminas -- If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress? signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Does Apple's Bonjour work on Maemo?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 01:45:05PM +0200, Shengye Lu wrote: I tried to cross-compile a service-discovery enabled application, which depends on Apple's mDNSResponder library. My question is: is it possible to cross-compile mDNSResponder library in scratchbox, and make Apple's service-discovery mechanism work on Maemo? My own experience is: compiling mDNSResponder library need root permission, but in scratchbox, we have no real root permission. So my cross-compiling mDNSResponder library in scratchbox failed. There's always fakeroot. Avahi has been compiled for Maemo, and AFAIK it has a mDNSResponder compatibility layer. IIRC Avahi may be included in the next Maemo version (Freemantle), so I'd recommend looking into it. Marius Gedminas -- TCP_SeqNum - The 32-bit Sequence Number, encoded as an ASCII string representing the hex value of the Sequence number. This field MUST be sent as lower case because it is not urgent. -- RFC 3093 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Needing help with dead unit.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:43:11PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:00:20AM -0700, Tim Ashman wrote: On Wednesday 29 October 2008 08:30:51 am Ryan Abel wrote: Did you go to the correct page for your unit? I did, not only that when I was on the phone with tech support I asked him to check my ID number and he told me it was invalid... But offered no way and I asked how I could straighten this out. he asked me where I purchased it, I offered to send him a jpg of the unit showing the sticker, etc. Nothing not interested in really helping me. The clock issue seems to be known: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14362 Your wrong ID number is really puzzling though. If i remember correctly your ID is the mac address of your tablet network interface (without the :). You can get this value by launching /sbin/ifconfig on a terminal when the wifi network is available. Or /sbin/ifconfig -a even when wifi is down. Or Control Panel - Device - About. But any of those is hard to do when the device won't boot, so the sticker on the box is the only way. Be sure you try to download a n810 firmware with a n810 mac address, or a n800 firmware with a n800 mac address. That is the most likely explanation. If you go to the page for the wrong model, it will reject valid IDs with the invalid ID message. Marius Gedminas -- Lisp-style macros [...] are to C-style macros what Emacs is to cat. -- Jacek Generowicz signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Adding basic Maemo apps on Hildon Application Framework
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:09:42PM +0100, piotr maliński wrote: I've installed Scratchbox and Maemo SDK, I've installed a x86 target with all packages. The Hildon Application Framework works in Xephyr but it's empty - no apps. What packages I have to install to get basic apps under HAF? like a browser or terminal? I haven't used Scracthbox for GUI testing for a long time, but in older SDK versions the terminal app was preinstalled. You cannot get any of the closed Nokia apps (such as browser, file manager, pdf reader, media player etc.) in Scratchbox. Marius Gedminas -- Those parts of the system that you can hit with a hammer (not advised) are called hardware; those program instructions that you can only curse at are called software. -- Levitating Trains and Kamikaze Genes: Technological Literacy for the 1990's. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: python gtkhtml problem
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:15:19PM +0200, Nyul Zoltán wrote: I have problem with import gtkhtml in python. I'm getting this: Traceback (most recent call last): File simple-browser.py, line 1, in ? import gtkhtml2 ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2 I have scratchbox 4.0.1 and maemo-sdk 4.1 I installed python2.5-sdk, python2.5-gtk2,python2.5-gtk2-dev, python-gtkhtml2, python2.5-gnome, python2.5-gnome2, python2.5-gnome2-extras, python2.5-gnome2- extras-dev Why python can't find gtkhtml? Could it be that you're using the wrong python? If you run 'python' in Scratchbox, I believe you'll get python2.3 that came with Scratchbox rather than 2.5 that you installed all those extra packages for. You need to run 'python2.5' explicitly. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- As an aside, UPnP's implementation (which features SOAP, HTTP over multicast/broadcast UDP, and extremely odd XML) is a must-read for fans of unnatural and baroque network protocols. -- Anthony Baxter signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: RE: Integration with hildon desktop
On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 09:00:42AM -0600, Jeffrey Barish wrote: Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Just to be on the safe side - put a 64x64 icon in scalable/ as well. A lot of applications only have scalable and 26x26 icons, and that seems to work fine. Thanks for the suggestion. I copied the icon in the 26x26 directory to the scalable directory. I still get the default icon on the navigator bar. It still seems likely that I have something wrong in my .desktop file. Here is what it contains. Perhaps someone will notice something. I don't see anything, but I remember problems caused by trailing spaces in this file. There don't seem to be any, but maybe they got lost during the copy paste into the email. [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=My_application GenericName=My_application Exec=/usr/bin/my_application.sh Type=Application X-Icon-path=/usr/share/icons Icon=my_application X-Window-Icon=my_application X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true X-Osso-Service=my_application X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable Marius Gedminas -- Anybody who doesn't cut his speed at the sight of a police car is probably parked. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Log-in to scratch-box without using password.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 03:23:18PM +0530, atul raut wrote: How to login to Scrach-box without password is there any way ? When I run sb-login, I'm never asked for a password. Marius Gedminas -- Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Packaging changes to base system.
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:34:28PM +0300, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Hello, 1. The iptables package that is installed is missing a few .so files (MASQUERADE, DNAT, etc.). With a few changes to the files in debian/ directory of the source package, it now also generates a new package iptables-ext, which includes those missing files. The question is how to distribute this: Is it acceptable to upload this to extras-devel (using the autobuilder) even though this creates the same package as in the base system? And should I increase the release number (which will cause problems with osso-software-version) or use the same? I believe the application installer won't allow you to replace a base package with a version from a different repository. Can you package just the missing files in the iptables-ext, so it would coexist with the base package? 2. In order to language name in input setting dialog, rather than empty parentheses, the language needs to appear in the binary files in the directory /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/, provided by the package (with no source) locale-resolver-data. I wrote a small program to generate those files from a source file. The package I created now includes those files with different names and the postinst script to rename them, since otherwise it will conflict with the original package (again, required by osso-software-version). Is there a better way to achieve this? Yes, it's called dpkg-divert. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html Marius Gedminas -- As an aside, UPnP's implementation (which features SOAP, HTTP over multicast/broadcast UDP, and extremely odd XML) is a must-read for fans of unnatural and baroque network protocols. -- Anthony Baxter signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Provisional results of the Maemo Community Council elections
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:57:42AM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: Congratulations :) I like it, the one I voted is in there. He won't betray me, will it? :) It? Have we got ROBOTS masquerading as humans among our council? :-) Marius Gedminas -- All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo locales
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 09:00:30PM +, Danny Milosavljevic wrote: is there an (official) document somewhere describing which locales and charmaps are available on Maemo? (Especially details on UTF-8 support) Hm, no replies to this one for almost a month? Let me try. You can find a list of available locales and charmaps by opening a terminal and running locale -a and locale -m respectively. UTF-8 support is pervasive; in fact only UTF-8 locales are available. Marius Gedminas -- If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hildon_file_chooser_dialog_new() can not get the wanted files
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:49:52PM +0300, learning maemo wrote: I use the function hildon_file_chooser_dialog_new() to choose and open files. But I can not get the correct folders and file names. For example, I just got two folders: Nokia N800 and bluetooth. I hope to get the file MyDocs/*.*. If possible, how can I get it? These should all appear under the Nokia N800 entry, if you expand it. Marius Gedminas -- Suppose you went back to Ada Lovelace and asked her the difference between a script and a program. She'd probably look at you funny, then say something like: Well, a script is what you give the actors, but a program is what you give the audience. -- Larry Wall signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PowerVR MBX driver for Maemo?
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:18:10AM +0900, KwangYul Seo wrote: After deparately looking for OpenGL ES driver for Maemo, I've found that Nokia does not provide the PowerVR MBX driver for OpenGL ES 1.1 for some reasons. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 It says that this does not mean that Nokia won't support OpenGL ES forever. Is there any schedule on this? No. When can I create OpenGL applications on Maemo? Never. Well, maybe when Nokia releases a N900 based on different hardware, but don't hold your breath. 3D is not a requirement for the tablet's use case, which is web browsing. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- ...the only place for 63,000 bugs is a rain forest signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WM and bad position and size of non hildon apps.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:47:03PM +0300, Antonio Aloisio wrote: This morning I was thinking about the wrong position on the screen of the non hildon applications. Eg: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/screenshots/1.png What do you mean by wrong position? The white bar between the title and menu bars? It's drawn by the theme engine, as far as I know, and it's supposed to be there. Marius Gedminas -- If nothing else helps, read the documentation. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: documentation in .deb packages
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:10:26AM +0400, Andrew Zabolotny wrote:
I'm trying to understand the machinery that automatically removes the
documentation file when installing them on tablet.
apt-cache show docpurge
cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge
cat /usr/sbin/docpurge
So far my packages
install a few files in /usr/share/doc/${pkg}/ and for some reason they
are not autoremoved.
Did you use apt to install them, or did you use dpkg directly?
Some more complex packages also have documentation inside the .deb
file, but at some point it is removed, although I don't get at which
(install-docs in postinst it seems?)
Later. After apt-get finishes its work, it calls docpurge. If you
don't use apt-get, docpurge is never called, hence my question about
calling dpkg directly.
Can somebody explain how this works and what I should put in the .rules
to generate the correct postinst hooks.
You don't need to do anything.
Sure, I can just remove dh_installchangelogs dh_installdocs and there
simply won't be any docs in the .deb. However, it's a matter of
principle :-)
If you're building a package specifically for Maemo, then by all means
remove the docs from the deb! You'll reduce the download size, and
save some flash memory from wearing out sooner.
HTH,
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Re: Problem to setup an icon to an application
On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 03:32:19PM +0200, Torello Querci wrote: I try to set an icon file to a my application. The program seem to run fine without error on console but the icon still the same, the generic application icon setup by default. This is a sample file taken from maemo tutorial where I add the gtk_window_set_icon_from_file(window,icona.ico,NULL); Is the .ico format even supported by Gtk+? Usually people use .png. I strongly suspect the relative pathname is not going to work. You should pass an absolute filename, such as /usr/share/myapp/icon.png. Also, I believe the window manager in Maemo (matchbox) wants to determine the icon from the .desktop file corresponding to your app, rather than from the _NET_WM_ICON property that gtk_window_set_icon_from_file. Now you have three things to check, any of which could be the cause why your icon is missing. Marius Gedminas -- C is for Cookies. Perl is even better for Cookies. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Modest/TinyMail problems (continue from the blog comments)
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 05:23:29PM +0200, Luca Olivetti wrote: En/na Philip Van Hoof ha escrit: So I can only recommend checking out the code and trying to implement them. No, I won't, for 2 simple reasons: 1) I'm not a C/C++ coder (I can make the occasional patch if there's no other way, but I really hate those languages) and 2) I already can use a program that already does what I want. Out of curiosity, what is the program that can deal with 26,000-message folders and runs on the Internet Tablets? Regards, Marius Gedminas -- But perhaps ISO's central secretariat follows just the common industry practice pioneered by Microsoft: We will get it right in the third release. -- Markus Kuhn on ISO 10646 PDF CD-ROM edition signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: bugs.maemo.org minor feature update
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:40:57PM +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Just a quick note, that some custom features have been implemented in bugs.maemo.org. Most notably bug 2035 [1] and bug 3158 [2]. In a nutshell, some roles and the reporter are now indicated for each comment. Also, the original report now holds the same meta information. Nice! Marius Gedminas -- The gates in my computer are AND, OR and NOT; they are not Bill. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: More autobuilder problems (armel only)
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:08:37PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Ed Bartosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 15:57 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote: I'm /fairly/ certain it's not related: an earlier build also failed, without generating a 28MB summary. Can you point me out to the initial sources, please? I'll look what's the issue there. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vim_7.0/sources/ It looks like a native Debian package (i.e. the debian/ thing is inside the tarball). How hard would it be to get mud-builder produce non-native Debian packages (i.e. .orig.tar.gz + .diff.gz + .dsc)? Marius Gedminas -- My mail reader can beat up your mail reader. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: More autobuilder problems (armel only)
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:18:41PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:08:37PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vim_7.0/sources/ It looks like a native Debian package (i.e. the debian/ thing is inside the tarball). How hard would it be to get mud-builder produce non-native Debian packages (i.e. .orig.tar.gz + .diff.gz + .dsc)? It /should/ be relatively trivial. I'm not sure, OTTOMH, whether it'd need any cleverness to handle upstream Debian sources which will already have a .diff.gz and then may have further Maemo patches. Hm. This is slowly drifting into the let's just use a Distributed Version Control System territory. Apart from being slightly more consistent with the Debian way, I suppose the key advantage is that it's potentially easier for someone to try and apply the .diff.gz to a different upstream source if the original maintainer gets hit by a bus? Or is just busy/on vacation. I also think that having a Maemo diff would make porting to new Maemo versions easier: you get to see all the places that needed Maemo-specific modifications. Hm. Suddenly I'm not sure there are any advantages over just trying to rebuild the already-patched source tree, and fixing errors on the go. Any other reason I'm missing? The other reason (at least for Debian) is that when you fix packaging bugs, you only need to upload the .diff.gz and therefore save bandwidth. I don't know if this is currently applicable to Maemo, but if supported, it would help people with low bandwidth trying to debug package build problems on the autobuilder. Marius Gedminas -- To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Too many categories in Application Manager
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:51:01AM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/36089 Did we ever come to a consensus on whether command-line packages should be in user/, and - if so - what suffix? I've personally decided that yes, they should (I don't want to have to gain root just so that I could install ping, less or vim). I don't know about the suffix. Something like Terminal Applications or Applications for Terminal might look good in the Application manager and by referring to the built-in Terminal app hopefully give the right impression to users not familiar with Linux. I've uploaded vim to diablo-extras-builder (building now) - Yay! Good! but there's no GUI. Probably for something like that it should try opening a terminal running vim, I suppose. Vim is a special case: there's a GUI version (only it wasn't ported for Maemo) that would make perfect sense for a menu item. But what about something like ping or less? Having these in the task navigator menu makes no sense whatsoever, while having them in an advanced corner of non-root-requiring installable packages makes perfect sense. But what about other stuff, like bsdgames? Leave out of user so normal users don't get confused? I wouldn't mind an option '[ ] Show command-line applications' in the app manger. I don't think red-pill is that option: I never want to see libraries and other supporting packages in the app manager's list. In other words, having that option would mean a change in the packaging infrastructure (is user/cmdline/foo a valid section name?) TBH, I think this is symptomatic of design flaws in App Manager: I almost always use all - which gives a lot of noise, but at least it means I can see what packages are available. I don't think the flaw is in the App Manager as much as it's a flaw in the packages, or perhaps the Maemo packaging guidelines. I remember looking at the list of the official categories and not finding anything that fit my purposes. Marius Gedminas -- I'm not sure what makes a given poem 'modern'... Well, one characteristic sometimes found is... to put it politely... creative typography. Very creative typography. -- Henry Spencer on the chores of typesetting modern poetry signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: (update2) Is array implemented in bash ...?
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 07:06:32PM +, Darius Jack wrote: update2 (I do hope you don't get it htmlized, as Rich Text is disabled) Installed bash, run bash in busybox I'm not sure I understand what you mean run bash in busybox. Did you mean scratchbox? code works fine from terminal unfortunately trying to run shell file, file.sh How exactly are you running it? $ ./file.sh should work if file starts with #!/bin/bash $ bash file.sh should work always, and $ sh file.sh will use ash to run file.sh. it is still run by ash shell (not removed yet, as some claimed it may crash a system) so arrays don't work #!/bin/bash doesn't work Could you be more specific? Do you get a No such file error, or do you get errors you usually see when file.sh is executed by ash? Marius Gedminas -- Cool. Does it also recode ISO10646-1 pcf files into the funny permutations and subsets used a long time ago in a galaxy far far away on the planets Isolatinus XV and Koiruski VIII ... -- Markus Kuhn inquires about libXft signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Modest/TinyMail problems (continue from the blog comments)
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:31:28AM +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 00:57 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:24:24PM +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote: I continue here a discussion you can find in this post: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2008/06/24/big-day-for-modest-and-tinymail (Just read the comments). snip Please let me know what do you think about it. I want all the messages, and I want them in threaded view. I believe Modest does the former, but not the latter. FWIW it's not that I want it very badly (hey, I still use ssh + mutt from my tablet more often than I use Modest), but Andrea asked for an opinion poll and I replied. I honestly didn't expect a reply from the Tinymail author. :-) I'm also not convinced that a device with such a small screen could provide a useful view when threaded. It's not the tree structure that's important, it's grouping of messages by thread. I receive multiple mailing lists into a single inbox, and then it's hard to keep track of an interesting discussion when multiple threads from multiple lists are all intermixed in date order. I believe GMail does this (collapses the thread into a conversation, but doesn't show the tree structure). I think grouping E-mails together based on discussion, so basically a one-level Tree instead of a multi-threaded threaded view with each reply recursively going deeper ... I believe that makes a lot more sense. Right. I'd even say the tree is not needed at all, just keep messages belonging to the same thread together. Also if it's a tablet that you are unlikely going to be using for handling more than ten mails per day and that functions as your secondary E-mail client (your primary is either KMail, Evolution, Outlook or Thunderbird, right?). Mutt. And yes, I use Modest to check for new interesting emails rather than deal with all the incoming stream. Anyway, join Tinymail's mailing list if you want to discuss the service- side of the story. The UI side is always going to be a Modest's team decision. Best way to ping those people is to make a bug for Maemo in the product Mail or Modest (I forgot which is being used atm). Last time I looked they used the Garage bug tracker. Now I see a Modest component in bugzilla. And hey, my wish is there already: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2674 Marius Gedminas -- Favorite MS-DOS error message: Drive C: not ready, close door. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Modest/TinyMail problems (continue from the blog comments)
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:25:18AM +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 10:48 +0200, Luca Olivetti wrote: I'm currently tunneling imap through ssh with compression enabled. That's a good temporary solution indeed. Note that your SSL layer might already do compression, in which case the SSH tunnel will just add latency to your connection. I like SSH tunnels for my IMAP connections because (1) I don't have to set up an externally-visible IMAPS port, and (2) I can use SSH key authentication (and therefore ssh-agent) instead of a username/password pair for IMAP. For (2) you need support from your IMAP client (offlineimap, fetchmail and one of the three popular desktop ones -- Evolution/Thunderbird/Sylpheed -- support it). I hadn't yet thought about the possibilities of compression and the disadvantages of latency. Marius Gedminas -- Bumper sticker: Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Installing xulrunner on N810
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 09:08:21AM +0530, jitender singh wrote: I have done the same as stated in http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ to install xulrunner on myN810 OS2008, except that i extracted xulrunner in /media/mmc2/, because i don't have much space in /opt. This doesn't work when i tried to run mybrowser-0.2.2.xulapp application. /media/mmc2 is mounted with noexec, so you cannot run applications from it. mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc2 as root should solve that (temporarily, until next reboot). Marius Gedminas -- Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Modest/TinyMail problems (continue from the blog comments)
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:24:24PM +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote: I continue here a discussion you can find in this post: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2008/06/24/big-day-for-modest-and-tinymail (Just read the comments). snip Please let me know what do you think about it. I want all the messages, and I want them in threaded view. I believe Modest does the former, but not the latter. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- No proper program contains an indication which as an operator-applied occurrence identifies an operator-defining occurrence which as an indication-applied occurrence identifies an indication-defining occurrence different from the one identified by the given indication as an indication-applied occurrence. -- ALGOL 68 Report signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: key press/release behavior of the Menu key
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:03:55PM -0400, Andrew Barr wrote: I have noticed something strange when playing with Xomap under GPE on my N800 tablet (Angstrom distribution on an SD card). All keys except the Menu key behave as one might expect, sending a KeyPress and KeyRelease event when that event occurs. Menu sends both at once when the button is depressed and nothing is sent on key-up. Can someone comment on this behavior, if it's not a fluke of my software environment? This doesn't happen on my N810. I get the KeyRelease event when I release the key. Marius Gedminas -- I am Lalo of deB-org. You will be freed. Resistance is futile. -- from the sig of Lalo Martins signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scratchbox2 environment
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 01:41:16PM -0700, Joshua Layne wrote: I have gotten a sb2 environment set up on my debian etch machine by half upgrading it to lenny (testing) where necessary. sb2 seems to mostly work, but I cannot actually install anything using apt-get. When I run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, I get the following: /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory This is harmless. dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege This is not, but the fix is simple: you need to run apt-get under fakeroot. Marius Gedminas -- QOTD: A child of 5 could understand this! Fetch me a child of 5. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 as a home automation/monitoring remote
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:15:40PM +0100, Mike Ferguson wrote: I think I'd like to try to use my N800 as a remote terminal for home automation/monitoring and would like some advice about whether I'm thinking along the right lines. I saw this demoed at the Linux-MCE booth during LinuxTag 2008. http://www.linuxmce.org/ http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Nokia_N800 Is anyone aware of a similar project that I can borrow ideas from? See above. Regards, Marius Gedminas -- ...the only place for 63,000 bugs is a rain forest signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Garage Misconfiguration?
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:56:52AM -0400, Andrew Barr wrote: Is anyone else being spammed by garage.maemo.org with the same message saying logo contest is now open? I seem to be getting a new one of these in my inbox about every thirty minutes. I only got four copies so far. Marius Gedminas -- I want patience, and I WANT IT NOW! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Portrait Maemo app
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 05:36:02PM +0100, David Greaves wrote: I think my discomfort comes from the weak run-time type checking and the verbiage... check.set_active(TRUE); seems so much less error prone; especially for people who have to pick up this new toolkit (and that's got to be important for attracting developers to Maemo and making their early experience pleasant). I mentioned gtkmm (hopefully not a sensitive topic) a moment ago - what are peoples thoughts on that? Vala is very interesting to me because (1) it's a high-level language that is (2) compiled to C. You ought to get all the benefits of, say, PyGtk (high-levelness, intuitive syntax, no repetetive mucking around with typecasts) without the disadvantages (high memory usage). Marius Gedminas -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald Knuth signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo on Nokia N810
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:00:41PM -0500, Amita Ekbote wrote: I am a Newbie to hacking the nokia N810. I am trying to write an application with a front end in python and back end in C++ (already written) . I have flashed the nokia N810 and installed the SDK already. I followed all instructions from maemo site. I have 2 problems 1) The hello world program in C given for testing the SDK doesnt work on the GUI. I have xephyr running where there is an image flash(not sure if that is wat is supposed to happen ) and I get the following error in scratchbox helloworld[3149]: GLIB WARNING ** GLib-GObject - IA__g_object_new_valist: object class `GtkWindow' has no property named `label' helloworld[3149]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget main:calling gtk_main helloworld[3149]: GLIB ERROR ** Gtk - file gtkcontainer.c: line 2745 (gtk_container_propagate_expose): assertion failed: (child-parent == GTK_WIDGET (container)) aborting... Aborted (core dumped) Weird. Admittedly, I haven't attempted to run the hello world in Xephyr in a long time. 2) In the focus of trying to get the SDK running I overlooked the RD mode instructions while flashing. Do we need that to write applications in python? (I have'nt done my homework on this yet i.e still reading up but a lil guidance wud help) No, you don't need RD mode to develop applications. Marius Gedminas -- No sane person should use frame buffers if they have the choice. -- Linus Torvalds on lkml signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: policy: maemo packaging policy -draft
Hi! On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:32:22AM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: A draft version of the maemo packaging policy is available for commenting: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf If you're packaging software for maemo, please take a look at it. * Testing on a device with no extra packages is a hard to do, unless you have two devices, or you're not actually using the one you have. I wish we had a complete hardware emulator so that you could test package installation on a pristine rootfs in a virtual machine. * Interactive prompts from maintainer scripts (such as asking where do you want to stick this new thing in your menus) are annoying for the user. I'd be inclined to add a sentence or two saying that these SHOULD be avoided where possible. * Splitting translations has a question about Debian/Ubuntu. I'm not a developer of either, but as far as I know Debian ships translation files for all languages in the same .deb that contains the software, while Ubuntu collects all translations from a big group of related packages into a language-pack-$group-$languagecode, so you end up with language-pack-lt, language-pack-gnome-lt, language-pack-kde-lt and so on. The Ubuntu solution is only possible because they release the whole stack at once. As stated in the policy document, the comments and questions on this policy should be mailed to the maemo-developers mailing list with word policy in the subject. This thread qualifies. ;-) Marius Gedminas -- I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still more complicated. -- Poul Anderson signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Having trouble installing the scratchbox development environment.
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 07:25:09PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:56:58 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 03:46:28PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm following the instructions in http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ as advised by Graham Cobb, and have run into a snag. Been there, done that, have a working scratchbox. I seem to off track now. Things are not behaving as I expect from the instructions. Running the next commend in the list gives me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sb-conf rs mistral-armel /scratchbox/packages/mistral-armel-rootstrap.tgz You dont have active target in scratchbox chroot. Please create one by running sb-menu before continuing sb-conf: No such target: mistral-armel sbrsh-conf: No current target It looks to me as if you skipped one step from that list. The command sb-conf st mistral-armel -c cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm \ -d debian-sarge:maemo3-tools:cputransp:doctools:perl:maemo3-debian \ -t qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 creates the mistral-armel target, and the next command sb-conf rs mistral-armel /scratchbox/packages/mistral-armel-rootstrap.tgz unpacks the rootstrap inside it. Then the last command sb-conf in mistral-armel -c -e -d -F does some extra configuration steps, but I've forgotten what those are (symlinking libc headers and tools like fakeroot into the appropriate places inside your target, IIRC). And sb-menu gives me a lot of choices without explaining what they mean. What, for example, is a target? Sort of like a chroot. A directory that contains all the tools needed for building packages for a particular Maemo version and CPU architecture. If 'mistral', 'bora', and 'chinook' are targets, isn't setting them up what these instructions I'm following are supposed to do? Yes. It looks as if things have changed since these instructions were written, or else that my installation has been derailed somehow and I should wipe it and start over, with a different debconf priority. Nah, forget debconf. You've got scratchbox installed -- check. You've got a scratchbox user -- check. Now you need to set up the targets for cross-compilation. If you screw up in a target, you can always nuke it with rm -r /scratchbox/users/$username/targets/$targetname* and start fresh with the sb-conf st/rs/in trio (or, to use longer command name aliases, sb-conf setup/rootstrap/install). I feel like I'minstalling slackware again, but without the handy few pages of paper telling me what's going on. Oh, yes. Some assembly required indeed. Is there documentation somewhere that could tell me what's going on behimnd the scenes? -- what all these commands do and need to do? Certainly! http://scratchbox.org/documentation/ By the way, if you run a recent distro with a recent kernel, you'll get other problems in the future. Errors like I'm running lenny with its up-to-date kernel. Thanks for warning me what's coming, Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph-p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! are fixed by echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled and mmap: Permission denied is fixed by echo 4096 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr Do these have to be reentered every time I reboot? Yes. If you don't want to do that, edit /etc/sysctl.conf and add vm.vdso_enabled = 0 vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 in there, then those commands will be automatically executed on every reboot. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- Please note that I only check linux-utf8 on Tuesdays when they happen on a tenth of December, so please CC me with any replies. -- Juliusz Chroboczek signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Having trouble installing the scratchbox development environment.
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:29:21PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:56:58 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: (Actually, two, because http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html also worked for me, and seems a bit simpler to set up. It's not the official way though, and it's an early alpha version, so beware.) Had a look at http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html, and found the following fateful lines: First, set up the following entry to your /etc/apt/sources.list file on your Debian host. This will add the maemo-sdk host build tools repository. If you have Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10 on your host, please, add the following line into /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ubuntu-gutsy free To install for Ubuntu Hardy 8.04, please, use the following URL: deb http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host ubuntu-hardy free It seems to leave out the crucial line for a Debian host. After going to http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host/dists I see three distros there: ubuntu-gutsy ubuntu-hardy experimental The install page also says This ALPHA-2.5 version of Maemo SDK+ has been tested on Ubuntu Gutsy and Hardy running on 32bit i386 architecture. It is recommended to use Ubunty Gutsy/Hardy Server but maemo SDK+ should work also with Debian unstable and testing. Is anyone from the maemo-sdk garage project reading this list? Anyway, they have their own list, and forums, and a bug tracker, so you may want to raise the question about Debian support there. Marius Gedminas -- I once asked an older coworker and Solaris guru what happened with the Unix-haters list. He told me that it stopped being quite so funny once Windows NT came along. -- the gnat at slashdot signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Problems with larger buttons in HButtonBox
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 07:55:14AM -0400, James Ferris wrote: I'm quite new to this, and while I've managed to navigate installation, basic application building and using Glade to produce interface xml, I've run into a hitch. I have a horizontal button box that requests a size of 150x150 for it's children, and the buttons themselves are set to expand (and to try it, even set a request of 150x150 for each button) which shows up fine in Glade, but when I run it in the emulator, each button area is the full 150 by 150 pixels, but the button appearance is that of three and a bit buttons stacked on top of each other like bricks. They expand to fill the 150 width, but not the height. Instead, they repeat to fill the height. Screenshot? I've seen something like this on osso-xterm with the vertical toolbar. Large toolbar buttons were drawn stacked, because the theme assumes a fixed button height. If I throw one button into the vbox, it will expand to fill the whole space, but not when I put it into a hbuttonbox inside the vbox. have tried this from Glade's xml, and from direct coding, and it doesn't seem to work for me either way. Marius Gedminas -- This host is a black hole at HTTP wavelengths. GETs go in, and nothing comes out, not even Hawking radiation. -- Graaagh the Mighty on rec.games.roguelike.angband signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: maemo Bug Jar #7
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 08:46:04AM +0200, Luca Olivetti wrote: En/na Stephen Gadsby ha escrit: 61 bugs were closed: I noticed that some of the bugs are marked as fixed in diablo, and that's not really useful unless you release diablo rsn or provide updated packages for chinook. Still, it is more useful than having no feedback whatsoever. FWIW launchpad.net has two different bug statuses: Fix committed means that the bug will be fixed in the next release, and Fix released means the user can actually upgrade right now to get the fix. When you do a search for a bug, you get fix comitted bugs in the results list. This prevents you from filing new duplicates for a bug that's already been fixed. Personally, I'm disappointed that when a bug is closed as fixed in diablo, as a user I've no idea how to get the updated package on my N810. I've got scratchbox handy, just point me at the new source package and I'll backport it -- but repository.maemo.org has no 'diablo' in dists/. Marius Gedminas -- Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. It makes sense, when you don't think about it. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Having trouble installing the scratchbox development environment.
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 03:46:28PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I'm following the instructions in
http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/
as advised by Graham Cobb, and have run into a snag.
Been there, done that, have a working scratchbox.
(Actually, two, because http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html
also worked for me, and seems a bit simpler to set up. It's not the
official way though, and it's an early alpha version, so beware.)
When I get to the point of creating the bora rootstrap, it tells me:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sb-conf rs mistral-armel
/scratchbox/packages/mistral-armel-rootstrap.tgz
ERROR: You don't have a Scratchbox user account!
You need to run
sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser $USER
you'll get prompted whether you want to add $USER to group 'sbox';
answer yes and then log out/log back in, or run the following commands
in a subshell spawned by 'newgrp sbox'. The 'su - $USER' trick might
also work; I hadn't known about it, but it makes sense.
One relevant point: The instructions said, when it asks for users to add
to scratchbox, just choose your user (and whomever might want to do
scratchbox development on the box). But it has never asked for users.
Perhaps your debconf priority is set to a high level, so you don't
get asked unimportant questions like that ;-)
How do I fix this up after the fact?
With sbox_adduser.
By the way, if you run a recent distro with a recent kernel, you'll get
other problems in the future. Errors like
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *)
ph-p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
are fixed by
echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
and
mmap: Permission denied
is fixed by
echo 4096 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr
HTH,
Marius Gedminas
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Re: Where did the name Maemo come from?
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:49:57PM +0300, Tuomas Kulve wrote: Paul Bloch wrote: Today I was wondering, what is a maemo? Just wondering what the origins of the name are, anyone know what a Maemo is? Maemo is a name from a name generator. IIRC the generator was 'pwgen'. Marius Gedminas -- niemeyer I'm wondering why we have defineChecker() defined twice with exactly the same implementation under zope.security.checker... niemeyer Is it some kind of high-availability system? :-) -- #zope3-dev signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:23:15PM +0200, Robert Schuster wrote: So the answer is no. As long as Maemo's goal is not 'providing a 100% free platform' as well I[0] will not contribute[1] to it and I expect that with more and more freedom respecting projects/products you will have a hard time finding people who do. This is what I had in mind in my LinuxTag maemo.org presentation: there are people who will not want to contribute to Maemo just because Nokia does not completely adhere to the free software principles. By that I did not mean to imply that Nokia should put free software above their bottom line. My point was that Nokia should evaluate the extra value received from free software zealots (this word is probably too strong, but I don't have the time right now to pick a better one) with value lost from opening their proprietary components. Unfortunately I'm no economist and I cannot evaluate either. Looking at the increasing popularity of free software in the IT sector it seems to me that free software benefits outweigh proprietary benefits, but this is not a choice I can make for Nokia; it's one Nokia has to make for themselves. Marius Gedminas -- As of 2.91, these bugs have all been fixed. We look forward to new ones, well, not exactly... -- libstdc++-v3 FAQ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: sqlite3 CLI?
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 09:31:39PM +0200, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: Do you know the reason for that? No. I also wondered why someone took the time to edit debian files to remove it from the build, it does not look like the most productive thing to do :-) Maybe it saves some trees? Is there a bug filed on bugs.maemo.org for restoring the command-line tool? I did not file any since removing it was intentional and nobody missed it (except me). Well, there are now three people who miss it, so I'll go and file the bug. Here it is: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3215 Marius Gedminas -- When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. -- Robert A. Heinlein signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: sqlite3 CLI?
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 09:32:09AM +0200, Frantisek Dufka wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which package do I need to install to have the sqlite3 command-line tool available ? There is no such package in SDK repository, you should install sqlite3 but this one is disabled in maemo patch for sqlite3 so you need to rebuild it from source and revert part of sqlite3_3.4.1-1osso3.diff.gz patch which disables it. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sqlite3/ Do you know the reason for that? Is there a bug filed on bugs.maemo.org for restoring the command-line tool? I had same problem some time ago, my build for chinook is here http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/sqlite3_3.4.1-1osso3_armel.deb Marius Gedminas -- Remember the... the... uhh. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008
Hi! On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 01:28:23PM +0200, Robert Schuster wrote: I finally subscribed to this list because I think the time is right. Welcome! I attended LinuxTag 2008 in Berlin/Germany a few days ago. Quim Gil and other people from Nokia and the Maemo community were there. In the first Maemo talk Quim invited the community to speak out to Nokia (Btw: really Nokia or just the OSSO team?) and I want to participate therein. If you attended the first talk I was the guy asking to raise your hand if you want to see the Nokia IT devices being freed of all proprietary software in one way (install a different OS) or another (make IT OS 100% free itself). I was one of those who raised their hands. Without knowing anything from inside OSSO/Nokia in this regard I still hope that those reasons apply more or less to them because I want to base this year's Campaign for Software Freedom on Nokia IT devices (tm)[2] on them. ;) What the campaign is hoping to achieve is the following: 1) Users should be able to install any compatible OSes on their Nokia IT devices they wish like one can do on their desktop computers. Please add and have all the hardware working properly, because you can already install Debian or Poky on a Nokia IT. 2) It should be possible to port and put Maemo on other non-Nokia devices like it is possible to e.g. port Fedora to any machine. If I'm not confused about the terms, Maemo already consists of only the open-source parts. The software that comes on a Nokia IT is called the Internet Tablet Operating System, and it is based on Maemo with a lot of non-free parts added at various levels of the software stack. Perhaps what you want is to make Maemo complete -- by adding the missing closed parts such as the virtual keyboard/handwriting input plugins, status bar applets, etc. Regards, Marius Gedminas -- We can tell Nokia what we want. We can't tell Nokia what to do. If a comparable device with a more open platform appears, I will happily switch, just like I switched from the closed Palm to the half-open Nokia Internet Tablet. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 discount code frustration
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:05:04AM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: I was one of the winners of the N810 discount code contest (being a developer of aMSN) and I'm having serious issues with it. Mainly the Spanish Nokia store is to blame, but I am sick and tired of calling them and I'd like to get some help. I don't really know if this mailing list is the place to get some help, and I'm sorry in advance if I'm inadvertently spamming everyone, so I'd be glad to be redirected somewhere else if needed. I'm afraid none of the people here (including the ones who work at Nokia) have influence over how the discount codes are managed. Aren't big corporations wonderful? Anyway, here is the story: snip In my experience you'll need someone living in one of the approved countries to buy the N810 with their own credit card. Yes, this is incredibly frustrating for those of us who are second-class citizens in Nokia's eyes. I hope you'll manage to get a working discount code, if the one you originally got doesn't work any more. Marius Gedminas -- At most companies, programmers aren't trusted with words that a user might actually see (and for good reason, much of the time). -- Joel Spolski signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: developing xkb mappings
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:59:22PM -0400, Tim Tisdall wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm completely new to some of this stuff... I recently got an iGo Stowaway keyboard and wanted to type with it in Dvorak on my N800. I managed to hack together some changes to the xkb files so I can select English (dvorak) from the list of keyboard layouts, but I was hoping to refine the symbol mapping more to use some of the extra keys available. I need to be able to read the scancodes sent by the keyboard, but I haven't been able to figure out a way to do that yet in Maemo. Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? A bit. You can use xev to see the keycodes (raw scan codes are irrelevant for XKB -- they get converted to keycodes that the X server then sees). Once you have the key code, you can find the key name used in XKB files by searching through /etc/X11/xkb/, or by running $ xkbcomp :0 -|grep '= 65;' SPCE = 65; (where 65 is the keycode) The XKB configuration files are documented somewhere on the web. This is the page I've bookmarked, although I'm unable to access it right now (server timeout): http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/index.html You can load an xkb file with $ xkbcomp myexperiment.xkb :0 and if everything goes wrong, reset the keyboard mappings with $ setxkbmap An working ssh session helps a lot, although I suppose the on-screen virtual keyboard can't be broken by XKB either. Marius Gedminas -- ...the only place for 63,000 bugs is a rain forest signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: developing xkb mappings
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 08:10:56PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: The XKB configuration files are documented somewhere on the web. This is the page I've bookmarked, although I'm unable to access it right now (server timeout): http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/index.html And here's another resource: http://pascal.tsu.ru/en/xkb/ Marius Gedminas -- Hi. I'm the I love you .signature virus. You have been infected. Please panic immediately. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Autobuilder for extras repository public beta
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 05:36:27PM +0200, Niels Breet wrote: A while ago we discussed the idea of an autobuilder for the extras repository. [1] We have been working on creating such an autobuilder and have been testing it in private. As a result we now think it is time to do a tests with a larger group and make it publicly known. Please give it a try and tell us your results. This is wonderful news! Marius Gedminas -- C, n: A programming language that is sort of like Pascal except more like assembly except that it isn't very much like either one, or anything else. It is either the best language available to the art today, or it isn't. -- Ray Simard signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Gtk error from ComboBoxEntry
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:43:23AM -0600, Jeffrey Barish wrote: I am getting the error message AttributeError: 'gtk.ComboBoxEntry' object has no attribute 'get_cells' I suppose that this error must result from a maemo abridgement because the gtk documentation describes this method (in gtk.CellLayout). A ComboBoxEntry installs the renderer automatically, so how am I supposed to get it so that I can change its attributes? This function appeared in Gtk+ 2.12. Maemo 4.0 has Gtk+ 2.10. Marius Gedminas -- Despite all appearances, your boss is a thinking, feeling, human being. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Porting packages from debian
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:55:27AM +0200, Ryan Pavlik wrote: Graham Cobb wrote: On Tuesday 22 April 2008 08:58:29 Arto Karppinen wrote: If i get a debian package sources from debian website and compile it in Maemo, what should i do to debian/* files? ... - Should i change myself as maintainer when i have no idea about the internals of the lib? Personally I would say yes, and I do for the packages I build. It doesn't seem sensible to leave the maintainer set to a person who has never even heard of Maemo and would not know how to contact me if someone contacted them about a packaging problem. If someone had a real query about the code I could always pass it on to the Debian maintainer. ... Ubuntu discussed this same thing, and ended up adding Debian Maintainer or similar field to the control file. You might want to google for that and follow their lead, so that debian derivs get some sort of de-facto standard there. XSBC-Original-Maintainer. But then what do you do when you port a Ubuntu package that already has both Maintainer: (the ubuntu person) and XSBC-Original-Maintainer: (the debian person) in debian/control? Marius Gedminas -- This message has been ROT-13 encrypted twice for higher security. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Porting packages from debian
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:21AM +0100, Graham Cobb wrote: - Should i add something to the package version, like lib_1.2.3-mypkg1, or something? I tend to do that if I have made some substantive change. So, changes to the build process wouldn't count, but changes to the behaviour of the code would. In my experience, the most common change is to disable building things like documentation (which the tablet will delete if you install, and which often has complex dependencies) which probably doesn't need a version change. Debian package versions are composed of several parts: upstream version, a dash, and then the packaging version. (Pedantic nitpick: Debian-native packages have only a single version field). Any change in the packaging should result in an increased package version. I usually apppend -mg1, -mg2 etc. to the end, to clearly indicate what my version of the package was based upon. Now if you don't actually change anything in debian/*, but just rebuild, that's the only time when you can keep the old version. I think. But others may decide differently! Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Marius Gedminas -- 99 little bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code, fix one bug, compile it again... 101 little bugs in the code signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: swap not a substitute for virtual memory
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:13:54PM +0100, Tony Green wrote: For what it is worth, after I removed /usr/bin/metalayer-crawler, my system went from being completely unusable for anything but being a broken alarm clock to being relatively useful. metalayer-crawler's generally only a system-hog at bootup, so shouldn't cause many problems unless you completely shut down and reboot your device rather than just suspending it. I must admit to being surprised how badly it slows the system down, since according to the init file, it apparently should be running with a niceness of 19, so should pretty much only get CPU time when nothing else requires it. Perhaps it should be ionice'd as well? Heavy I/O may hog the system down even if the process is niced. What I/O scheduler does Maemo use? ionice only works with CFQ. Marius Gedminas -- IBM motto: If you can't read our assembly language, you must be borderline dyslexic, and we don't want you to mess with it anyway -- Linus Torvalds signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: BECOMEROOT
Good afternoon! On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 01:10:41PM +0100, sebastian maemo wrote: Thank you very much to the developers and maintainers of the pages: http://mg.pov.lt/770 That would be me. because they had a folder for MAEMO distributions (that is ITOS 2006) with the package BECOMEROOT in it, and now they had ERASED it completely. Not quite -- I moved becomeroot 0.1 deb to a different folder (obsolete) because there was a new version of becomeroot out there (0.2) that had quite different behaviour, and I wanted to avoid confusion. (I don't think I ever removed a package completely. Maybe once, when the package in question was so broken that it could brick your device.) Nevertheless, http://mg.pov.lt/770 has kept a folder called obsolete with a package becomeroot in it, but it doesn't work. Please define doesn't work. I had used it successfully on my 770. Note that becomeroot 0.1 allowed you to do sudo su to get a root shell, while becomeroot 0.2 was changed and had you use sudo gainroot instead. I don't know what precisely you expected, but if you ever installed becomeroot form my repo, you should be able to sudo su. It's great that they help us so much. I'm glad you appreciate it. I've just reflashed my 770 and won't be able to easily become root again unless I buy an N800 and install BORA on it. There are many ways of getting root that are a bit simpler than that. (Although I would recommend getting a N800 or N810, as the hardware is nicer than the 770.) I wish I had downloaded and saved the deb packages. Now I'm fucked. Fucking thanks. Have a nice day! Marius Gedminas -- Be yourself. Especially, do not feign respect for technical incompetance. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK on Ubuntu
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 05:22:58PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Luca Olivetti wrote: En/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrit: I bought an 8Gb EEE PC for use as a mobile development platform for maemo (amongst other things :-). Now Im wondering how much disk space I need for Scratchbox + Chinook SDK + Xephyr? This is the space used by scratchbox+sdk, fresh install, under mandriva, so debian packages may be different. $ du -sh /mnt/disk1/maemo/ 1.7G/mnt/disk1/maemo/ Yeah, I just did a full install and Ive used around 2Gb of space. I ran Xephyr and started the emulator under it successfully so all is well. But the emulated environment doesn't appear to have any apps installed inside it - is this normal? Yes. IIRC by default you only get xterm and a hello world app. Marius Gedminas -- Why do geeks think Halloween and Christmas occur on the same day? Because 31oct = 25dec! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Pulseaudio on Maemo
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 03:05:37PM -0400, Kwan Hong Lee wrote: Has anybody got pulseaudio to work on Maemo 4.x? That would be *awesome*. Marius Gedminas -- If you are angry with someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes... then you'll be a mile away from them, and you'll have their shoes. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Init script woes
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 05:58:42PM +, Tony Green wrote: I wonder if anybody can shed any light on a strange (and annoying) problem I'm having persuading dpkg to install init scripts for a package. I have an init script in the right place in my development tree (~/httpd-2.2.8/debian/init.d), hd_installinit is un-commented in ~/httpd-2.2.8/debian/rules and when I manually un-pick the .deb file, data.tar.gz correctly contains ./etc/init.d/httpd. But... when I actually install the package, I end up without an init file. The problem appears to be somewhere in the configuration phase, as if I unpack the package, I see /etc/init.d/httpd.dpkg-new but when I then configure the package, it disappears. Running with debug and some tracing suggests that it's being deleted by whatever process runs just before my postinst script is called. Have you solved this problem already? If not, perhaps this might be relevant: http://www.davidpashley.com/blog/2008/02/05#confmiss This is happening with the latest version of the development environment, but reverting to the OS2007 version, it's also happening there. But the fact that I DID have an init script in place suggests I've somehow managed to get this to work at some stage in my early development work (I forgot to include deletion in the postrm script, so it must have been left there by an earlier attempt.) It does sound like you stumbled on the exact same feature that's described in the blog post. HTH, Marius Gedminas -- While preceding your entrance with a grenade is a good tactic in Quake, it can lead to problems if attempted at work. -- C Hacking signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Access to apt-get or dpkg from the application
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 11:51:08AM +0200, Michael Stepanov wrote: I just would like to know if there is a common way to access apt-get or dpkg from the application? I need it to perform automatic installation several packages. Some of them are placed in the different repositories or can be just downloaded from the web. So, idea is to run a simple application which will install them without user interaction. As a user, I do not like this idea. I'd rather use a .install file (which in OS2008 can add multiple repositories in one go). I don't remember if .install files can specify more than one package to install, but it's simple to build an empty metapackage that depends on all the packages you want. Marius Gedminas -- When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets a little crowded. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What is the difference between GtkImage, GdkImage, GdkPixmap and GdkBitmap?
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 05:36:43PM +0800, LIU Chun Hung wrote: I don't know the difference between these types(GtkImage, GdkImage, GdkPixmap and GdkBitmap) although I have read the GTK and GDK API Reference Manual. Disclaimer: IANAEGD (I Am Not An Experienced Gtk+ Developer). GtkImage is a widget that you can stick into a window to display image data (stored in a GdkImage). GtkPixmap is a widget that you can stick into a window to display image data (stored in a GdkPixmap). The difference between an image and a pixmap is that the image is stored on the client and transfers pixel data to the X server on every redraw request, while a pixmap is stored on the X server. Usually this is more efficient, but if you plan to modify the image, you cannot use pixmaps. A GdkBitmap is a *bit* map: it's a 1-bit per pixel image, usually used for things like transparency maps. Suppose I want to create a new RGB bitmap with 3 x 3 in size and I want to set all pixel values to be 0. After clicking a button, all pixel values will change to 255. Which one of the above types should I use? Should GdkImage be used as I can see there are functions to change the pixel values (gdk_image_put_pixel) in this type, but not in other types. You would use a GdkImage to manipulate the pixels, and a GtkImage to display it. Marius Gedminas -- All programs evolve until they can send email. -- Richard Letts Except Microsoft Exchange. -- Art (found on the Snort web site) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Curious: Maemo devices other than Nokia?
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 12:28:42PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 06:42:00PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: Firstly, one needs a VKB. now hildon-input is mostly open source, Is it? The framework, yes, but I think the actual virtual keyboard and handwriting recognition plugins are closed. The input framework is OSS and it includes a example VKB. I believe the example VKB is different from what is included in ITOS. Ah, that's good to know! Oops no, xterm uses hildon_gtk_im_context_show() to show the vkb, which is only available in maemo version of *gtk+2.0* - what a lovely layering violation. What layering violation? osso-xterm is entirely based on gnome-terminal (libvte, actually). The name is a bit misleading -- it's not related to the real xterm, it just performs the same function. The layering violation is including a function hildon_gtk_im_context_show() inside *gtk-2-0*. As opposed to in libhildon. I see. I misunderstood your original statement. Marius Gedminas -- CBQ is merely the oldest kid on the block - yet it is by far the least useful qdisc and also the most complex one. I advise *against* using it. This may come as something of a shock to many who fell for the 'sendmail effect', which learns us that any complex technology which doesn't come with documentation must be the best available. -- Linux Advanced Routing HOWTO signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Curious: Maemo devices other than Nokia?
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 06:42:00PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: rant Firstly, one needs a VKB. now hildon-input is mostly open source, Is it? The framework, yes, but I think the actual virtual keyboard and handwriting recognition plugins are closed. but when you have a real distribution, it's a lot more annoying that only gtk2 applications have input. Acceptable, at least we have osso-xterm - Oops no, xterm uses hildon_gtk_im_context_show() to show the vkb, which is only available in maemo version of *gtk+2.0* - what a lovely layering violation. What layering violation? osso-xterm is entirely based on gnome-terminal (libvte, actually). The name is a bit misleading -- it's not related to the real xterm, it just performs the same function. snip So now there is a hildon-desktop, terminal, network-manager and a vkb. Only such minor details as web browser is missing, and the themes/icons having a funny license. But it just a matter of sorting all pieces together to get fully OSS rootfs built out of Debian to support the basic use cases of internet browsing, email and so on. But not fast battery charging. IIRC. Marius Gedminas who would love to see a pure OSS alternative to IT OS. -- If it wasn't for C, we'd be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: explanations of the recent download problems
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 02:29:01PM +0200, Ferenc Szekely wrote: I owe you an explanation about the problems we faced with the firmware downloads, repository.maemo.org and the windows update wizard server backend since Xmas till the beginning of Jan. Thank you for the open and informative reply. As a techie, I'd like to know more about how the content distribution network happened to cache HTML error pages for many of the packages on repository.maemo.org. Did the error pages come with long cache expiration headers by mistake, or does the CDN tend to assume URLs ending in .deb never change? Marius Gedminas -- Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: n810: Light Sensor (?)
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 01:32:26AM +, Neil MacLeod wrote: Deleting or renaming /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so (and rebooting) is an effective way to stop the light sensor from randomly and inappropriately changing the display brightness[1] even in a well lit environment. It might be worth perusing the source code for the aforementioned library in order to glean any useful tidbits (assuming it hasn't been retained as closed source). I tend to assume that anything developed by Nokia is closed-source, unless they started from an existing GPL project to save money and therefore can't close it. $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so mce: /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so There's no mce in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/m/ nor it is mentioned in http://repository.maemo.org/dists/os2008/free/source/Sources Marius Gedminas -- The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 USA Availability
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 08:02:04PM -0200, Adilson Oliveira wrote: Owen Williams escreveu: I don't see a place to enter in a code with that link. You're right. I was quite sure there was but I just went over all the shopping process but confirm the order and really there's none. We're going to have to wait for Nokia to send us a valid link like the rest of the planet :) Nokia sent me a valid link today: Here is the correct link to US online shop to purchase N810 device with maemo device program discount code. http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_607318 When I get to the shopping cart, I see two places to enter a code: one is labeled Coupon Code, and the other one - Gift / Reward Code. I've no idea which one is the correct one for entering the maemo device program discount code. I tried both but neither worked. Marius Gedminas -- lg_PC.gigacharset (lg = little green men language, PC = proxima centauri) -- Markus Kuhn provides an example of a locale signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Console apps
On Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 11:37:49AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any docs on building console apps on maemo? Also, what about running daemons from a system init script, how is that done? Im assuming one needs to be root to install and to start/stop services from an init script? Everything's the same as in Debian. This would be a good place to link to a Debian packaging guide, if I had the link... Actually, the Debian Policy manual describes the packaging of daemons: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ Package postinst scripts are always run as root. Marius Gedminas -- Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane). signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Suggestions for storing data for Python based Maemo application
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 08:33:02AM +1100, Devraj Mukherjee wrote: We are developing an application for Maemo which is if you like a custom data collection application for a local firm. The application is being written in Python 2.5 against the Chinook framework and is expected to create upto about 200 records (all up). Are there any general suggestion for what we should use to store data? At this stage thoughts/options are - Python object serialization - XML file - SQLite database Thanks for your time. Any of them will work fine. I'd go with XML myself, for extra data transparency. Marius Gedminas -- The reason computer chips are so small is that computers don't eat much. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 Maemo Program/USA Store
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:38:06AM -0200, Rafael Proença wrote: I think the best we can do is just wait Wait for what, exactly? There is no Nokia shop in my country. I've asked for a US code because a coworker is going to a conference there in March. I also have to ask a business acquaintance who lives in the US to order the device with a US credit card. I would like to know when I can ask that acquaintance to actually order the device. Now I've received an email that implies my discount code is valid in the supported Nokia shops, and gives a list of shops supported, which seems to define what the supported Nokia shops are. US is not in that list. This makes me confused: did I get a European discount code instead of the US one that I asked for? How can I find out? The email said to contact the customer care channel of your shop for further questions, but which shop is my shop, and what's the email address of its customer care channel? By the way, I am one of those who are waiting for USA stores to get my device using the device discount code from Maemo. I'm fine with waiting, but how will I know the wait is over? Will I get another email from Nokia that specifically says and now you can use the US discount code? Marius Gedminas -- We don't really understand it, so we'll give it to the programmers. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mutagen for Maemo
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:49:18PM +0100, Pavel Rojtberg wrote: I've packaged and uploaded mutagen for maemo[1] to garage. Will it show up in the extra repository now? If not what are the necessary steps? http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html HTH, Marius Gedminas -- My mail reader can beat up your mail reader. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
