Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:57:06AM +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: There's recently published research which suggests that simple obfuscation can be effective. Concealment, presumably, is more effective. At http://www.ceas.cc/ you can download Spamology: A Study of Spam Origins

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: 2) is more interesting. What kinds of uses are we talking about? You see a message in an archive from three years ago and you want to contact the OP about it? Why not just follow up and contact the mailing list? For all the reasons

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code fromMailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote: The other thing about Mailman's obfuscation is that I sorta think that by now the spammers have figured it out. I mean, skip at pobox.com? Come on. Even Barry stands a good chance of writing a regular expression that can locate

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
Something else that occurs to me. If we accept that obfuscation is worthless and stop doing it, then there's no reason we shouldn't make the raw mbox files available for anyone to download. Mailman used to do this, but we removed the feature due to user outcry. Now you can download the

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Bob Puff
That's the logical progression of that argument, and is the good reason why obfuscation or even removal of parts is not only a good idea, its a necessity. Exposing raw email addresses in their normal form is real low-hanging fruit. Regardless of what I think, my clients will cry bloody murder if

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfusca tion code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Julian Mehnle
Bob Puff wrote: That's the logical progression of that argument, and is the good reason why obfuscation or even removal of parts is not only a good idea, its a necessity. Exposing raw email addresses in their normal form is real low-hanging fruit. Regardless of what I think, my clients will

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Jeff Breidenbach
the archives, but somehow Google found it, indexed it, and the guy threatened me with bloody murder if I didn't take it down. Yes. It is critical to keep user perception in mind. Specifically, if you don't keep email addresses off the global search engines, there will be a deluge of vocal

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Proposed: remove address-obfuscation code from Mailman 3

2009-08-28 Thread Bernd Siggy Brentrup
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:03 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: What I'm thinking is that there should be a send me this message link in the archive, which gets you a copy as it was originally sent to the list. That let's you jump into a conversation as if you'd been there originally. Another use