OMG! Shut up!
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From: Chip Davis
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:47 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x
OK Brian, so your answers to my questions are:
"I have a profit motive to encourage MM3 adoption"
... and ...
On 8/26/2020 8:17 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
I am sure Mark has moved on from Mailman 2, at least he has said that on
numerous occasions. It is you folks that won't let him. You want to keep
using MM2 and you want the developers to keep supporting it. That pressure
can/does hinder the work on
OK Brian, so your answers to my questions are:
"I have a profit motive to encourage MM3 adoption"
... and ...
"I'm baffled that all the people on the Mailman *2* discussion list
are not scrambling to adopt MM3"
Have I got that about right?
For the record, I have enjoyed exemplary
On 8/26/20 10:29 PM, Chip Davis wrote:
What I don't understand is your vitriolic objection to Jim's offer.
How is that any skin off your nose? Do you see this as a zero-sum
game in which every MM2 instance that doesn't "upgrade" is a threat to
MM3? If it's as superior as you claim, there
Brian, your analysis is spot-on.
All of my MM2 instances support non-profit organizations which cannot
afford the cost of the Internet bandwidth for a second-hand server in
someone's basement, much less a part-time sysadmin. *_I_* am the only
technical staff they have, and I am unpaid. So
On 8/26/20 3:50 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
>>
>> Also, from
>> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/pre-installation-guide.html
>> "The short version is that as of now, upgrading from Mailman 2.1 to
>> Mailman 3.1 is buggy."
>
> I am pretty sure that
On 8/26/20 8:49 PM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote:
The point was that the argument about MM3 having a long life
expectancy "because python 3" is not in any way, shape, or form
supported by the history of the python programming language to date.
Arguing that MM3 itself is going to be supported because
On 8/26/2020 7:26 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
On 8/26/20 8:13 PM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote:
Python $version code has a long life expectancy? Wow. When did that
happen?
Wonderful contribution to this conversation.
The point was that the argument about MM3 having a long life expectancy
"because
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 20:25 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> On 8/26/20 7:02 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> > I'm not sure where you think money comes into this, unless you are
> > admitting that moving to mm3 requires expensive consulting contracts.
> > I've turned down 2 large orgs
On 8/26/20 8:13 PM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote:
Python $version code has a long life expectancy? Wow. When did that
happen?
Wonderful contribution to this conversation.
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On 8/26/20 7:02 PM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
I'm not sure where you think money comes into this, unless you are
admitting that moving to mm3 requires expensive consulting contracts.
I've turned down 2 large orgs that had trouble migrating from mm2 to mm3
and needed a 3rd party to
On 8/26/2020 4:05 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
You are all looking at the wrong thing here. The real question here is
why are you not wanting to move to a Mailman 3 environment? It's not
hard to install anymore. It has a future. It is modern. It as a long
life expectancy and, most importantly,
On 8/26/20 7:20 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
On 8/26/2020 3:50 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
So they will not notice a migration to Mailman 3 at all then.
You miss the point- _I'll_ notice, I'm the one who'd be doing the work.
Well, I am sorry to suggest
On 8/26/2020 3:50 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
So they will not notice a migration to Mailman 3 at all then.
You miss the point- _I'll_ notice, I'm the one who'd be doing the work.
Also, from
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 17:05 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote:
snip-snip
> I think the issue here is money and fear. Cheap cPanel hosts include
> Mailman 2 with their budget hosting packages and I am pretty sure that
> is who you are using.
I'm not sure where you think money comes into this,
On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
As someone regularly uses and maintains a fair bit of old and antique
machinery, MM2 still has a lot of life in it. Yes, the original team
isn't going to do much with it, but others probably will. And for
someone who wants to run a few simple lists* ,
On 8/26/2020 2:05 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
Get off a ship that is no longer sailing ahead and wants to instead to
permanently anchor in place.
As someone regularly uses and maintains a fair bit of old and antique
machinery, MM2 still has a lot of life in it. Yes, the original team isn't
On 8/26/20 3:14 PM, Chip Davis wrote:
All of my dozen Mailman instances run on shared servers. I have no
control over the release/distro on which I am hosted. But my
providers have a bazillion (est.) customers running Mailman2 and, for
a number of reasons, are not terribly eager to force us
I'm afraid I disagree.
All of my dozen Mailman instances run on shared servers. I have no
control over the release/distro on which I am hosted. But my
providers have a bazillion (est.) customers running Mailman2 and, for
a number of reasons, are not terribly eager to force us all to convert
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 23:52 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes:
>
> > A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a
> > long thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'.
>
> *sigh* The price of success. Of course
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 16:35, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a long
> thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'. This
> detailed some of the problems we've all
Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes:
> A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a
> long thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'.
*sigh* The price of success. Of course this can be done with any
automated service that accepts an email address as
Hi Folks,
A couple of days ago, over on the MAILOP mailinglist, there was a long
thread titled 'Mailman confirmation email denial of service'. This
detailed some of the problems we've all seen with Mailman subscription
spam. The Mailman team has addressed a lot of these problems with
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