JC == JC Dill
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:45:44 -0800
JC When we first asked Gmane to not gateway this list, one of the
JC issues was that while our own archives munge the email address
JC of list posters, the Gmane feed didn't do any munging.
Did you consider
sjt == Stephen J Turnbull
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:56:46 +0900
jam == John A Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
sjt I missed at least one of your posts, receiving Brad's reply
sjt to it almost 24 hours in advance of your post. Even today
sjt this is common
Brad == Brad Knowles
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:27:41 +0100
Brad At 10:06 PM -0500 2006-02-15, John A. Martin wrote:
Absent a searchable archive, would you like to give a pointer
for someone that does not read every article every day in every
group
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Brad Clearly, there is a benefit here to the Gmane users,
Brad potentially even a commercial benefit. But what do they
Brad contribute back to the larger Mailman community?
I don't think that's a useful question to ask. Open source is
jam == John A Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
sjt I missed at least one of your posts, receiving Brad's reply
sjt to it almost 24 hours in advance of your post. Even today
sjt this is common for netnews.
jam Sorry, Gmane is not netnews. Gmane is not Usenet.
OK, so that's not
All this discussion is starting to sound like a game of Who struck John?
(BTW, before this, I'd never heard of Gmane.)
Taking what everyone's said a face value, Gmane provides a service that
some people like. The admins/owners of the MM list don't like Gmane's
policies, thus don't want to
Just to try to clear the record here. I noticed in a roughly 24 hour
period beginning yesterday morning and ending this morning, there were
delays of many hours in delivering my email copies of my posts and
some other posts.
These delays were between bag.python.org and servers named
At 10:17 AM -0800 2006-02-17, Mark Sapiro wrote:
These delays were between bag.python.org and servers named
smtp-*.xs4all.nl (which is I think where python.org is hosted). So
missing posts, posts out of sequence etc. from approximately noon GMT
on FEB 16 to about noon GMT on Feb 17 appear
At 2:34 PM +0900 2006-02-17, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
I don't think that's a useful question to ask. Open source is not
about paybacks. (Although copyleft clearly is, to many people.) Open
source is about payforwards. I do something for you, and you do
something for somebody else.
At 1:32 AM -0500 2006-02-17, John A. Martin wrote:
You would have one look at a FAQ Wizard after seeing the specific
unqualified assertion above? Last time I looked, the Mailman FAQs
1.11 and 1.18 recommend Gmane along with Mail-archive while 1.11 notes
that the latter runs Google ads.
At 1:34 AM -0500 2006-02-17, John A. Martin wrote:
Lars said, The mailman people requested that they be removed, see
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/9291.
IIRC, we requested that they be removed over a year ago, the last
time we ran into this issue -- and when Lars found out
At 1:35 AM -0500 2006-02-17, John A. Martin wrote:
Gmane offers a public service, available to anyone, not just to some
private community.
It's the community of their users. It doesn't matter that anyone
could theoretically join this community, the fact of the matter is
that most
At 1:37 AM -0500 2006-02-17, John A. Martin wrote:
I'm not sure I follow you here. How do you think Gmane should know _a
priori_ whether someone subscribing a list to Gmane is actually acting
for the list owner?
Yes, either acting directly on behalf of the list owner(s), or at
At 1:38 AM -0500 2006-02-17, John A. Martin wrote:
Did you consider selecting the option to have Gmane do address
obfuscation? I suppose that would require someone at Gmane to
intervene if your list had been subscribed by a third party.
Considering the rest of the things that
At 3:56 PM +0900 2006-02-16, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
For what it's worth, although I don't use Gmane and consider their
operation to be irresponsible, I'm moderately in favor of allowing
them to gateway the Mailman lists for the convenience it apparently
affords many users.
Brad == Brad Knowles
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:21:13 +0100
Brad I'm of two minds when it comes to Gmane.
Brad On the one hand, they take our content, store a copy
Brad locally, index that local content, and then make that
Brad available
Brad == Brad Knowles
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:29:55 +0100
Brad At 10:07 PM -0500 2006-02-15, John A. Martin wrote:
Heaven forfend! What harm will Gmane do.
Brad Well, the fact that these mailing lists were gatewayed
Brad to Gmane without
It appears that the mailman lists have disappeared from GMane. That's a
bit inconvenient. Are there any other newsgroups that mirror this
mailing list? I looked around some, but didn't see any. In the meantime,
I've re-enabled email delivery, but that's not nearly as convenient as
using
At 9:41 AM -0500 2006-02-15, John Swartzentruber wrote:
It appears that the mailman lists have disappeared from GMane. That's a
bit inconvenient. Are there any other newsgroups that mirror this
mailing list? I looked around some, but didn't see any.
I'm not aware of any. Moreover,
At 12:46 PM -0500 2006-02-15, John A. Martin wrote:
BradBut I still have to have my official talk with Barry
Bradand the other postmasters/listowners to see what we
Bradwant our consensus policy to be.
Do you care what your subscribers prefer?
Yes. We
John == John Swartzentruber
[Mailman-Users] GMane?
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:41:02 -0500
John It appears that the mailman lists have disappeared from
John GMane. That's a bit inconvenient. Are there any other
John newsgroups that mirror this mailing list? I looked around
John some
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, John A. Martin wrote:
Not only is this list, Mailman-Users, but also Mailman-Announce and
Mailman-Developers appear to have simultaneously disappeared from
Gmane. Is there someone who doesn't like Gmane? If so, please
explain your objections. Many lists use Gmane with
Brad == Brad Knowles
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:21:08 +0100
Brad At 9:41 AM -0500 2006-02-15, John Swartzentruber wrote:
It appears that the mailman lists have disappeared from
GMane. That's a bit inconvenient. Are there any other
newsgroups that mirror
CC == Christopher X Candreva
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:53:37 -0500 (EST)
CC On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, John A. Martin wrote:
Not only is this list, Mailman-Users, but also Mailman-Announce
and Mailman-Developers appear to have simultaneously
disappeared from
Brad == Brad Knowles
Re: [Mailman-Users] GMane?
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:57:24 +0100
Brad Yes. We also care that others having their own
Brad gateways will be doing things that are out of our control,
Brad and may cause much more damage to the mailing list and all
Brad
At 10:06 PM -0500 2006-02-15, John A. Martin wrote:
Absent a searchable archive, would you like to give a pointer for
someone that does not read every article every day in every group to
which he is subscribed?
We've had an official searchable archive for many years. It is
one of
Brad Knowles wrote:
At 10:07 PM -0500 2006-02-15, John A. Martin wrote:
Heaven forfend! What harm will Gmane do. Why does doing Gmane mean
doing others? What do you fear from others that would follow from
doing Gmane.
Well, the fact that these mailing lists were gatewayed to
jam == John A Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jam I have read many mailing lists as newsgroups on Gmane for
jam several years and have been unaware of missing anything
jam substantial from a subscribed list.
You may not be missing anything, but I missed at least one of your
posts,
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