%s\n%s" %
(mlist.real_name, moderator, e.output))
finally:
mlist.Unlock()
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> Apologies, you'll have to bear with me, I'm slowly learning Python.
And the appropriate list for that is tu...@python.org
<https://mail.python
-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1865>
and the fix for that at
<https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1866>.
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so you have a loop. Whatever you set for
VIRTUAL_MAILMAN_LOCAL_DOMAIN must be a local domain, not a virtual domain.
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signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
a
> "fix" I know, but it will limp it home.
The patch I posted previously was bad. This one is correct. If you patch
Scrubber.py with this patch, you won't need to edit the mbox and rebuild
the archive as that message won't get scrubbed.
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nerated file /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
...
> # STANZA START: ankuendigungen
> # CREATED: Thu Feb 18 14:28:43 2021
> ankuendigun...@maennerchor-kirchseeon.de ankuendigungen
The above virtual mapping says deliver mail to
ankuendigun...@maennerchor-kirchseeon.de to the local addr
ferent browsers? Is there a firewall or something that
could be interfering with getting the recaptcha from
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js?hl=en ?
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21; B3.15; Q3.13)
In case the script doesn't get modified, here's a patch I plan to commit
to Scrubber.py which should help.
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=== modified file 'Mailman/Handlers/Scrubb
On 3/5/21 3:35 PM, Al Brussey wrote:
> Yes they are v2 keys.
>
>> On Mar 5, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> On 3/5/21 2:10 PM, AJ wrote:
>>>
>>> View source of page, i see this, with the correct site key:
>>>
>>>
tch to Scrubber.py and post that when it's done.
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https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api.js?hl=en"</a>;>
> data-sitekey="xxx">
Are your keys for recaptcha v2 - v3 doesn't work with Mailman
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r browser? If not, you should see
This form requires JavaScript.
instead of the recaptcha.
Iv you view the source of the page in your browser, what do you see?
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On 3/4/21 10:35 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Hi, Daniel
>
> Mark Sapiro writes:
> >
> > You need to
> > generate a password within the script.
>
> I think
>
> newpassword = subprocess.run(["pwgen", "-sB", "1
the perl script that generates this message can not include that
header, I don't thing the part will be scrubbed.
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>
> Anyways, I'll see what the result gets written by scripts/post in the
> morning.
OK.
I'm just curious, but if the body is scrubbed as an attachment with a
.txt extension instead of .ksh would that help?
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ntu/+source/mailman/+question/695864>
The answer there was correct and is you are generating the password once
as part of the withlist command line and passing the one single output
of `pwgen -sB 15 1` as the password argument to the script. You need to
generate a p
On 3/4/21 7:05 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Mark Sapiro writes:
>
> Does Scrubber really do that? Per RFC, the two Content-Type fields
> have exactly the same semantics: "it is plain text, encoded as ASCII."
Yes, scrubber really does this. This dates back to Toki
gt; listname=listname,
> tolist=1, _plaintext=1)
>
>
where LISTNAME is the problem list's name and PATH_TO_FILE is the path
to the file you created. This file will accumulate all the incoming
messages posted to the list, exactly as they are received by Mail
rns the list
['.ksh', '.bat', '.h', '.txt', '.pl', '.c', '.asc', '.text', '.pot',
'.brf', '.srt']
for text/plain and we arbitrarily pick the first one which is .ksh, but
we shouldn't be doing that with a text/plain part with a declared charset.
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to modify the
source code.
If you mean you would like to change -leave to -unsubscribe in the
List-Unsubscribe: header, again you'd need to modify the source code.
I really think your objection to -bounces would be removed if you set
General Options -> include_sender_header to No.
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ensure that Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is set
to Yes so you are notified of disabled delivery before the user's are
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are synonymous. What's your issue?
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and the broken pipe is probably because the prowser timed out or
disconnected before receiving the full file.
Is there anything more illuminating in the MTA log beyond
pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com generated by
nome-annou...@nomekennelc
esign.com
>
>
> That last email is the problem one.
As far as I know cPanel's MTA is exim and shouldn't require aliases to
deliver to mailman. But then I'm not a cPanel expert or even a cPanel
novice.
However, the mail is properly being piped to
|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mail
site list address because in general there is no single list
context for them.
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ailman 2.1 and Python 2
upon which it depends are end of life, although many if not most sites
are still using it.
Mailman 3 is significantly more difficult to install, although there is
a fairly functional, albeit out of date, package for Debian/Ubuntu.
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On 2/17/21 12:54 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
> However, there is no API for getting message data from HyperKitty.
Not true. See, e.g., <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/api/>.
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gt; database??
>
> Could we add this as a feature for future releases?
Not in Mailman 2.1 because it's end of life and not adding any new
features and probably not in Mailman 3 either because there is probably
insufficient interest.
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gt; database??
Unless the list is anonymous, the Sender will always be exposed in one
or more of the From:, Cc: or Reply-To: headers, but beyond that, without
modifying code, there's no way to put it in a msg_header.
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On 2/14/21 10:34 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> Thank you for reporting this. It is a bug. It turns out that the logic
> for determining the headers in the wrapper does not include Subject: in
> the case where the list has no subject_prefix.
>
> This is now reported at <https
gt; +for k, v in msgdata.get('add_header', {}).items():
> msg[k] = v
> # Are we including dmarc_wrapped_message_text? I.e., do we have text and
> # are we wrapping because of dmarc_moderation_action?
```
Perhaps you can convince the admins of the Mailman site to apply the
helink above is to its
Mailman 3 info page.
The corresponding thing for a Mailman 2.1 list is a url like this one
for the Mailman 2.1 python-help list
<https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-help>
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er list
attributes and in MM 3 they are the list:member:regular:header and
list:member:regular:footer templates. However, neither MM 2.1 nor MM 3
has replacements for the sender of the message. Adding them would
require modifying the code.
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tance.
Specifically, import21 should migrate non-regexp addresses in
*_these_nonmembers as non-members with the appropriate moderation action
and regexps into the corresponding MM 3 lists *_these_nonmembers.
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on the list overview page?
In Postorius, currently the roster is only visible to list owners
regardless of roster visibility settings. See
<https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369>. The email `who`
command does honor roster visibility settings.
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ers and the list address in the To: field?
The recipients of the message are specified as recipients by Mailman in
its SMTP transaction with the outgoing MTA. These are known as envelope
recipients and are the addresses to which the message will be sent. They
have nothing to do with any To:
mail. The first is before list transformations such as prefixing the
Subject: or adding a footer and the second is after. The first fails
because of the list transformations and the second passes.
> I set REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = Yes
This may make a difference, but it shouldn't. According t
o for a message to ALL.
There is no way to have only Joe in the sub list Reply-To.
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. What I can tell you is
Mailman will not interpret a message with a 4xx status as a bounce, and
it is the MTA, not Mailman that is responsible for retrying 4xx status
returns.
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e received message, not just these
two partial ones out of context. If you want to munge user and domain
names, you can, but do so in a way that we can tell what's what.
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> acceptable_aliases = ['us...@example.com', 'us...@list.example.com']
That was correct as far as the web UI is concerned, but for config_list
it should have been
acceptable_aliases = """us...@example.com
us...@list.example.com"""
I was confused about the
441983.547279+307df38e5cee54b2402dff84906a4f3ab88755d3
>
> What can I do to fix it?
See my reply to your earlier post at
<https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/VDH5C2UCSMC42PCASM3742CSX4FGCTI7/>
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d ensure there are no unwanted messages in
qfiles/shunt/ via, e.g., Mailman's bin/show_qfiles qfiles/shunt/*.pck
If there are unwanted messages, just remove them or move them aside
before running unshunt.
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On 2/2/21 4:58 PM, steve lund wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:14 PM Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> The only thing you can do is report to the ISP if you get a bounce
>> notice that indicated the sending IP is blocked.
>>
>
> What does this message typically loo
On 2/1/21 6:25 PM, steve lund wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:05 PM Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> So it seems the notices are being sent and delivered to your spam
>> folder. You will need to regularly check that folder for these messages,
>> or you MAY (I'm not an expert
mailman@
To: -owner@
Subject: Bounce action notification
These notices contain a copy of the bounce DSN and are the only way
short of MTA logs that you will know why the messages are bouncing.
If I had to guess though, the next most likely thing after DMARC is the
sending server was blacklisted
ote, Mailman has nothing to do with DKIM signing of outgoing
mail. Your outgoing MTA does it, probably by invoking some milter. It
could be rspamd or something else. You have to look at the
configuration. If you are using rspamd's DKIM signing module, see
<https://rspamd.com/doc/modules/dki
to
Repty-To:
So this list is Munging From: headers, and if that was the case when the
bounces occurred (maybe 3 weeks before the unsubscribes), the bounces
probably weren't for DMARC reasons.
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To:
List has reply_goes_to_list = Poster
Outgoing message will have
From: The User via List_name
Reply-To: The User
For conformant MUAs, Reply-To trumps From and a reply will go to The
User .
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some MUAs that don't follow RFC recommendations for replying may
not reply appropriately. This is an MUA issue. Mailman is doing the best
it can.
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-
On 1/29/21 5:19 AM, Moritz Fromm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 28.01.2021 um 21:22 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
>
>> In Core 3.3.3 this is exposed in REST, but not yet in
>> Postorius - <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/466>
>
> Thanks for opening the iss
_message` attribute which if `False` will do
what you want. In Core 3.3.3 this is exposed in REST, but not yet in
Postorius - <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/466>
In the interim, you can set it via `mailman shell`.
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.
You can set the ban_list to
```
^.
```
This will not send a rejection notice if the subscription attempt is via
the web. It will only send a notice if the subscription request is via
email, but bots don't normally subscribe this way.
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ration_action and dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action? at a
minimum, they should be Munge From and Yes respectively.
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screen scraping the admin
GUI with the script at
<https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py> which runs
under Python on your workstation or if you prefer Python 3,
<https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers3.py>. These scripts
are mirrored at <https://fog.ccsf.edu
ad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py#L90>
and just set `list_hidden = True`.
To ignore it completely for the email `who` command you could just
insert `full = True` at
<https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Commands/c
f the message arrive at the list.
OK. So the correct pipeline for this list with WrapMessage included is
the same as your GLOBAL_PIPELINE, so just deleting the list specific
pipeline is the correct solution.
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it's important or not, but if
it is, you could restore the list's pipeline with the addition of
WrapMessage.
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ssage
over a munged from, and vice versa.
In short, which is better depends on the characteristics of the list and
its members, but in general, from munging seems the better choice,
although arguably and in the opinion of the Mailman developers, munging
the From: header in this way makes
pipeline attribute defined[1] and the list's
pipeline does not include SpamDetect or possibly CookHeaders.
What does
bin/dumpdb lists/LISTNAME/config | grep -A24 pipeline
show?
[1] See
https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py#L127
thr
hitespace.
Longer answer: See <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707>.
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/prune_arch
Did you read it?
Options:
...
-d /--days=
Remove messages older than . Default is 365. This is
based on the message's Date: header. Messages with missing or
unparseable Date: header will be removed.
I.e., for 2 years specify '-d 730'
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mails ( several email adress i own on
> different hosting : I did have gone in the webmail of the receiver (two
> of mine) and they are not in spambox or else)
> There is no error messages
What's in the MTA logs? Did the outgoing messages arrive at the MTA? If
so, what happ
ave access to these logs and
will have to contact the host to try to resolve this.
If you do have access to the logs, see item 8. at
<https://wiki.list.org/x/4030723>. Also see
<https://wiki.list.org/x/4030641>.
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dress also
delivers to the list. For this, you would put prior-n...@example.com in
acceptable_aliases.
Is this what you want to do?
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of the
resultant "There are no pending requests ..." page did that page come
from "A" or "B"?
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oint to the current
host. I.e., you go to http://B/mailman/admindb/LIST and the action URL
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Mailman installations on that server to see which one has the list with
the pending request.
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l data
>
> Mailman reports "There are no pending requests."
>
> Tomorrow the same thing happens reporting the same historic
> date of the non-member post.
See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/8683538>.
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On 12/22/20 8:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> My current thinking is if the list's scrub_nondigest setting is Yes,
> remove the "pruned" attachments and if either -b/--backup or
> -p/--preserve is specified, backup/preserve them too.
>
> Other thoughts are welcome.
r pruned mbox will contain links to attachments which will be broken if
the attachments are removed.
My current thinking is if the list's scrub_nondigest setting is Yes,
remove the "pruned" attachments and if either -b/--backup or
-p/--preserve is specified, backup/preserve them too.
Other t
thing?
See <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/set_nomail.py>, mirrored at
<https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/set_nomail.py>
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some program is generating them, but which one?
Postfix. In order for us to help further, please post the full mail.log
entry for the bounce and the output of `postconf -n`
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t presumably sends the mail with its own envelope sender
which would preclude Mailman's bounce processing
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On 11/26/20 9:11 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote:
>
> That option (from_is_list) is already set to Munge from.
And what exactly does the From: header in mail from the RHEL list look like?
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ages from domains that publish DMARC
policies, set General Options -> from_is_list to No and set Privacy
options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action to Munge From
and set dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action and
dmarc_none_moderation_action as desired.
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On 11/22/20 5:51 AM, Tony Stocker wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:47 PM Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> Basically, just "copy and paste" the /var/lib/mailman/lists directory
>> from the old machine to the new. Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030682>.
>
to the other so that we
> don't have to reconfigure anything. Is this possible? If so, are there
> any detailed instructions for it posted anywhere?
Basically, just "copy and paste" the /var/lib/mailman/lists directory
from the old machine to the new. Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/403068
On 11/20/20 4:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> ...
I should have mentioned in my other reply, this list is for Mailman 2.
The appropriate list for Mailman 3 is mailman-us...@mailman3.org
<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>.
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ango in
/srv/django/mailman/public/.
In any case, I don't think you should be looking at
<https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/deployment.html>
which is specific to Postorius only. I recommend starting at
<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html&g
on Windows
10, the issue is with the user's phone client and there's probably
nothing Mailman can do about it.
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sages in a MIME format digest, but then the pnone client may not
do a reasonable job of rendering a MIME format digest.
As far as whether the digest formatting is "messed up", I'd need to see
an actual digest message to comment further.
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On 11/17/20 8:30 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Mark Sapiro writes:
>
> > And several years ago (in the 2.1.5 timeframe), RedHat modified their
> > Mailman package to be FHS compliant for the specific purpose of avoiding
> > SELinux security violations.
>
message and reply to that. For
the plain digest, they should just copy/paste relevant context from the
digest into a new post to the list. Of course, training list members to
do that is probably not possible ...
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even documented, if the policy docs are installed:
And several years ago (in the 2.1.5 timeframe), RedHat modified their
Mailman package to be FHS compliant for the specific purpose of avoiding
SELinux security violations.
See <https://wiki.list.org/x/8486953> and
<https://wiki.list.org/x/178
justment to your SELinux policies.
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On 11/11/20 1:59 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> I am getting "ERROR for site owner: Invalid key type" with Google
> reCAPTCHA.
> when using v3 key type.
You need V2 checkbox keys for this feature.
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],
}
to Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Of course use your own settings for the
language(s) and question, answer pairs.
You can also enable Google's reCAPTCHA by going to
<https://www.google.com/recaptcha/admin> and generating a site
key/secret key pair and setting
RECAPTCHA_SITE_KEY = 'the site key'
RECA
man/Handlers/Emergency.py.
With the patch I provided, you'd need to set Privacy options... ->
Sender filters -> default_member_moderation = Yes and then set all
current members moderated via Membership Management... -> Membership
List -> Additional Member Tasks
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> digestable = No
Archiving Options -> archive = No
and nothing will be stored in the archive.
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d and non-plain text attachments are scrubbed and stored in the
archive even if there are no digest recipients. The way to avoid this
scrubbing and storing aside of attachments from the digest is to set
Digest options -> digestible to No. If the list is not digestable,
digests won't be created
return
# If the member's moderation flag is on, then perform the
moderation
# action.
if mlist.getMemberOption(sender, mm_cfg.Moderate):
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easy to impossible.
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What's in Mailman's logs with timestamps around the time of a request.
In particular, the `error`, `subscribe`, `vette`, `smtp` and
`smtp-failure` logs. If there are entries in the `smtp` log indicating
messages have been sent, what's in
ou run the various
manage.py commands.
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with opendkim? If so, what are your opendkin.conf
settings for SenderHeaders and SigningTable and what is the content of
the file referred to by SigningTable?
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