Re: Organizing the Marketing Team

2010-03-16 Thread John Williams
helping analyze the data to updating the site) * User Analysis (stolen from John Williams email last month) I'm keen to help with this in any way I can. I, too, am time poor, but I'll give it a shot. * GNOME Website (Darton is doing an awesome job revamping content for the new website

Re: Reboot: Strategic goals for GNOME

2010-03-03 Thread John Williams
Please accept my apologies for butting in, if that's what I'm doing. I have a thought that may be useful, but that, of course, is for you to judge. GNOME needs a metric of success. Years ago it was 10x10, which is ridiculous today as it was when it was first proposed. But it reveals an

Re: introductions (was Re: )

2010-02-17 Thread John Williams
On 02/09/2010 04:49 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: I would like to ask one thing to this list, would it be possible for people to introduce themselfs and say what is their role around on the list? Hello all. My name is John Williams. I am not a developer or documenter. I am a user. I also

Re: Marketing Hackfest Details

2009-10-27 Thread John Williams
itself as leading and cutting-edge. Isn't the latest GNOME version Made for sharing? Sorry for the rant. Sometimes us folks who are not in the USA, UK or EU feel a bit left out ... sniff :-) -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http

Re: Marketing Hackfest Details

2009-10-27 Thread John Williams
earlier in the year, there is nothing quite like it, in my opinion. The energy and flow of ideas from meeting in person really seem to drive engagement. Paul On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.netwrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:31 PM, John Williams

Re: Marketing Hackfest Details

2009-10-26 Thread John Williams
coming, please add your name and travel details if they're set. Hope to see you there! Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list

Re: Please test the Friends of GNOME survey!

2009-05-28 Thread John Williams
@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list

Re: survey Friends of GNOME donors

2009-05-21 Thread John Williams
/seth/2008/05/28/some-help-from-a-kiwi/ [2] http://marketing.otago.ac.nz/studying/papers/martpapers.asp?papercode=mart303 -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list

Re: survey Friends of GNOME donors

2009-05-21 Thread John Williams
problem. I wish I had a solution to that one ... Historical efforts can be found here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/SurveyUsers http://live.gnome.org/CountingUsers -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman

GNOME Marketing kick-off brainstorming event at Collaboration Summit?

2009-01-30 Thread John Williams
Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- John Williams Professional Idiot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http

Re: On distro users feedback

2007-09-27 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 17:32 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: I've always wondered if maybe we need a dedicated 'user feedback' squad along the lines of the bug squad... a single point of contact (well, a single group of people) to whom user feedback from all sources is channeled[1], who would then

Re: On distro users feedback

2007-09-26 Thread John Williams
It continually amazes me when producers of market offerings (vendors) refer to feedback as informal or anecdotal. As if formal feedback (I presume people are referring to focus groups and surveys here) gave you any better information. The only deficiency of the informal user feedback is that it

Re: GNOME 2.20 release notes

2007-08-17 Thread John Williams
How's this look? http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/notes2-20/index.html This looks great! Thanks for all the hard work that has gone into producing this page. If you are interested, some areas for improvement are listed below. GNOME 2.20 includes all of the improvements made in GNOME 2.12 Do we

Re: A Meeting with a Mission

2007-08-07 Thread John Williams
On 8/7/07, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be useful for you and others in the team to familiarise themselves with the current status of our trademark policy OK, where do we find it? Can we link to it from the GNOME Marketing pages? Sorry to hear that you can't make it Dave, I

A Meeting with a Mission

2007-08-04 Thread John Williams
Hello all, I have taken it upon myself to organise a meeting of interested folk with the purpose of discussing the Mission of the Marketing Team. If you are interested in participating, please visit this page: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Meetings While you are there, please edit the

Re: Formalizing the marketing team

2007-07-30 Thread John Williams
. On 7/30/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=John Williams Oh dear. I am going to try again to push the idea of what marketing is. BTW: If anyone is getting sick of my pontification on this, please let me know, publicly if necessary. I'm not going to tell you to shut up

Re: Formalizing the marketing team

2007-07-30 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 11:10 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: This discussion about the mission and the responsibilities defined around the objectives will tell us also a lot about who is a member of this marketing team. My small contribution to this debate was done in the GNOME marketing presentation

Re: Formalizing the marketing team

2007-07-29 Thread John Williams
On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 21:45 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: (lots of good stuff) There is a Marketing Team defined as committee and it's time to define it. This is an invitation for a brainstorming. Can we do it on IRC, as Ken (and others?) tried previously? - We need at least a mission. Our nearest

Re: Formalizing the marketing team

2007-07-29 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 10:19 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: The broad goal of a Marketing function is to let as many folks know about GNOME which in turn means provide guidance and support towards events, activities, material that allow folks to know about GNOME. Oh dear. I am going to

Re: Re-inventing the GNOME Marketing team

2007-04-24 Thread John Williams
Dudes and Dudettes, I would like to seek some clarification and offer some advice. I am sure it is old advice to some, but what the hay. We seem to be discussing two separate issues here: (1) Generating new ideas (2) Getting things done Brainstorming is perfect for (1) and crap for (2). And

Re: Suggestion. GNOME Feedback Form

2007-02-22 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 21:20 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: 5. One last question - what will you do with the information? This is the key issue, all else is mere technical details. I also want to know the answer. :) I'm confident that a good marketing team will find good questions and a strategy to

Re: Suggestion. GNOME Feedback Form

2007-02-22 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 17:17 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 11:12 +1300, John Williams wrote: Let's do this, but let's not kid ourselves as to the value of the data. I can see us putting it in press releases and feeding to journalists, but not much else. I'm more

Re: 2006 LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards

2007-02-19 Thread John Williams
mesure how GNOME is doing compared to Windows and OSX since 2003 to now? It's relatively hard for now, and nigh on impossible for the past, as far as I can tell The only reliable way would have been a proper survey with true sample data, done every year. John Williams is better educated

Re: 2006 LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards

2007-02-19 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 17:55 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: On 2/19/07, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Around 1,000 is sufficient if all we want to do is compare two or three percentages (e.g. GNOME, KDE, Windows) with a margin of error of around +/- 3% at the 95% confidence level

Re: Take the tour draft page

2007-02-04 Thread John Williams
Suggestion: let's concentrate thought and work in this single page in order to set the tone, quality standards and implicit guidelines for the rest of pages to be created. Great idea. Can I take it that the page elements, fonts and colours are all approved and set in stone? Or will you

Re: Call for checking the release notes draft

2006-09-02 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 16:25 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: Time's over for writing the release notes, unfortunately. Please proof-read, and check for correctness. [snip] The relevant pages are thus: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen/ReleaseNotes/TwoSixteenFrontPromo

Proof reading the release notes

2006-08-26 Thread John Williams
Somewhere on this list (or am I dreaming? I can't find it in the archives) the call was made for a native English speaker to proof-read the release notes. If no-one else has the job already, I volunteer. Actually, even if someone else has the job, I still volunteer. Studies have shown that

Re: wgo structure

2006-08-10 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 11:27 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: [GNOME logo] Discover - Try - Learn - Create - Join I think Learn is in fact better, softer than study. [snip] Anyway, I guess what counts here is to have the opinion of native English speakers. Hi! John the native English speaker here.

Re: GNOME group in SecondLife

2006-03-06 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 10:54 +0100, Thilo Pfennig wrote: Hi, as there is also a Linux client for SecondLife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecondLife) I decided to try it out and also created a group for GNOME users. Where can the client be downloaded? I didn't see a link in that page, or on

Re: slashdot: linus says use kde

2005-12-14 Thread John Williams
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 21:31 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Rather, this is our opportunity to: a) go through osnews/slashdot looking for decent feedback b) get a feel of what people think about GNOME both good and bad. and other things. Hallelujah, brother! And thanks again to

Re: slashdot: linus says use kde

2005-12-14 Thread John Williams
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 21:43 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: btw, i'll try to summarize all online comments about this linus/kde thing. from what i've read so far, they seem to have a couple valid points we shouldn't be ignoring. I think that would be very helpful, thanks! -- marketing-list

RE: GNOME's Target Markets

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
With the LiveCDs (and soon the VMPlayer images) it is almost that easy. Check. In about 90 seconds I am going to give a copy of Ubuntu to one of my colleagues. Forgive my desparate amateurism. Save us. It's all good! There is no such thing as an amatuer in marketing. We are all consumers!

Re: slogan poll

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 10:01 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: I'll put a poll on gnomdesktop about the slogan suggestions. It's not the best way of choosing something, but it's better than nothing, and it might force marketing experts to have an opinion. Good on you, Murray, for prodding the experts

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:37 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: We have lots of data. Every GNOME release, we get data. So far, we've simply had no way to analyse, synthesis and transmit that data to the people who need to get it. Oooh! Oooh! Pick me! Pick me! Can you be more specific please Dave?

Real Marketing

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
Hi all I have attempted to summarise the Real Marketing thread here: http://live.gnome.org/RealMarketing I think this could become the basis for something good, but I'm not sure what, yet. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org

Re: GNOME's Target Markets

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 13:15 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Time to revive this thread again. Cool! On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 18:50 +1200, John Williams wrote: On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 22:25 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: Try to explain the issues to us, and suggest definite actions. There are many

Please sit down before reading this, and take a deep breath.

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 18:03 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: Without straying too far from the topic - What is GNOME ? Or as someone recently asked me in one session for college kids (WTF is guh-nome) With respect to the recent discussion on slogans and general discussion of about Real

Don't encourage people to switch to GNOME

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
I have, for some time, been uncomfortable with the use of the phrase switch to GNOME in our private and public communications. However after looking at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb I think it is time to bring my reservations about this out into the open. Switch to implies giving up what you

Re: Please sit down before reading this, and take a deep breath.

2005-12-12 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 16:47 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: What is GNOME? We seem to fond of asking that question these days. The answer is simple: it is the GNU Network Object Model Environment. That is never ever the answer, and hasn't been for a long time. If it's anywhere on our web

Re: gnome desktop personas - my very first draft

2005-12-10 Thread John Williams
On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 10:59 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: i started to draft a few characteristics of my personas; please tell me what you think. remember it's VERY conceptual, they don't even have names yet :) Sorry to butt in here, but I am not sure of the value of this exercise. Everyone

Re: gnome desktop personas - my very first draft

2005-12-10 Thread John Williams
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 07:12 +0100, Quim Gil wrote: As a Marketing Team member here is my vote to consider the personas research as our primary goal in the field of Theory for 2006, being this project only questioned if somebody comes with a better alternative and I have just posted a message

Re: gnome desktop personas - my very first draft

2005-12-10 Thread John Williams
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 07:52 +0100, Quim Gil wrote: En/na John Williams ha escrit: I have just posted a message about this. If we are going to vote, I want to nominate It was just a rethoric, countless vote. :) I was only saying critique like yours to the personas project

Re: Modifying About-Me to count users

2005-08-21 Thread John Williams
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 19:38 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: On ศ., 2005-07-08 at 09:33 +1200, John Williams wrote: I see that there is talk of modifying the About Myself capplet. Perhaps this is a better home for gathering info about users? I probably shouldn't need to say it, but... obviously

Re: gnome-about-me

2005-08-02 Thread John Williams
to this, please cc marketing list, and consider dropping by #marketing on irc.gnome.org cheers, John -- John Williams Research Analyst Department of Marketing, Otago University http://www.commerce.otago.ac.nz/marketing/staff/williamsj.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list

Re: gnome-about-me

2005-08-02 Thread John Williams
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:08 -0700, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=John Williams Previously the home for this functionality has been suggested as About GNOME, but it strikes me that the About Me capplet is much more likely to be seen by a large proportion of users than the About GNOME dialog

Re: gnome-about-me

2005-08-02 Thread John Williams
. Again, have you read the background info? Notwithstanding that, how will those data enable us to estimate the number of GNOME users worldwide? If we can do that already, I want to know about it, otherwise I am wasting my time (and that of others) here. -- John Williams Research Analyst

Re: gnome-about-me

2005-08-02 Thread John Williams
of assumption (1)? Can we get ANY HARD DATA on assumption (2)? Anyone lurking who works for a major distro? Bottom line: it probably is not worth arguing too much about the perfect place for this functionality. What really matters is that it happens. -- John Williams Research Analyst Department

Re: proposing a meeting [was Re: GNOME's Target Markets]

2005-07-15 Thread John Williams
How does Tuesday, 19:00 GMT sound for everyone? That is 7am for me. That is a slight PITA [1] but bearable. I would, however, prefer an hour to two later if that won't cause too many problems for others. Do we have many takers Luis? [1] PITA == Pain in the arse (ass, for Americans) --

Re: Friends-of-GNOME database [Re: Modifying GNOME-About to count users]

2005-07-14 Thread John Williams
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 13:15 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: It all started with trying to find a way to estimate the number of GNOME users. An automated ping is the best way, but is ethically dangerous. An opt-in register is ethically fine, but sub-optimal for our purposes. Also, we can do it

Re: proposing a meeting [was Re: GNOME's Target Markets]

2005-07-14 Thread John Williams
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 22:03 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: (2) can we have a meeting in yarrr.gnome.org[1], perhaps weekly[2], and perhaps restricted in attendance, until we hash some of this out, at least at a high level? I think this is a great idea. Just tell me a time, and I will be there,

Re: Friends-of-GNOME database [Re: Modifying GNOME-About to count users]

2005-07-14 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 17:01 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=John Williams Anyway, I am delighted to stumble across this thread. Can I ask if there is any idea how soon one will be able, without a financial cost, to register as a user of GNOME and optionally ask to be kept up-to-date

Re: Logo/image guidelines

2005-07-07 Thread John Williams
I hope our designers can come up with a fuller brand image. That might include our brand colors, fonts, etc. Or, it would be nice if people provided links to examples of corporate brand guidelines. What I want to say is slightly off-topic and I risk exposing myself as an ivory-tower

Re: Modifying GNOME-About to count users

2005-07-06 Thread John Williams
On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 16:48 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Join Friends of GNOME and celebrate easy to use software for $OS! (email form) What question are we asking? :-) I *think* we're asking 'how many users of GNOME are there', not 'how many discovered gnome-about in their panel and

Re: Modifying GNOME-About to count users

2005-07-06 Thread John Williams
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 12:40 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: are quite simple and good (ignoring everything underneath for a moment). As it happens, Linux Australia have a pretty good membership database, so that might be an option too. Interesting. Could you forward the URI for that please? I would

Re: Website work

2005-06-07 Thread John Williams
into microtasks, making the job a little less daunting. It would be great to get people from this list involved over there. I am willing to help. What needs to be done, specifically? -- John Williams Research Analyst Department of Marketing, Otago University http://www.commerce.otago.ac.nz/marketing

Re: Actions

2005-05-10 Thread John Williams
On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 11:10 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Perhaps someone else - I seem to recall a few months ago someone who was interested in market research. A hunt in the archives shows I was thinking of John Williams. John - you still about? Interested in taking this on? Hi Dave

Re: Actions

2005-05-10 Thread John Williams
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 22:36 +0200, David Neary wrote: The advise on research design is one that we need, at least for an effective survey to be given to conference attendees and others. Bring it on! More than coding, designing the actual surveys themselves is what were suggested, which