On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Claus Schwarm clschw...@googlemail.comwrote:
Paul,
I'm glad you like it. :-)
But I have to disagree in one point: After about four years on this list, I
do not think, teams will work. I'd prefer to have managers (or maintainers
if you like): people that
Shaun McCance wrote:
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 22:34 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Stormy Peters wrote:
Speaking of which, we do very little (if anything?) to advertise GNOME
apps. I think users pick operating systems based on apps. They have a
task, they pick an app. They don't decide to
Hi,
Claus Schwarm wrote:
For marketing GNOME 3, though, accessibility is (nearly) useless, in my
opinion. Most end-users without disabilities have other problems to care
about.
You've said quite a bit about what's useless Claus - any suggestions on
what would be use*ful*? Preferably,
Alex:
Yes, but it's not Free.
I agree, freedom is a hard concept to sell. Do we want to compare Linux
to the American civil rights movement in the 60s? Solidarity in Poland
in the 80s? The fight against Apartheid in South Africa? Perhaps 1984 or
Brave New World, the police state in the US and
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:
Hi,
You've said quite a bit about what's useless Claus - any suggestions on
what would be use*ful*? Preferably, referring to what GNOME is, and what
GNOME 3 will be, rather than what you think it should be?
Well, I also
Claus - I love the ideas, and had thought of something similar.
What I'd like to propose, similar to Stormy's idea at the beginning of
the thread, is to form some sub-teams around these ideas. I'd like to
take some of these ideas and put them into buckets, and brainstorm
around those, maybe one
I think it's a great idea and I'm happy to help.
The one thing I think we might want to add is defining strategy. Maybe that
comes as part of defining messages by audience, but maybe we ought to
explicitly state a strategy like, become the #1 desktop by becoming the
desktop of choice for
I must agree here. QT looks a lot more attractive to developers thanks to
the excellent documentation they have.
sri
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 16:37 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote:
Stormy Peters wrote:
+ Identify our target
Thanks for the feedback. A few remarks:
Benefits:
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
I think we need to think about why we want end-users to use GNOME 3.0. Or
why we want them
to use GNOME at all. Those are the messages we can market. (And we know
Alex:
Just to be clear; I absolutely agree with that. I'm not saying it's not
worth making that kind of statement, or that it's worth telling people
about the accessibility - in fact, I think those are hugely important
messages. I just don't think it's going to get close to swaying most
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Alex Hudson h...@alexhudson.com wrote:
I think my main concern is that trying to out-Windows Windows is basically
a losing argument: they have a monopoly on the market, and it's locked in
effectively by network effects. No matter how much better GNOME is
Stormy Peters wrote:
Speaking of which, we do very little (if anything?) to advertise GNOME
apps. I think users pick operating systems based on apps. They have a
task, they pick an app. They don't decide to use Windows or Linux or
Mac, they decide to use Photoshop or Gimp or iTunes.
An idea me
That's a great idea!
We could highlight one on gnome.org and you could click through to the whole
catalog.
Stormy
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote:
Stormy Peters wrote:
Speaking of which, we do very little (if anything?) to advertise GNOME
apps. I
Shaun,
you're arguing against a straw man. Nobody said, it's an either/or scenario.
Nobody said we should drop communicating what GNOME's about completely.
Nobody said anybody should drop his or her values. It's only in your head.
However, in my simple opinion with over 10 years in
Brian,
I guess that answer was directed to me. ;)
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.comwrote:
That is simply not true. Because GNOME is free, the software is far
less expensive than other proprietary solutions.
You may have misunderstood the point. Writing
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 22:34 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Stormy Peters wrote:
Speaking of which, we do very little (if anything?) to advertise GNOME
apps. I think users pick operating systems based on apps. They have a
task, they pick an app. They don't decide to use Windows or Linux or
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
Speaking of which, we do very little (if anything?) to advertise GNOME
apps. I think users pick operating systems based on apps. They have a task,
they pick an app. They don't decide to use Windows or Linux or Mac, they
As long as the apps are open source, I think that would still end in
goodness. If the approach works, we could work on advantages to the versions
running on GNOME/Linux. Interoperability with other open source apps, the
desktop, etc.
Stormy
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Claus Schwarm
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Claus Schwarm clschw...@googlemail.comwrote:
Hi,
strictly speaking, you forgot the most important point:
What do we want people to do?
Marketing is just a means to help sell the product (or, at least, to help
the sales team sell the product). Since we
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 16:37 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote:
Stormy Peters wrote:
+ Identify our target audience(s). Do we want to communicate with
existing GNOME users, all free desktop users, or try to reach out to
non-free-desktop users? (I think we can safely leave communicating
with
Stormy Peters wrote:
+ Identify our target audience(s). Do we want to communicate with
existing GNOME users, all free desktop users, or try to reach out to
non-free-desktop users? (I think we can safely leave communicating
with developers up to the developers themselves.)
+ Identify our key
That's great.
Do you have a content/article schedule?
Is there a way we can share the content early with journalists so perhaps
they could write articles that point at it?
Stormy
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote:
GNOME Journal is doing a series of
To build on what Sri was saying as a member of the GNOME Journal team,
I think all of Stormy's points are valid, and one of the first
questions that popped into my mind was: What tools are available to
the GNOME Marketing team?. I think it's an output of whom our
audience is, and will help to
For GNOME Journal, we do. I've published a proposed release cycle
draft here:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-journal-list/2009-April/msg8.html
(I'm working as our release coordinator for GJ).
I need to update it, Claus had some really good feedback, especially
lengthening the time
Stormy:
A part of GNOME Marketing should be getting the message about GNOME
3.0 out there, of course. However, marketing is also about selling
stuff. Perhaps we should also discuss opportunities like:
- Finding new ways to bring in revenue for the GNOME project, perhaps
through the GNOME
Brian Cameron wrote:
Stormy:
A part of GNOME Marketing should be getting the message about GNOME
3.0 out there, of course. However, marketing is also about selling
stuff. Perhaps we should also discuss opportunities like:
- Finding new ways to bring in revenue for the GNOME project, perhaps
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@sun.comwrote:
- Many public television, radio stations, etc. will play free ads
for non-profits. Wouldn't it be interesting to put together some
advertisements that we could use to get the message out there?
While it would
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