[Marxism] One in six French people say they support ISIS
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'm particularly happy to see that more in Gaza have an unfavorable view than in France, the United Kingdom, or Germany. (That has something to do with people here knowing what it is, but still.) http://www.vox.com/2014/8/26/6067123/isis-poll -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [Pen-l] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Marv Gandall marvga...@gmail.com wrote: Contrary to the fears expressed by their liberal counterparts, these right-wing Zionists do not believe they will have to choose between demography and democracy; they’re convinced they can both grant formal citizenship rights to the West Bank Palestinians while retaining a Jewish majority in their realized vision of a Greater Israel spanning both banks of the Jordan River. One small, insignificant quibble: These liberals are full advocates of institutional racism, in a way that has few equivalents anywhere near the political mainstreams of North America or Western Europe. As little as I think of our liberals, I'd still use scare quotes or something to set this brood apart from 'em. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] One in six French people say they support ISIS
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I tend not to trust polls because they can so easily be skewed. I didn't see the range of questions asked, the order or the context. They said that the ~ 1000 respondents in each country were selected by random dialling, but they didn't say what the total number of people dialled was. I find it hard to believe all those dialled participated because I know what I do when I receive a call from a pollster. That means the respondents were to some extent self-selecting. Then the question becomes why would some people be willing to take the time to express an opinion about ISIS and others not? You might find that the answer to that question already creates a pool favorable to ISIS. Then you must consider why the poll was commissioned by Russian money. I suspect they were looking for the results they got more than they were looking for the truth. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Joseph Catron via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'm particularly happy to see that more in Gaza have an unfavorable view than in France, the United Kingdom, or Germany. (That has something to do with people here knowing what it is, but still.) http://www.vox.com/2014/8/26/6067123/isis-poll -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/clayclai%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] One in six French people say they support ISIS
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well the original poll was taken a month and a half ago, and the raw data is reported here: http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/New-EU-Comb.pdf But I agree with Clay, that these numbers are beyond belief. I suspect the results may have been contaminated by people who didn't even know what they were being questioned about and were too ashamed to admit that (as 20-30% did admit, in the bottom row) and just made a random guess. I think a proper poll should have first ascertained whether a respondent follows news from the Middle East (though of course the form of that determination would likewise bias any poll which restricted the sample base). But if anything like that proportion of people in any European country (or elsewhere) really supported ISIS, then I have totally misread the political landscape and would be stunned. - Jeff At 10:58 01-09-14 -0500, you wrote: === I tend not to trust polls because they can so easily be skewed. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: What Kind of Worker Is a Writer? - The New Yorker
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Eighty years ago this summer, when San Francisco still thrived on the sea trade, the streets of the city teemed with men on strike. Fed up with humiliating working conditions, the longshoremen had called for a halt to labor on the docks. They rallied in public spaces, crammed into the Civic Center, and organized a march down Market Street. In early July, things quickly turned violent. The police cracked down, attacking the unarmed protestors. On a day that became known as “Bloody Thursday,” two strikers were shot and killed, as was one bystander, and hundreds more were hospitalized or injured. Journalists documented the violence, and the city shut down. Among those who witnessed the chaos of the summer was a young radical writer and organizer, Tillie Lerner. Charismatic and impetuous, Lerner was just twenty-two that summer, but she had already fallen in love many times—with books, with revolutionary causes, and with bookish, activist men. She eloped with one of these men, Abe Goldfarb, after her high-school graduation. Though she devoted herself to politics, she also had literary ambitions (at sixteen, she placed a photo of Virginia Woolf on her desk and practiced writing like Woolf and Gertrude Stein). At the time of the strike, she was living in San Francisco with Abe and their young daughter. The couple was growing apart, though, and Lerner kept herself busy planning the strike’s actions. She became close to one of the leaders, Jack Olsen, whom she later married. (She would take his name, becoming Tillie Olsen.) She also reported on the strike, but she wrote about it in a strange way. “The Strike,” published in the Partisan Review, discusses the longshoremen’s labor in relation to her own work—her work as a writer. “Do not ask me to write of the strike and the terror,” her essay begins. I am on a battlefield, and the increasing stench and smoke sting the eyes so it is impossible to turn them back into the past. You leave me only this night to drop the bloody garment of Todays, to cleave through the gigantic events that have crashed one upon the other, to the first beginning. If I could go away for a while, if there were time and quiet, perhaps I could do it. All that has happened might resolve into order and sequence, fall into neat patterns of words. I could stumble back into the past and slowly, painfully rear the structure in all its towering magnificence, so that the beauty and heroism, the terror and significance of those days, would enter your heart and sear it forever with the vision. The essay continues in this manner, juxtaposing violent images of the protests with the author’s internal turmoil. “I am feverish and tired,” she writes near the end. “Forgive me that the words are feverish and blurred.” Such stream-of-consciousness writing is well suited to modernist fiction, but it’s far from the plain style prescribed for proletarian literature. full: http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/kind-worker-writer Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Mary Beard Takes On Her Sexist Detractors
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Interesting profile on British classics scholar Mary Beard. For all her openness to interaction, Beard has found it useful to respond to many of her critics personally and privately—to take the brawl inside. An early online experience was instructive. Just after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Beard was asked by the London Review of Books to contribute her thoughts. She argued, astringently, that it served little purpose to decry the attacks as “cowardly,” or to go no further in analyzing the motivations of the perpetrators than to call them terrorists: “There are very few people on the planet who devise carnage for the sheer hell of it. They do what they do for a cause; because they are at war.” The attacks needed to be understood not merely as an atrocity but as a response to Western foreign policy, and she alluded to a common sentiment in her community—“that, however tactfully you dress it up, the United States had it coming.” She received angry e-mails from correspondents who understood her to have callously suggested that the workers in the Twin Towers deserved to die. full: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/troll-slayer Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Cassandro, the Drag-Queen Star of Mexican Wrestling
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Profile of Mexican wrestler who competes in drag. Once a bad boy, Cassandro has become respectable. He gives talks on diversity at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City, and at the National Autonomous University there. Lucha libre seems to have seized the imaginations of many Europeans. Cassandro teaches classes in England and France. Pussy Riot has claimed lucha libre as the inspiration for the masks its members wear into cultural battle. In 2009, Cassandro and Hijo del Santo wrestled for two consecutive evenings at the Louvre. Cassandro won his current world welterweight title in a match in London, in 2011. He’s been a guest on “BBC Breakfast.” His only complaint about the British is that they insist on calling him a transvestite. He is a drag queen. full: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/man-without-mask Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The ISO, SEIU and the billion dollar pay cut
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A few years ago, an ISO comrade in a Service Employees International Union (SEIU) local won elected office on a reform slate. Within a year, he was publicly promoting a $1 billion pension reform concession on behalf of his own members alongside a Democratic Party mayor. The ISO, rather than reel in their comrade or lead a battle against him or even criticize his efforts turned a blind eye to the whole affair. He continues to be promoted as an important leader in the labor movement and even as an opponent of pension reform and a proponent of class struggle unionism. http://victortoils.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-iso-seiu-and-the-billion-dollar-pay-cut/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Lady Gaga to perform in Tel Aviv as planned, despite mass summer cancelations - Arts Leisure Israel News | Haaretz
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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We have been down this path before. N. Ireland is the classic instance. It was set up in 1922 on the six counties of nine county province of Ulster. the first Prime Minster declared a Protestant parliament for a Protestant people. The reason why only six counties were included in N. Ireland was that the other three had large Catholic majorities. But there were always too many Catholics in N. Ireland - around 30% then and now close to 50%. The demographic danger necessitated systematic discrimination against the Catholics in terms of boundary rigging, jobs and housing. That in turn meant unending social tension between the two communities and that periodically exploded until we now have a state which is divided by its power sharing arrangements. Moreover, it is one that is sliding inexorably into dissolution. The same fate awaits this one-state dreamed off by the Israeli Right. And that is why I still believe that ethnic cleansing is on the Zionist menu. comradely Gary On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Marv Gandall via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Israel’s decision, announced this weekend, to expropriate 1000 acres of Palestinian land is the largest single land grab in the past three decades of the occupation, and further evidence, in case such were needed, that it has no intention of negotiating a two-state solution. I’ve linked below an excellent article published several months ago by the Israeli blogger Noam Shiezaf indicating what prominent figures close to the governing right-wing coalition have in mind for a single Jewish state encompassing the West Bank but excluding Gaza and the Palestinian refugees. Contrary to the fears expressed by their liberal counterparts, these right-wing Zionists do not believe they will have to choose between demography and democracy; they’re convinced they can both grant formal citizenship rights to the West Bank Palestinians while retaining a Jewish majority in their realized vision of a Greater Israel spanning both banks of the Jordan River. http://972mag.com/what-is-the-israeli-rights-one-state-vision/90755/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/gary.maclennan1%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: John Protevi's Blog: Boycott UIUC pledge for scientists and engineers
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Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Gary MacLennan gary.maclenn...@gmail.com wrote: …I still believe that ethnic cleansing is on the Zionist menu. Conceivably. But it’s also conceivable that granting the Palestinians formal citizenship at some point could see their demands for equal rights channelled and absorbed into the Israeli electoral system, encouraging their gravitation towards parties like Balad and even Labour. As we know, granting democratic rights (to vote, to form unions) is a two edged sword: it opens the door to modest improvements within the system at the same time it saps more militant resistance outside of it. Ruling classes often choose to institutionalize disruptive and costly conflict in this way, and it may well underlie the thinking of that segment of the Zionist right cited by Sheizaf. I wouldn’t rule out any scenario. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israel moves closer to a single-state solution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: And that is why I still believe that ethnic cleansing is on the Zionist menu. I could easily have missed the forest for the trees, but at this point, I can't see a coherent Zionist agenda (other than racism all around) or any sort of consensus for the future. The governing coalition can't even agree on whether they're better off with Hamas or the PA running Gaza right now, much less a long-term strategy. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Self slaps Orwell
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I have posted this because I enjoyed Selfs takedown of Orwell's impoverishing view of language and it is worth reminding ourselves that Orwell-whatever his virtues- comes finally to a sort of leftish little-Englander imperialist position in politics ( yes that is contradictory but so is life) http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28971276 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Lady Gaga to perform in Tel Aviv as planned, despite mass summer cancelations - Arts Leisure Israel News | Haaretz
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is disappointing as I rate Gaga as a performer . It was interesting to see the list of musicians who have decided not to play in Israel include America. If my memory is correct they breached the boycott against South Africa (possibly by playing Sun City) . On the figures mentioned in the article Gaga will do well financially in the short term but hopefully there will be a price to be paid for playing in the state that massacres Palestinians-an actual big monster in the world. On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lady Gag-gag... http://www.haaretz.com/life/arts-leisure/1.613304 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/gregadler502%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
