Re: [Marxism] The SEC and Mississippi's Rebel Flag
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Unfortunately, when polled, half (45%) of Mississippians say they do not want to change their flag. From: Marxism on behalf of John A Imani via Marxism Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 4:14 PM To: Wythe Holt jr. Cc: John A Imani Subject: [Marxism] The SEC and Mississippi's Rebel Flag POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The South Eastern Conference and the NCAA announced that it would not hold 'championship' events in the state until it removed the Confederate flag from its own state flag. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/us/mississippi-flag-sec-trnd/index.html This, in my opinion, is as great a change as the NASCAR's to the culture of the South as the SEC, and especially so its college football, is sacrosanct. Until 2010 U of Mississippi still has as its mascot a rebel soldier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Reb JAI _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bernie Sanders Ending Presidential Run
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sanders chose to run as a Democrat despite lots of warnings and the experience of 2016, and while early in his career he might have broken with the Democrats he deliberately chose (I think) to demonstrate to all and sundry that his radical platform, resonant with and favorable to most young voters and many Americans, would (or would not) be supported by the mainstreamers. He found out once again that mainstream Democrat politics is purely capitalist politics and that he has wasted his time money and perhaps entire career. Wythe From: Marxism on behalf of Gary MacLennan via Marxism Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 5:29 PM To: Wythe Holt jr. Cc: Gary MacLennan Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bernie Sanders Ending Presidential Run POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My cup runneth over these days. Corbyn and Sanders did not get to first base. Yet all they were proposing was to save capitalism from capitalists. I really wish they both would quit the corpses they have tried to activate. But Corbyn will never leave Labour. I do not know enough about Sanders, but he should defy the Democratic party and run as an third candidate. But of course he won't. It reminds me again and again of Soviet Russia after Stalin's death in 1953. Reform was desperately need but all the reformers had been murdered and the surviving f/wits could not do it. Or like the Roman Catholic Church. It desperately needs reform as well. But those capable of carrying out reforms have long been silenced or driven out. These are grim days but there is a very dark black macabre humor to be indulged in watching these neoliberal fuckers trying to imitate Keynes in order to save capitalism from neoliberalism. It is all like Dr Johnson's dog walking on two legs. Not well done but you are surprised to see it done at all. comradely Gary On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 6:37 AM Mark Lause via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Or how about just using those funds to set up an organizing committee in DC > capable of bringing several hundred thousand people to the city every time > that Orange Reagan Zombie tries to put someone on the Supreme Court or get > another bailout for "working people"? > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/gary.maclennan1%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] articles on Sanders
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis, could you please resend the two articles posted yesterday or the day before on Bernie Sanders, one approving his candidacy, the other arguing that to stand with a major party is a disaster for him? Thanks, Wythe _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] In Alabama, a Quiet Fight to Marry
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks so much for posting this, Louis. Carol and Jean are good and old friends from my 41 years living and working in Tuscaloosa Al. They were/are wonderful organic farmers and enriched the lives of many of us with their knowledge and efforts. Their joy in each other and in life (for them, farming), their quiet but dogged determination, and their extraordinary kindness and pleasantness come through loud and clear in this op-ed piece. In solidarity, Wythe From: Marxism marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:52 AM To: Wythe Holt jr. Subject: [Marxism] In Alabama, a Quiet Fight to Marry POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NY Times Op-Ed, Feb. 11 2015 In Alabama, a Quiet Fight to Marry By JEAN MILLS and CAROL EICHELBERGER COKER, Ala. — MONDAY morning began like any other morning on our little farm in Alabama, where we have lived together for more than three decades. We already knew that Roy S. Moore, the chief justice of the State Supreme Court, had commanded the state’s probate judges to refuse to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples. But turning on the radio, we learned that the judge in our county, Tuscaloosa, home to the state’s flagship university, had decided to go along with him. We yelled at the radio — and decided to do something about it. Being a lesbian couple in small-town Alabama has its pluses and minuses, for sure. In most ways, we fit in here. Jean was born and raised in Coker; Carol is a relative newcomer, having moved from Texas 40 years ago. People know us and have the grace and mercy to show acts of kindness regularly. At the same time, Alabama is hardly an easy place to be gay. Marriage Equality and the Rule of Law in AlabamaFEB. 10, 2015 This is a state where it has been widely held that folk like us are degenerates, and going to burn in hell. A state where there is a law making same-sex marriage illegal and where, for good measure, citizens have also passed a constitutional amendment to the same effect. Occasionally we pause to wonder how, specifically, our relationship threatens other individuals, their relationship with God, or the institution of marriage, but we don’t make waves. We have never been activists; we’ve never pushed for marriage equality. But still, in 2006, when the little church in our little community posted, on their brand-new marquee, an appeal to vote for that amendment to ban same-sex marriage, we were stung. Many of the church’s members and leaders were our neighbors, whom we shared food from our gardens with, visited when sick, lent generators in power failures, invited to our home. It was a personal, painful reminder that we were not to be thought of or treated as equals. Openly being denied marriage equality was starting to make us uncomfortable. We visited the pastor and implored him to promote goodness and good will toward all people. The post stayed on the church marquee through Election Day. The amendment passed by a landslide 81 percent. Afterward, we went on. Like most people our age, we’ve gone through some difficult times — breast cancer, death of parents and friends, natural disasters in our community. But we’ve gotten through it together and managed to keep our focus on the good stuff: We know that we are dearly loved by family and by friends of all walks of life who are spread across this country. We live on a beautiful farm, in a house we built with our own hands. We’ve been able to earn our living doing the things we love and that fit our values, operating one of Alabama’s first commercial organic vegetable farms and working for a nonprofit that promotes sustainable farming. We were not looking to get involved in this particular cause, but it has found us. While marriage may not be needed to make us feel more fulfilled, alas, we are pragmatists. As we grow older, the not-so-romantic benefits of marriage are becoming important. A few years back we learned that Carol had inherited her father’s Huntington’s disease. Her symptoms have progressed to the point that we now have to begin thinking more seriously about health care, end-of-life and financial security issues. Recently we began to think about how being married would make it easier when dealing with medical and legal institutions. We
Re: [Marxism] Moderator's note
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There were a lot more recruits to socialist views during Debs's time, so it was wise to concentrate leftwing advice and organizing at home. While there is still much work to be done here in the US, giving a moribund leftwing movement life and work at home today means using examples from abroad, while simultaneously attempting to help foreign leftwing movements to grow and to stay on a socialist path. Wythe From: Marxism marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:10 PM To: Wythe Holt jr. Subject: [Marxism] Moderator's note POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 11/30/14 12:52 PM, Charlie via Marxism wrote: LP wrote: Our job as Marxists is simply to form the left wing of new formations like Syriza or Podemos to keep them honest. We must translate LP's posts into Greek and Spanish. The communists of Greece and Spain await his guidance. Because LP knows: A wise armchair revolutionary comments on foreign countries more than on his own. --attributed to E. Debs Charlie, you are smart enough to have written a book on Marxist economics that was pretty well-regarded. But you also seem to be stupid enough to waste bandwidth here with sterile sniping at me. The next time you do this, I will have to remove you. There are 1500 subscribers to Marxmail who are entitled to read serious, thoughtful and substantive posts. Do not waste our time again. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] RE: Fwd: Against football | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Football was a path of upward mobility for my grandfather. He was reared in utter if genteel poverty in the 1870s and 1880s. He began playing football at college, as he was able to eke out two years at Virginia Military Institute in the early 1890s, paid for largely by a grandmother who thought he (and his brother) had the most promise of any of her many grandchildren and saved up a bit of money (giving all she had to the two brothers, and not to her other grandchildren) to help with the amounts that my grandfather and his brother earned in various jobs. I think he was 19 or 20 when he first got to college. He was the star of their team and the alumni paid for a 5th semester for him, so he could play football. Back home, he organized (with his brother) what we would today call a semipro football team, the Hampton Athletic Club (he was from Hampton, VA), and for several years they played football against other semipro teams but also against college squads such as Princeton and Un iversity of North Carolina. Football helped him to overcome the stigma he felt from being poverty-stricken, it made him many friends, and was something he treasured the rest of his long life. Wythe From: Marxism marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of michael perelman via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:17 AM To: Wythe Holt jr. Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Against football | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I sent Louis a copy of my incomplete manuscript of a new book in which a large section reviews the history of football as part of the project of muscular Christianity to toughen up upper class white boys to be more suitable for the military, which is why for quite some time Harvard was the dominant football team. Teddy Roosevelt was a big part of this. After a while, so many players got injured and killed, that Teddy Roosevelt called a conference in the White House to change the rules a bit. Earlier, she had dismissed the injuries as a reasonable price to pay for the process of toughening up young men. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 11/16/14 4:41 PM, Wythe Holt jr. wrote: Thanks for this good sense, Louis. Football -- which unfortunately I like to watch -- breeds violence and disregard of human health through its practices, through the devotion of all connected with the sport to violence and to hitting (the euphemism always used by football people for what they teach players to do to other players, usually as violently as possible), through its macho pseudo-manliness mantras and obedience systems. I hope that all of this about permanent injuries, concussions, and the (often sexual) violence wreaked upon family members and the young coming into the sport -- as you so rightly emphasize -- brings about the demise of this vicious and hurtful sport. Wythe The latest on all this. NY Times, Nov. 14 2014 Florida State Player Fled Crash but Got Only Traffic Tickets By MIKE McINTIRE and WALT BOGDANICH TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- In the early morning hours of Oct. 5, as this college town was celebrating another big football victory by Florida State University, a starting cornerback on the team drove his car into the path of an oncoming vehicle driven by a teenager returning home from a job at the Olive Garden. Both cars were totaled. But rather than remain at the scene as the law requires, the football player, P. J. Williams, left his wrecked vehicle in the street and fled into the darkness along with his two passengers, including Ronald Darby, the team's other starting cornerback. The Tallahassee police responded to the off-campus accident, eventually reaching out to the Florida State University police and the university's athletic department. By the next day, it was as if the hit and run had never happened. The New York Times looked into how the police handled the
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Against football | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks for this good sense, Louis. Football -- which unfortunately I like to watch -- breeds violence and disregard of human health through its practices, through the devotion of all connected with the sport to violence and to hitting (the euphemism always used by football people for what they teach players to do to other players, usually as violently as possible), through its macho pseudo-manliness mantras and obedience systems. I hope that all of this about permanent injuries, concussions, and the (often sexual) violence wreaked upon family members and the young coming into the sport -- as you so rightly emphasize -- brings about the demise of this vicious and hurtful sport. Wythe From: Marxism marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu on behalf of Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:08 PM To: Wythe Holt jr. Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Against football | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For the past few months, there has been a steady barrage of news reports on the moral failings of football players with a tendency to put the blame on those in positions of responsibility both in the professional and amateur realms. But as you might expect, there has been an utter failure to put football into a broader social and political context, something I hope to do in this essay. full: http://louisproyect.org/2014/10/13/against-football/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/wholt%40law.ua.edu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
