Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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I supported (and voted for) Stein - until her campaign began carrying water for 
the Democrats.

The neocons believed enough of Trump’s campaign speeches to fly to HRC, invent 
the fantastical Russiagate scam, and have spooks up to and including Brennan 
threaten coup to prevent his administration’s putting his critiques into 
practice. (They seem to have succeeded.)

Surely a building a revolutionary movement involves talking to people about 
that?

"People not only don't know what's happening to them, they don't even know that 
they don't know” (Chomsky).

Regards, CGE


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:
> 
> On 7/27/17 3:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>> A list devoted to the ideas of the one who said, “...the productive forces 
>> developing in the womb of bourgeois society create the material conditions 
>> for the solution of that antagonism … arising from the social conditions of 
>> life…”?
> 
> We have had productive forces up the wazoo for a century at least. Our job is 
> building a revolutionary movement that can convert them to produce use values 
> rather than exchange values. The Trump presidency is a vicious attack on the 
> American people, from immigrants to gays to wage workers. It is also an 
> attack on our health with Monsanto getting the green light to sell a 
> carcinogenic pesticide that had been banned by the EPA. Health care will 
> disappear soon, with the crappy Obamacare going first. You can talk all you 
> want about how inadequate it is but my unemployed brother-in-law can get 
> medical care without paying a penny now. People like you, Paul Craig Roberts 
> and Michael Hudson conned yourself into believing Trump's campaign speeches 
> just like Carl Davidson conned himself into believing Obama's speeches in 
> 2007. Paul Craig Roberts and Michael Hudson seemed to have awoken from their 
> opium pipe fantasies but you seem to still be intoxicated.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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On 7/27/17 3:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:

A list devoted to the ideas of the one who said, “...the productive forces 
developing in the womb of bourgeois society create the material conditions for 
the solution of that antagonism … arising from the social conditions of life…”?


We have had productive forces up the wazoo for a century at least. Our 
job is building a revolutionary movement that can convert them to 
produce use values rather than exchange values. The Trump presidency is 
a vicious attack on the American people, from immigrants to gays to wage 
workers. It is also an attack on our health with Monsanto getting the 
green light to sell a carcinogenic pesticide that had been banned by the 
EPA. Health care will disappear soon, with the crappy Obamacare going 
first. You can talk all you want about how inadequate it is but my 
unemployed brother-in-law can get medical care without paying a penny 
now. People like you, Paul Craig Roberts and Michael Hudson conned 
yourself into believing Trump's campaign speeches just like Carl 
Davidson conned himself into believing Obama's speeches in 2007. Paul 
Craig Roberts and Michael Hudson seemed to have awoken from their opium 
pipe fantasies but you seem to still be intoxicated.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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A list devoted to the ideas of the one who said, “...the productive forces 
developing in the womb of bourgeois society create the material conditions for 
the solution of that antagonism … arising from the social conditions of life…”?


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:
> 
> On 7/27/17 3:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>> And to see what has happened in China in the generation since Tiananmen 
>> Square, makes it difficult to deny economic development there.
> 
> Of course there is "economic development". There was "economic development" 
> in Nicaragua under Somoza. The GDP was rising dramatically as cattle ranches 
> met the market demand for fast food restaurant supplies. There was economic 
> development in South Korea under the Chaebol system. The Asian tigers were a 
> big fucking deal a while back. In Erdogan's first term, there were 
> expectations that Turkey would "take off". Thomas Friedman has an article at 
> least every 3 months about the next great thing happening somewhere in the 
> Third World.
> 
> Like I said, Carl, this is a Marxism list, not an "economic development" list.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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On 7/27/17 3:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
And to see what has happened in China in the generation since Tiananmen 
Square, makes it difficult to deny economic development there.


Of course there is "economic development". There was "economic 
development" in Nicaragua under Somoza. The GDP was rising dramatically 
as cattle ranches met the market demand for fast food restaurant 
supplies. There was economic development in South Korea under the 
Chaebol system. The Asian tigers were a big fucking deal a while back. 
In Erdogan's first term, there were expectations that Turkey would "take 
off". Thomas Friedman has an article at least every 3 months about the 
next great thing happening somewhere in the Third World.


Like I said, Carl, this is a Marxism list, not an "economic development" 
list.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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The US ruling class’ mad hostility to Putin arises in part from the fact that 
he scuppered the Clinton administration’s plans to turn post-Soviet Russia into 
a Third World country, a supplier of raw materials, controlled by foreign 
(mainly US) capital (vide 
>).

And to see what has happened in China in the generation since Tiananmen Square, 
makes it difficult to deny economic development there.

It’s those 'economic developments' that American capitalism finds so 
threatening - and is willing to kill a lot of people to counter. 

One might say that’s been clear since Halford Mackinder - and in the USG, since 
the Open Door Policy...

—CGE


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Louis Proyect  wrote:
> 
> On 7/27/17 2:40 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>> As they have all along, the 1% demand policies that retard Eurasian economic 
>> development and integration, which they (rightly) see as a threat to the 
>> hegemony of the US elite.
> 
> Eurasian economic development? What a joke. There is no such thing as 
> "economic development" under capitalism. This is the Marxism list, not the 
> import-substitution, post-Keynesian mailing list--in case you hadn't noticed.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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On 7/27/17 2:40 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:


As they have all along, the 1% demand policies that retard Eurasian 
economic development and integration, which they (rightly) see as a 
threat to the hegemony of the US elite.


Eurasian economic development? What a joke. There is no such thing as 
"economic development" under capitalism. This is the Marxism list, not 
the import-substitution, post-Keynesian mailing list--in case you hadn't 
noticed.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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And the only way Trump can win is by striking back at the War Party, who are 
trying to drive him from office, so that they can renew the Obama-Clinton 
administration's war provocations against Russia and China. 

As they have all along, the 1% demand policies that retard Eurasian economic 
development and integration, which they (rightly) see as a threat to the 
hegemony of the US elite.

They seem quite frightened by Trump’s ending CIA support for anti-Assad Syria 
rebels: 
>.
 The Company is contemplating mutiny. 

—CGE

 
> On Jul 27, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism 
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> New White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci pledged to “fire 
> everybody” to stop leaks to the press and almost immediately threatened 
> Reince Priebus, implicitly accusing him of a felony. Meanwhile, the rift 
> between Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions suggests Sessions may be out 
> before long. What does Trump hope to gain from the purges in the highest 
> reaches of his administration?
> At this juncture the priorities of Donald Trump have winnowed down to a 
> single agenda item: saving himself and his family from legal culpability for 
> their campaign interactions with the Russians and their efforts to cover up 
> those transactions ever since. Almost everything this president does must be 
> viewed through this single lens. If you do so, you’ll find his actions 
> usually make sense.
> 
> This overriding motive explains both this week’s orchestrated staff turmoil 
> in the White House and the simultaneous assaults on the civil rights of 
> transgender American troops and all LBGTQ employees in the private workplace. 
> The primary purpose of all of it is to distract from investigations into 
> potential Trump-family criminality and to galvanize a base that Trump 
> believes will protect him against the rule of law. If you have already 
> forgotten Jared Kushner’s loophole-strewn profession of innocence from 
> Monday, that’s the point.
> 
> full: 
> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/everything-trump-does-must-be-viewed-through-this-lens.html
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[Marxism] Fwd: Everything Trump Does Must Be Viewed Through This Lens

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New White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci pledged to 
“fire everybody” to stop leaks to the press and almost immediately 
threatened Reince Priebus, implicitly accusing him of a felony. 
Meanwhile, the rift between Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions 
suggests Sessions may be out before long. What does Trump hope to gain 
from the purges in the highest reaches of his administration?
At this juncture the priorities of Donald Trump have winnowed down to a 
single agenda item: saving himself and his family from legal culpability 
for their campaign interactions with the Russians and their efforts to 
cover up those transactions ever since. Almost everything this president 
does must be viewed through this single lens. If you do so, you’ll find 
his actions usually make sense.


This overriding motive explains both this week’s orchestrated staff 
turmoil in the White House and the simultaneous assaults on the civil 
rights of transgender American troops and all LBGTQ employees in the 
private workplace. The primary purpose of all of it is to distract from 
investigations into potential Trump-family criminality and to galvanize 
a base that Trump believes will protect him against the rule of law. If 
you have already forgotten Jared Kushner’s loophole-strewn profession of 
innocence from Monday, that’s the point.


full: 
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/everything-trump-does-must-be-viewed-through-this-lens.html

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