Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Power to the People !

2005-03-04 Thread Waistline2
CB: Note the last question is in recognition of the issue we are debating 
here,usage of mode of production. And , yes, I know that Marx is ambiguous in 
that usage. However, he does use it to refer to especially property relations 
in one of those double usages, and that is the usage connected to feudalism == 
capitalism ==socialism. The division of labor/ organization of 
technology/technological regime goes through revolutions all the time, or at 
least the 
bourgeoisie are constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production. 

Reply 

WL: The issue was never if Marx did or did not use property or property 
relations in his description of the mode of production. I merely stated several 
time that the mode of production does not mean a set of property relations in 
my 
reading of Marx. But rather a historically specific state of development of 
the material power of production - productive forces with a definable 
technological regime, with the property relations within. 

I of course disagree with the Marxists that infer that Karl Marx use the 
concept mode of production to mean a set of property relations as it is 
connected to feudalism == capitalism ==socialism - specifically. I do not see 
the 
feudalism == capitalism ==socialism implication (inference) in Karl Marx 
writings. 

Marx describes a given state of development of the material power of 
production with the property relations within. I call this given state of 
development 
of the material power of production with the property relations within the 
mode of production and there is a political and theory reason to this 
formulation. 

Now The General - Engels popularized the concept of socialism (feudalism 
== capitalism ==socialism) as the first stage of communism for some very 
specific reasons, but let not get ahead of ourselves. 

Karl Marx speaks of a communistic mode of producing and appropriating - in 
this language, in the Communist Manifesto. A whole section is devoted to 
Communist and Socialist literature and the difference between the two. 

The reason Marx speaks of communistic mode of producing and appropriating (my 
opinion in as much as I continue to speak for myself exclusively) is because 
he presents the question of mode of production on the basis of primitive 
communism then the emergence of private property and its negation or the 
negation 
of the negation as communism in the broad historical sense. Marx does not 
outline the historical process - in my opinion, as feudalism == capitalism 
==socialism - specifically but rather primitive communism -- class society - 
 
abolition of classes, bringing with it the end of the prehistory of man. 

Property relations emerge after the instruments and tools + human labor and 
energy source combines to create the mode of production. Property relations 
does not mean a system of cultural inheritance of private possession of things. 
Property relations means the rights and ability of a section of society to 
compel another section to labor for it and the institutional means to 
appropriate 
all or a part of the social product. Property is transitory. The mode of 
production in material life is not transitory. Hence, it is not blasphemy to 
speak 
of the mode of production in material life with the property relations within. 

The destruction of primitive communism was not possible until new means of 
production - a development of the material power of production, or a 
qualitative 
change in the mode of production, making private property possible, and more 
than that having an excess of material things to appropriate or making private 
appropriation possible. The underlying theory issue has a philosophic side. 

One can of course make any change a negation or negation of the negation 
but socialism is not a qualitative change in property. Socialism is a change 
in the form of property and at best a transition to a negation. Socialism and 
Soviet Industrial socialism was not even a qualitative change in property 
relations. What quality of property changed? Property relations and private 
property means the right of a part of society to appropriate the social 
product. This 
right was not destroyed uner Soviet socialism nor was it possible. 

The change in the form of property was to prepare that way for its 
dissolution. Two things in my opinion prove this: the state was the 
acknowledged 
property holder and secondly the Soviet Union was a value producing society. 

In other words I reject the concept that socialism is a negation of 
capitalism or bourgeois property because negating the bourgeoisie still leaves 
the 
property or what is the same a rejection that socialism is a negation of the 
negation when view from the standpoint of feudalism. Such a view is an 
inference 
and misunderstanding of Marx approach in my opinion. If socialism was in fact a 
qualitative different mode of production, which it is not and cannot be by 
definition, then it would be a negation of a 

[Marxism-Thaxis] Banks and Bonds

2005-03-04 Thread Waistline2
Friends, what are our choices in modifying our position on making these 
scandalous payments? This is the same position of power and theft that the 
World 
Bank and IMF holds over the subjugated countries of the South. Thanks to Diane 
and Bankole for their reporting and editing on these articles. 
 
Charles S
_-
 
 
 
Banks, state bleed DPS

By Diane Bukowski
The Michigan Citizen

DETROIT  While Detroit Public Schools CEO Kenneth Burnley pushes for the 
closing of 110 schools and the lay-offs of 5,400 employees by 2008, banks are 
profiting handsomely off the districts deficit.

In 2005 alone, according to the districts Comprehensive Annual Financial 
Report for 2004, banks will be paid nearly $156 million for DPS bond issues. 
Almost 62 percent of that amount, or $113 million, is interest.

In addition, the district borrowed $210 million in state aid anticipation 
notes from the Michigan Municipal Bond Authority in August 2004, according to a 
memorandum from Gary Olson, director of the Senate Fiscal Agency. That amount, 
which was to help cover the 2004 deficit, is to be repaid by August of this 
year.

If the DPS does default on the $210 million of borrowing, Olson said, 
the 
State Treasurer could extend the re-payment of these notes. This scenario 
would provide the DPS with additional FY 2005 revenues of $210 million. This is 
approximately the amount of additional revenue need by DPS to close out the 
school year without additional budget reductions.

Olson said State Treasurer Jay Rising could exercise the default option 
without approval by the state legislature, but said extending repayment of the 
bonds would require additional interest payments determined by the state.

School activists have opposed the issuance of such state bonds because they 
are repaid out of per-pupil funding to the district, further depleting funds 
already cut because of enrollment losses. They say Rising and the banks have 
the 
option to forgive at least the interest on the DPS debt, to stave off mass 
lay-offs and school shutdowns. 

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By Diane Bukowski
The Michigan Citizen

DETROIT  Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick marshaled financial executives to the table 
during a council public hearing Jan. 31 in a last-ditch attempt to get the 
body to approve a bond to fund pensions.

It took a lot to get them here, said the citys chief financial 
officer, 
Sean Werdlow. 

Werdlow objected loudly when Councilwoman Sharon McPhail got a representative 
of Fitch Ratings, a bond rating agency, to admit his company had frequently 
been apprised of the citys plan to use layoffs and service cutbacks to 
deal 
with a $300 million budget deficit.

The representative, Joe OKeefe, said his agency currently rates the citys 
credit as A, with a negative outlook, unless the city enacts those cuts. 
In 
1992, Wall Street bond rating agencies drastically downgraded the citys 
credit after city unions voted down a ten-percent pay cut.

Werdlow said 2,000 to 3,000 city employees would be laid off unless the bond 
deal is approved. He said it would save the city $160 million in this years 
budget, and compared the deal to refinancing a home mortgage, from a current 
rate of 7.8 percent to a lower rate of 5.6 percent.

Werdlow added that the city could not borrow only the money owed to the 
pension funds this year, but the entire $1.2 billion in liabilities owed over 
the 
next 14 years.

He was directly contradicted at various times by the bond executives, who 
said the citys pension debt is a soft liability, not a hard 
liability like 
a home mortgage, and could be borrowed in annual allotments. 

Stephen Murphy of Standard and Poors, however, said it would be 
financially prudent to make the debt a hard liability.

Councilwoman Sharon McPhail and George Orzech, who both sit on the citys 
Police and Fire Retirement System Board, pointed out that a soft 
liability can 
vary to the citys advantage. In previous years, Orzech said, that system was 
over-funded due to successful investments, eliminating the citys liability.

Addressing Murphy, Councilwoman JoAnn Watson said, If the transaction is 
approved but the stock market goes south in the following years, what would 
that 
do to the citys bond rating?

Watson cited negative factors influencing the nations economy, including 
competition from automakers in China and elsewhere, and the war in Iraq.

Murphy responded, That would be a significant problem. He stressed that 
for the deal to succeed, pension boards would have to resist demands for better 
retiree benefits and distribution of excess profits, as with the 13th 
check 
city retirees used to receive.

Werdlow said the elected retiree boards would still control the distribution 
of proceeds from the bonds. 

The city council is deliberating not only on the bond issue, but also on an 
ordinance to form two non-profit corporations that would oversee the funds, 
doling them out to the boards on an 

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Power to the People !

2005-03-04 Thread Waistline2
Communism - not socialism, is impossible unless one has the economic legs to 
stand on or a revolution in the mode of production (not simply the property 
relations) that destroys value by qualitatively reconfiguring the labor process 
where the great mass of humanity's labor is not needed in the production 
process.

CORRECTION

Communism - not socialism, is impossible unless one has the economic legs to 
stand on.  A revolution in the mode of production (not simply the property 
relations) that destroys value by qualitatively reconfiguring the labor 
process.  

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

2005-03-04 Thread Charles Brown
Of course, the SU's sciences and math was not without errors,etc. In fact ,
trial and error as a process of the development of anything, including
science, is what Marxism expects. This is some of that same rhetoric and
ideology, Marxist rhetoric and ideology , that you refer to below. It comes
from Marx, not just Engels. I'm sure you are familiar with the Theses on
Feuerbach, 2nd Thesis especially. The emphasis on unity of theory and
practice comes from Marx. Marx intends this unity of theory and practice,
including practice as the test of theory to be a distinguishing
characteristic of Marxist epistemology /theory of knowledge from bourgeois
epistemology. 

The errors of the SU and Stalinism in executing Marxism are well within the
margin ( or wide, wide column) of error we would expect for non-geniuses in
trying to practice Marxism. If you are not prepared for regular, crude
people to make this level of error in trying to do Marxism, you are not
ready for Marxism to really change the world, which is to say you are not
ready for Marxism as Marx taught it.


I don't quite agree with you that all that has gone on in bourgeois natural
science, mathematics etc. has been good for humanity, and therefore I don't
agree that it is the standard by which Soviet science is to be judged. In
many ways, Soviet science is the standard by which bourgeois science is to
be judged. The history of bourgeois science, especially in the 20th Century,
has not been turning things-in-themselves into things-for-us. A lot of it is
effectively and practically making things-against-us. 

I develop Engels' ideas a bit ( if what I am saying is not already contained
in what he says), and I find it not to be a crude philosophical developing
on my part :) By it I develop an extremely stringent moral standard by
which scientists are judged, a practicality standard, perhaps stronger than
you have thought. It's a results standard. Even Einstein is judged harshly
by it. For, to the extent that all this new physics has helped the
bourgeoisie in its struggle to prevent socialism, it is not ok, for lack of
a less crude term. The development of nuclear weapons is a gigantic step
backwards for humanity, and the fact that Soviet science did not initiate it
is to Soviet science's credit.

In other words, there should be no pure pursuit of science that does not
take into account the world context of that scientific work, how it will be
used in a practical way is not ok. 

Lysenko is not quite the pariah you suggest. The exploration of possible
avenues of LaMarckian evolution is not so anti-science as you suggest,
although it contradicts genetics' central dogma of no inheritance of
acquired charateristics, and therefore to discuss it is destabilizing. Of
course, Lysenkoism's motive was exactly pure theory. Your problem with
Lysenkoism has to be that it did not link theory with practice and facts
enough, that it was too purely _theoretical_, not subordinating theory to
practicality. It was wishful thinking, and insufficient practical test of
theory. So, I can argue that my rhetoric actually is on the opposite side of
Lysenkoism.

You explain the successes of Soviet science by a miracle.  Maybe, there is a
more material explanation like the negative impact of Stalinism was not
quite as heavy as you portray it. That would be a more scientific way to
explain the data we have on advance of Soviet science. The notion that
theoretical science was totally suppressed seems exaggerated. Lysenkoism is
a theoretical attitude. 

 The idea is unity of theory and practice, _not_ exclusion of theory. Any
claim that Engels is not theoretical is not accurate.

Charles





Ralph Dumain rdumain at igc.org 
You are correct about Lenin as well as Marx and Engels.  Lenin was careful 
about communists' overstepping their bounds of competence.  However, even 
during the 1920s, when activity in all areas was quite creative before 
Stalin's clampdown, certain bad habits got established.

I don't recall exactly when interference in the sciences began.  There was 
of course the notorious meddling in Soviet genetics, which resulted in 
Lysenkoism and severe consequences for Soviet agriculture.  But the theory 
of relativity was also denounced as not conforming to principles of 
dialectical materialism, which occasioned some mockery from 
Einstein.  (After the Post-Stalin thaw, Einstein was held up as an exemplar 
of dialectical materialist thought.)  Mathematicians also suffered during 
this period.  Kolman testifies to the ineptitude imposed on a number of
areas.

No, there was no lack of scientific enterprise in the USSR, but it's a 
miracle that the incompetence and despotism of the leadership didn't sink 
the whole country completely, ironic in view of the crash program of 
industrialization which was dubbed building socialism.

It is also important to recognize that the ideological rhetoric used was 
similar to yours:

This aspect is also interesting because Engels' theory 

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

2005-03-04 Thread Oudeyis
 Have been following your discussion with considerable interest.  Sorry
to lurk so long, but I was occupied in finishing up a paper.

 I was particularly interested in your earlier discussion on emergence.
I agree strongly with Jay Gould that dialectics; Hegelian and Marxist alike,
describe what I suppose would now be called emergent functions.  I have
many reservations about Engel's representation of the dialectic and his
three so-called laws appear to me to be a snobbish attempt to present
Dialectics for the Working Class.  Certainly Llyod Spencer and Andrzej
Krauze's  Hegel for Beginners and Andy Blunden's Getting to Know Hegel are
much more successful representations of dialectical theory.  A search for
emergentism in Marxism would be better served by reinvestigating the methods
of Hegel (his Logics) and of Marx (Practice, or, better, labour practice)
for the mechanics and process whereby they derive emergent complex moments
from simpler prior conditions.  I suspect that the concretisation of
abstraction through successive negation, unity of labour practice and extant
condition in the productive process, and sublation of prior syntheses in
extant dialectical moments will have more significance for understanding
emergence in human history than the hierarchy theories of Salthe, Swenson,
and O'Neil, the emergent semiotics of Hoffmeyer and so on. That is not to
say that systems, even cybernetic systems, are not relevant to the
investigation, but, we must remember that despite Engel's (sometimes
brilliant and sometimes embarrassing) adventures in the dialectics of
Nature, that Hegel and Marx theoretical interests were exclusively focussed
on human activity and human history and were only interested in Nature as a
derived function of human inteaction with material conditions.   Even
Hegel's dialectics on Nature concerned the Natural Sciences and not Nature
as such (as the subject of human contemplation).

Which bring us to the problem of Natural science and Marxism.

Certainly the Natural sciences are a component of modern history.  They
more or less emerge in late Mediaeval Europe together with the development
of powerful urban commercial and industrial institutions.  From the point of
view of Marxist theory, the interesting thing about the Natural sciences is
the relation between the moment of their emergence and the concurrent
developments of European society in all its aspects. For example,  the
optical and astronomical discoveries of the earliest Natural scientists were
most useful for the long-range navigation needs of Europe's commercial and
colonial enterprises while the mathematical developments in geometry,
trigonometry and the calculus were important for the development of improved
techniques for the prompt and accurate estimations of volume, mass, and
weight of goods as well as managing cannon fire.   Even the origin of the
Social Sciences can be traced to this period; Machiavelli and de Seyselle's
practical analyses of government as well as the contemporary development of
double entry accounting and .  But, note, that the Marxist interest in these
developments is in their practical relations to the needs growing out of the
urbanization and commercialization of human life and not as representations
of contemplated Nature.

 Mathematics and the Natural sciences can contribute to the development
of Marxist theory, but only in a form that contributes to the objectives of
the dialectical explication of historical conditions and events.  After all,
in Capital, Marx exploits and develops the practices of contemporary
accounting to provide mechanical mathematical objectifications of the
relations between productive and commercial processes that are critical to
the aims of his theory.  Marx also demonstrates considerable interest in the
physics of machine engineering, but not as an objective description of
Nature, but specifically as it relates to the historical development of
human productive and social practice.   Marx and Engels also adapt
contemporary thinking on organism and on pre- and  proto-human, behaviour to
describe the fundamental material conditions for the development of human
practice.

 In short, the objectives of the practice of the Natural Sciences are
distinct from those of Marxist theory, and their products satisfy needs
different from those that engender social historical theory. Even the
methods are different insofar as the natural scientist enjoys a bit more
distance from the subject of his research (except for quantum
indeterminism)than the social-historian.  Natural Science can be the subject
of investigation by social historical scientists and some of its products
can, with suitable modifications, be adopted to the objects of social
history, but social history has no more qualifications for determining the
practices (theory and activity) of Natural science than do the natural
scientists for the determination of the practices of social historical
science 

[Marxism-Thaxis] Big Jesse on Malcolm X

2005-03-04 Thread Waistline2
The princely paradox of Malcolm X

Forty years on, his legacy offers an example to people of all ethnicities

Jesse Jackson
Tuesday February 22, 2005
The Guardian

As I reflect on the life of Malcolm X 40 years after his assassination, I do
so with a keen understanding of the political, social and economic condition
in America. Like other great leaders, Malcolm - who later accepted the name
Haj Malik El Shabaaz - was influenced by his environment and the social
conditions of his time.

In 1903, WEB Dubois penned the Souls of Black Folk, in which he prophesied
that the central issue of the 20th century would be race. Following the rise
of domestic terrorism, represented by the cowardly nightriders of the Ku
Klux Klan, the organised movement to resist racism began to flourish among
African-Americans. By the end of the century, two paths of resistance had
emerged, led by the Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X.

Although their paths had parallel ends, each was distinct. Dr King, having
studied the philosophies of Jesus and Mahatma Gandhi, focused on non-violent
direct action to achieve a shift in the paradigm of public policy. He
employed liberation theology to frame racism as a national moral sin.

Malcolm X studied the philosophy of Marcus Garvey as a young man and
developed a black nationalist perspective in response to racial bigotry. He
viewed appeals to the US government for redress as taking the criminal to
his own court. He gained national notoriety as the no-nonsense voice of the
Nation of Islam, imploring people to revolutionary change by any means
necessary.

Malcolm X's perspective had a great appeal among college students and those
adults unwilling to turn the other cheek. Yet his legacy centres not
around his defiance and fiery oratory, but his intellectual evolution.

Let us not forget that Malcolm Little was elected president of his
eighth-grade class. But after his father's brutal murder at the hands of
white racists, and the mental breakdown of his mother, Malcolm was drawn to
street life, which resulted in a prison term. While in prison he returned to
the discipline of academic study and joined the Nation of Islam.

After returning from Islam's holy site of Mecca, Malcolm changed his
philosophy from the perspective that the Anglo-Saxon was the embodiment of
evil to a global understanding of humanity which encompassed good and evil
within all ethnicities.

As it had been in the turbulent 1960s, the perceived political authenticity
of Malcolm X was praised by college students in the 1990s following Spike
Lee's film Malcolm X. Malcolm's image was immortalised on clothing, artwork
and building murals, and by popular rap groups such as Public Enemy on the
theme of anti-establishment defiance of the status quo.

Today, the life of Malcolm Little, Malcolm X, Haj Malik El Shabaaz, is
instructive in three poignant ways. His academic studiousness is a brilliant
example to youth who, in many cases, define what is cool as non-academic.
As we seek to reclaim our youth as a nation, we must transform their values
to embrace academic excellence and civil participation. Malcolm's
rebelliousness after his father's murder is an example in the negative of
the need to keep one's eyes on the prize of scholastic achievement.

Second, Malcolm X's rejection of destructive behaviour is instructive as a
set of values which places dignity above designer clothes. We should not
forget that while in Boston, Malcolm dressed like a pimp, acted like a thug
and was jailed. However, during his enlightenment while incarcerated, he
realised that his purpose in life was not to pimp, peddle and plunder, but
rather to be clean and upright in his attitude. It is a fact that in many
instances one's dress determines the perception of others.

Lastly, Haj Malik El Shabaaz is a glowing example of the individual need to
seek a higher understanding. Proverbs 4:7 advises the faithful to seek
wisdom. As a devout Muslim, he journeyed to the holiest of holy places in
Islam on a pilgrimage to develop a deeper understanding of his faith and his
role in the world. After Mecca, Malik El Shabaaz viewed Anglo-Saxons as
brothers in humanity, provided they were clean and upright.

Malcolm's life and legacy in study and practice illuminate our path today:
his defiance, determination and dignity have made us all better. Like Dr
King, he was assassinated when he was 39. The noble Ossie Davis delivered
the famous phrase in his eulogy that Malcolm X as Haj Malik El Shabaaz was
our black shining prince.

The princely paradox of Malcolm X's life was that he was inflexible on the
question of dignity, yet very flexible to intellectual growth, and people of
all ethnicities will be well served to emulate his shining example.


 

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[Marxism-Thaxis] Re: Marxism-Thaxis Digest, Vol 17, Issue 4

2005-03-04 Thread A. Mani

  1. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Ralph Dumain)
  2. Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Hans G. Ehrbar)
  3. Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Charles Brown)
  4. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Ralph Dumain)
  5. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Ralph Dumain)
  6. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Choppa Morph)
  7. Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Charles Brown)
  8. Barkley Rosser's Home Page: Aspects of Dialectics  and
 Nonlinear Dynamics  (Charles Brown)
  9. (no subject) (Fred Feldman)
 10. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Ralph Dumain)
 11. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Ralph Dumain)
 12. Re: Power to the People ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 13. Banks and Bonds ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 14. Re: Power to the People ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 15. Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Charles Brown)
 16. Power to the People ! (Charles Brown)
 17. Re: Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels (Oudeyis)
 

Mathematics is always founded in practice and reality one way or the 
other. It is necessarily dialectical  because all human reasoning can be 
seen as a dialectical process. It is the extent to which one makes it 
dialectical is what is more important. Actually I work on formal 
dialectical logics and the measures of the 'more important' too. ..and 
there is a lot still to be done.

Coming to Marx's mathematics, I did know about the connections with 
nonstandard analysis also (not my field).  But the connections with 
constructivism are also fairly obvious. In fact Marx can be seen as 
somebody involved in founding the back-bone of modern computer science.

During Stalin's time they had free access to all the mathematics of the 
world, but some publications were restricted from going to the west. 
Their performance in research was very good.

A. Mani
Member, Cal. Math. Soc
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[Marxism-Thaxis] Particleless process

2005-03-04 Thread Charles Brown
I have been reading Ralph Dumain's notes. The notion of everything as
process /nothing is a particle  seems a neo-Hericlitean one.
 
Charles
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Dialectics and systems theory (was Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels)

2005-03-04 Thread Jim Farmelant

I wrote the following back in 1998 for Proyect's Marxmail list.

Jim F.
--
The  Fall 1998 issue of SCIENCE  SOCIETY is a special issue devoted to
dialectics: The New Frontier. It features noted Marxist scholars,
Bertell Ollman and Tony Smith, as the guest editors and includes articles
by such noted Marxists as Frederic Jameson, Richard Levins, Nancy
Hartsock, Istevan Meszaros and Joel Kovel amongst others. This issue
attempts to cover many of the important questions concerning dialectics
why Marxism needs dialectics in the first place, whether Marx's dialectic
constitutes a reflection of what the world really is (ontological
dialectics)or is it a method for investigating the world (epistemological
dialectics)or both. Does the dialectic apply just to history and society
or does it apply to nature in general (dialectics of nature)? Is
dialectical analysis applicable just to organic interactions within
capitalism or is it generally applicable to historical change? Was
dialectics for Marx primarily a method of exposition (especially for
*Capital*) or was it also a method of inquiry as well? Also, which
dialectical categories: contradictions, internal relations, the negation
of the negation etc. were of central importance for Marx? 

One interesting article is the one by Richard Levins, Dialectics and
Systems Theory. Levins attempts to answer the question of whether or not
the development of a rigorous, quantitative mathematical systems theory
makes dialectics obsolete. That is a question that Barkley Rosser and
others here (if not on this list then on earlier lists like the old M-I
and M-SCI) have dealt with. As Levins notes, his friend the evolutionary
biologist, John Maynard Smith, had argued that  systems theory has made
dialectics obsolete because it offers a set of concepts like feedback
in place of Engels' notion of the interchange between cause and effect;
the threshold effect in place of the mysterious transformation of
quantity into quality and that the notion of the negation of the
negation is one that he never could make sense of.

Levin, however, disagreed with Maynard Smith and he contended that
dialectics should not be subsumed into systems theory while at the same
time acknowledging that in his opinion contemporary systems theory does
constitute an important example of modern science becoming more
dialectical albeit in an incomplete, halting and inconsistent manner. As
he pointed out systems theory is a moment in the investigation of
complex systems which facilitates the formulation of problems and the
interpretation of solutions so that mathematical models can be
constructed that will make the obscure obvious. At the same time, Levins
stresseed that systems theory is still a product of the reductionist
tradition in modern science which emerged out of that tradition's
struggle to come to terms with complexity, non-linearity and change
through the use of sophisticated mathematical models.

Richard Levins in beginning his article with an account of his exchanges
with John Maynard Smith over whether or not mathematical systems theory
can replace dialectics raises in my mind some interesting questions.
First, it is worth noting that Maynard Smith, himself, was best known for
his work in the application of game theory to elucidating Darwinian
theory. John Maynard Smith has along with other evolutionists like
William Hamilton, George Williams, and Richard Dawkins elaborated an
interpretation of Darwinism that takes a gene's eye view of evolution -
that in other words treats not organisms but individual genes within the
gene pool of a given population as the units of selection. This
conception arose out of Hamilton's work in developing Darwinian
explanations of altruism. Hamilton concluded that altruism could not be
explained if we took individual organisms as the basic units of selection
since altruistic behavior almost by definition impairs the reproductive
fitness of the individual organism by acting in the interests of other
organisms at the expense of its own interests. Hamilton argued that such
behavior becomes explicable once we realize that it is individual genes
that are the units of selection. Thus, if an organism sacrifices itself
to protect the lives of its siblings or offspring it is in fact ensuring
that its own genes survive into future generations through its siblings
or offspring so natural section will favor such behavior.

Hamilton and fellow theorists like George Williams argued that it is
possible to understand evolution at the gene level if we postulate that
genes are acting like rational self-interested actors or what Dawkins
call selfish genes. Maynard Smith has taken this a few steps further by
using game theory to show what kinds of strategies that genes (conceived
of as being rational and self-interested) will adopt to ensure their
survival either in competition or in cooperation with other genes. Thus
he has given to evolutionary biology 

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Van Heijenoort's critique of Engels

2005-03-04 Thread Ralph Dumain
I'm substantially in agreement with you here.  Now, if one wants to unify 
the marxist and natural-scientific perspectives, in place of relegating 
them to separate perspectives, then one has to rise to that level of 
abstraction to construct a unified account of both.  This ridiculous meme 
theory is a noteworthy example of the failure of natural scientists to 
encompass the social.  They've still learned nothing.  And Marxists also 
have their work to do.  (I just ran into Sohn-Rethel's first blunder: his 
account of Galileo's concept of inertia.)

BTW, what do you think of this biosemiotics business.  The one theoretical 
biologist I know who is into this is full of crackpot ideas.  Im very 
distrustful:

Claus Emmeche
Taking the semiotic turn,
or how significant philosophy of biology should be done
http://mitdenker.at/life/life09.htm
Also at this url:
http://www.nbi.dk/~emmeche/cePubl/2002b.Wit.Sats.html
Note this key passage:
More and more biologists are beginning to understand that the essence of
life is to mean something, to mediate significance, to interpret signs.
This already seems to be implicitly present even in orthodox Neo-Darwinism
and its recurrent use of terms like code, messenger, genetic
information, and so on. These concepts substitute the final causes
Darwinists believed to have discarded 150 years ago, they have become
firmly established in molecular biology with specific scientific meanings;
and yet they the semiotic content or connotations are rarely taken serious
by the scientists to the extant that there is a tendency to devaluate
their status as being merely metaphors when confronted with the question
about their implied intentionality or semioticity (cf. Emmeche 1999). This
secret language, where code seems to be a code for final cause, points
to the fact that it might be more honest and productive to attack the
problem head-on and to formulate an explicit biological theory taking
these recurrent semiotics metaphors serious and discuss them as pointing
to real scientific problems. This means that a principal task of biology
will be to study signs and sign processes in living systems. This is
biosemiotics -- the scientific study of biosemiosis. Semiotics, the
general science of signs, thus becomes a reservoir of concepts and
principles when it is recognized that biology, being about living systems,
at the same time is about sign systems. Moreover, semiotics will probably
not remain the same after this encounter with biology: both sciences will
be transformed fundamentally while gradually being melded into one more
comprehensive field.
While many of the ideas adumbrated in this review seem to be quite
fruitful, this paragraph is the tipoff that something is rotten in the
state of Denmark.
At 05:28 PM 3/4/2005 +0200, Oudeyis wrote:
 Have been following your discussion with considerable interest.  Sorry
to lurk so long, but I was occupied in finishing up a paper.
 I was particularly interested in your earlier discussion on emergence.
I agree strongly with Jay Gould that dialectics; Hegelian and Marxist alike,
describe what I suppose would now be called emergent functions.  I have
many reservations about Engel's representation of the dialectic and his
three so-called laws appear to me to be a snobbish attempt to present
Dialectics for the Working Class.  Certainly Llyod Spencer and Andrzej
Krauze's  Hegel for Beginners and Andy Blunden's Getting to Know Hegel are
much more successful representations of dialectical theory.  A search for
emergentism in Marxism would be better served by reinvestigating the methods
of Hegel (his Logics) and of Marx (Practice, or, better, labour practice)
for the mechanics and process whereby they derive emergent complex moments
from simpler prior conditions.  I suspect that the concretisation of
abstraction through successive negation, unity of labour practice and extant
condition in the productive process, and sublation of prior syntheses in
extant dialectical moments will have more significance for understanding
emergence in human history than the hierarchy theories of Salthe, Swenson,
and O'Neil, the emergent semiotics of Hoffmeyer and so on. That is not to
say that systems, even cybernetic systems, are not relevant to the
investigation, but, we must remember that despite Engel's (sometimes
brilliant and sometimes embarrassing) adventures in the dialectics of
Nature, that Hegel and Marx theoretical interests were exclusively focussed
on human activity and human history and were only interested in Nature as a
derived function of human inteaction with material conditions.   Even
Hegel's dialectics on Nature concerned the Natural Sciences and not Nature
as such (as the subject of human contemplation).
Which bring us to the problem of Natural science and Marxism.
Certainly the Natural sciences are a component of modern history.  They
more or less emerge in late Mediaeval Europe together with the development
of powerful urban commercial