Re: [Marxism] Fwd: What Is the Deep State? | The Nation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Cited in the Greg Grandin article - "Historian Brad Simpson is critical of the concept of “deep state”; he argues that it is “a way for people on the left to try and pathologize or render conspiratorial the normal workings of executive branch agencies and power vis-a-vis the foreign policy apparatus more generally. There are policy currents and social constituencies (in industry, finance, etc.) that find expression in particular agencies and factions of particular agencies, and whose views are not all that hard to discern, even if they are idiosyncratic.”)" Much discussion on the Left about the "Deep State's" machinations against Trump seems eerily similar to the discussion of Syria. In both cases, the role of masses of people involved in protests are ignored as if they don't exist as active participants. Almost FOUR MILLION PEOPLE marched against Trump three weeks ago in the US. Meetings spontaneously called are mushrooming all over the country, and people who never gave a damn about politics are now consumed by it. 200 Republican officeholders are refusing to attend town meetings in fear of their constituents, and very little of it is being organized by the frightened and confused Democrats! "Sometimes the revolution needs the whip of the counter-revolution!" - Marx "Sometimes nothing happens for decades, and sometimes decades happen in weeks!" -Lenin On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism > > > What I suspect is happening is this. The Security apparatuses are herding > Trump in a particular direction. It would appear to be away from Russia and > back to NATO's encirclement option. Is it working? Hard to say but it is > worth noting that the White House grandees who spoke in Europe recently > were all keen to say they were going along with that option. > > For me the leaks are all about the disciplining of the President. > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: What Is the Deep State? | The Nation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * What I suspect is happening is this. The Security apparatuses are herding Trump in a particular direction. It would appear to be away from Russia and back to NATO's encirclement option. Is it working? Hard to say but it is worth noting that the White House grandees who spoke in Europe recently were all keen to say they were going along with that option. For me the leaks are all about the disciplining of the President. The other stuff that Trump appears to be into - The Judaeo Christian warrior looking for a Battle of Lepanto Mark 2 - has most sane people at least puzzled. Who knows what the CIA etc think of this? When they look at Bannon do they see "The last knight of Europe takes weapons from the wall; the last and lingering troubadour to whom the bird has sung that once went winging southward when all the world was young?" I have no idea. How could I? But I have a strong suspicion that Bannon who probably grew up on a diet of Chesterton and Belloc looks in the mirror every morning and sees a latter day Don Juan. In any case we would do well not to underestimate the paranoia of the denizens of the Deep State. When they look at Trump they appear to worry that they may be looking at the Moscow Candidate. Most people discounted the story of the "Pee Pee Tape" as SNL calls it. But I do wish I had the same chance of winning the lotto as the odds that the CIA etc believe such a tape exists. So what will happen? My guess is that Trump will be herded away from Putin. Then there might be an operation to herd him away from Bannon. If Trump resists, he will go down. ae Gary On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:16 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > By Greg Grandin. > > https://www.thenation.com/article/what-is-the-deep-state/ > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/gary.maclennan1%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: What Is the Deep State? | The Nation
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * By Greg Grandin. https://www.thenation.com/article/what-is-the-deep-state/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
