[MLL] The story behind the Palestine papers

2011-01-25 Thread editor_revdem
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/23/story-behind-leaked-palestine-papers?intcmp=239 The story behind the Palestine papers How 1,600 confidential Palestinian records of negotiations with Israel from 1999 to 2010 came to be leaked to al-Jazeera * * Seumas Milne and

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment of ourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
George is most certainly entitled to his opinion. q Everyone agree the CPUSA was never a party of insurrection or a “party of a new type,” Bolshevized. Nor were any of the anti-revisionist clusters of the 70’s and 80’s. The question posed was why? There is much more to creating a “party

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment of ourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/25/2011 6:38:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _Waist line2@aol.com_ (mailto:waistli...@aol.com) writes: There is much more to creating a “party of insurrection” than adopting formal rules and the Leninists trappings, like saying we are guided by democratic

Re: [MLL] [excerpt] THESES ON THE BOLSHEVISATION OF THE PARTIES OF THE COMINT...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Marxism recognises a class struggle . . . . in the most significant thing in politics - the organisation of state power. Lenin Comment Entering An Epoch of Social Revolution by Nelson Peery is available on line in its entirety. (Quote) We can honestly state that from the very

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment ofourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread George G
Dear comrades and friends, Another brief comment. I did not talk of a party of insurrection. If anything I talked of the question of the Bolshevization of the party. If a party is Bolshevized, it should know how to work in a non-revolutionary situation but should be prepared for an

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: Sorry..

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
My bad, but I did send in the correction. Not revolutionary class but revolutionary crisis. Sorry about the error. Waistline In a message dated 1/25/2011 10:00:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, geor...@micronetix.net writes: It is certainly possible to sustain a Bolshevik party in

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: Sorry..

2011-01-25 Thread George G
Dear Waistline, Sorry, you did send in the correction. However, that only answers the very last part of my criticism. George - Original Message - From: waistli...@aol.com To: marxist-leninist-list@lists.econ.utah.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:06 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment of ourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread frankenstein580
There is much more to creating a “party of insurrection” than adopting  formal rules and the Leninists trappings, like saying we are guided by  democratic centralism.  It was impossible to create, much less sustain a  party of a new type in the absence of revolutionary CRISIS.  The 1970’s, 

Re: [MLL] Thesis on the Bolshevisation of Parties PT 1

2011-01-25 Thread Mark Scott
Comrades,   Melvin states:   There was no class struggle means there was no struggle for and over the  organization of state power. Class struggle is political. It is the life and death fight to overthrow a social system. Class struggle is the struggle for political power. In the 1970's 

Re: [MLL] some thoughts on the CPUSA: a whole assessment ofourrevolutionary...

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Founded as a political trend, Bolshevism emerged as a political party a decade later - 1912. Bolshevization means development as a party whose purpose is seizing state power and establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat. A party cannot be Bolshevized in a non-revolutionary situation,

[MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Class is a big word and not simply a power relation. In say 1951, the Soviet working class was an industrial working class but not an industrial proletariat. Sure, everyone referred to the Soviet working class as the Soviet proletariat because of its position as shock brigade, but there

Re: [MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts Correction

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 1/25/2011 7:44:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, waistli...@aol.com writes: Class is a big word and not simply a power relation. In say 1951, the Soviet working class was an industrial working class but not an industrial proletariat. Sure, everyone referred to the

Re: [MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts correction

2011-01-25 Thread Waistline2
Non-revolutionary periods are all the quantitative boundaries a system goes through before qualitatively new means of production begin to disrupt the unity of the mode of production. Correction Non-revolutionary periods are all the quantitative boundaries a system goes through

Re: [MLL] Class and revolution: complexity of words and concepts

2011-01-25 Thread frankenstein580
I guess that at every epoch there arises  notorious revisionists who have surrendered  to their  disdain of that most  complex and extraordinary class; a class either loathed or obsessed by society; independent of many influences;  able to steer itself, much like their anti-thesis, the