Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Another pressing question as I see it, you talk about automatic bug search and and offer the user to comment or vote on an existing one if a match is found. I've seen alot of bug tools in my time trying to do to the same, I have to say that the matching algorithm usually works when the user scores

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote: Crash reporting isn't currently targeted for normal users for few reasons: * Crash dumps are large and can contain private information  (like passwords).  Hopefully in Harmattan we can can use  minidumps that

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Randall, I am thinking along the line of something like a sort of expert system, a web ui, that offers bug/problem domains to the user to choose from. Then according to the problem domains a set of question are presented for the user to answer with minimum free text. And so on and forth. We

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-community] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Randall, I am thinking along the line of something like a sort of expert system, a web ui, that offers bug/problem domains to the user to choose from. Then according

Re: [MeeGo-dev] What are you waiting for to happen in MeeGo?

2010-03-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I'd like to have access to an image or a scratchbox environment to start testing and experimenting with PySide on it. Also, instructions how to turn your N900 to running MeeGo. Sivan On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:31 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@cesmail.netwrote: Quoting Carsten Munk

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Instructions for ARM / N900 (was Re: Day 1 is here ...)

2010-03-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Toni Nikkanen t...@tuug.fi wrote: Well you can use the backup utility of course, but it doesnt't backup everything. The interesting thing to do is try to get it installed on a memory card and try from there. I would look into the direction of Fanoush's

[MeeGo-dev] State of current trunk

2010-04-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi all, So what have we got so far? Is Meego half-decent at least to start everyday testing with at least calls and internet ? (excluding video and audio playing and ipod like functionality like in the N900) Sivan ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list

Re: [MeeGo-dev] How can I start developing application for Meego.

2010-05-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Since MeeGo will be using/deployed with the Qt framework , you could start by developing with the Qt framework. For doing both Simulated and On device app testing, you'd be delighted to meet indeed the Nokia QT mobile sdk, downloaded from here[0]. Qt is a comprehensive framework that provides

[MeeGo-dev] Support for nVidia ION

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
List, As I read now the release for netbook does not support nVidia based boxes, when is that going to change? The only testing platform so far for MeeGo that I have is a HP Mini 311c which carries an ION based nvidia GPU and periphery. Can I help it to have a version that will be able to run on

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Is Meego aimed to defeat iphone?

2010-05-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Jianchun! I would not define this that way. Personally I would like to see a comparable offering from Nokia/Intel with MeeGo in terms of usability and low maintainance device/OS combination as Apple provides. From the device Technology aspect, Nokia are already superseding Apple in several

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Summit - Structured brainstorming format in the form of BOFs and Wiki Specs.

2010-06-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dirk Hohndel dirk.hohn...@intel.com wrote: The current plan is to have two days of a more traditional, presentation focused conference and one day of a (for lack of a better word) unconference. That third day might be more what you are looking for. According

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Forum / mail integration (was MeeGo Summit - Structured brainstorming...)

2010-06-07 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Foster, Dawn M dawn.m.fos...@intel.com wrote: A while back, we made the discussion to move the community office discussions to the forum. After living with that decision for a month or so, I'm starting to think that the discussions should be moved back to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Qt 4.7 packaging for MeeGo 1.1

2010-06-16 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: Should that not be directly preferable or possible, I'd think it would be a nice idea to have one (or more) people who sit between the two communities step up to handle it in a similar role: applying what MeeGo

[MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dear List, I hope this is a proper forum to bring this up - but I have been annoyed with the fact that once a phone call is arriving in N900 (currently with Maemo Fremantle) there is a rather large room for error when you need to take the device out of a pocket or a backpack's drawer. Since

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Sivan Greenberg siv...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List,  I hope this is a proper forum to bring this up - but I have been annoyed with the fact that once a phone call is arriving in N900 (currently with Maemo

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Randall Arnold tex...@ovi.com wrote: I do agree that there was a serious design error on the N900 phone UI.  The Reject button should not have the exact same prominence as the Accept, at the very least.  Accept should be the easy default and Reject a little

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Qt Mobility says Hello MeeGo World!

2010-06-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:22 AM, gerard.lough...@nokia.com wrote: Only last week we made a program decision to adopt MeeGo as our default development environment for Qt Mobility development. This I hope is great news for all of you. Our plan will involve porting all of the Qt Mobility

Re: [MeeGo-dev] State of N900 image after Handset Day 1

2010-06-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I would dual boot it on the N900 if you don't have any other device you can fall back to if you need critical phone functionality. But, it is interesting to know the level of openness this release carries. Sivan 2010/7/1 Freyr Magnússon freyr.magnus...@gmail.com: I'm looking for some

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Tomorrow, sorry .. RE: State of N900 image after Handset Day 1

2010-06-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of ext Sivan Greenberg [si...@omniqueue.com] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:41 AM To: Development for the MeeGo Project (discussion list) Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] State of N900 image after Handset Day

Re: [MeeGo-dev] developer hardware mobile from nokia needed

2010-07-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Stone Mirror le...@shugendo.org wrote: Agreed: for a phone form factor, the N900 is what it is at the moment, and if costs what it costs. In comparison with other comparable development platforms, the N900 is quite reasonably priced, I've found. Indeed. My

Re: [MeeGo-dev] sdk

2010-07-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: Hi Nicola, On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Nicola De Filippo nic...@nicoladefilippo.it wrote: Hi, i would use the sdk for Meego (phone), but the SDK Currently, the simulator runs only on host systems with an Intel

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo UX in VirtualBox

2010-07-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
List, After googling around I saw there is no authoritative page with proper instructions to get up MeeGo UX (the complete UX , not just X booting or a very lightweight window manager) under VirtualBox for either Intel or nVidia host GFX chips. I suggest anybody who had success doing so, put

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PyQt

2010-07-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Yes I would expect it'd be much the same way it is down for Maemo, note that you might need to download and install source versions of the tools since there might not be RPMs for that at this time. [1] http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/installation.html [2]

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PyQt

2010-07-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dear Fathi, That was not my intention, well, in better- I meant heading to bind some new libs that did not exist when PyQt was created and thought of a couple of features that I will *personally* very much like in PySide once their finished, like this[0] one for example. Sorry for

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PyQt

2010-07-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Atilla, On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Attila Csipa me...@csipa.in.rs wrote: Just a smallish note from someone who follows PyQt development fairly closely - I would not be surprised if those new libs (or at least a major subset of them) popped up as supported under PyQt. My OBS-foo is not

Re: [MeeGo-dev] web-enabled

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I think that it refers to the fact that it is very easy to write apps in Qt that use the internet, or allow web browsing and web serving consumption. But that's my guess. Sivan On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Nicola De Filippo nic...@nicoladefilippo.it wrote: Him here

[MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi list, I am just trying to follow the MeeGo QEMU image instructions, but when trying to start the image: si...@sivan-desktop:~/n$ ./qemugl_cmd.sh meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0729/meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0729.raw Could not access KVM kernel module: No

Re: [MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/universe qemu 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.2 [13.9kB] Still, running the image gives the same KVM missing error, going to try and see if a different kernel image is needed. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Hi list,  I am

Re: [MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
, Ameya Palande ameya.pala...@nokia.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 16:47 +0200, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: So , now I tried installing qemu from the lucid repos, and some kvm in name packages were installed: Get:1 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main libaio1 0.3.107-3ubuntu2 [9,512B

Re: [MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: r...@sivan-desktop:~# modprobe kvm-intel FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.32-22-generic-pae/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported I didn't check if the device node was created since this error msg :) What's next

Re: [MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Fathi ! On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM, fathi.bou...@nokia.com wrote: I assume you talk about QEMU GL from MeeGo SDK? This page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU It is documented: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU

Re: [MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Great, so it is mentioned in here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration . Can we quick link this from the page where it explains how to execute the image as a quick tip if it fails like it did for me? -Sivan On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Multitouch support vs. New Ubuntu Multitouch API

2010-08-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hey Claudio, I found some interesting points here: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/ville-vainios-forum-nokia-blog/2010/08/13/mtf_docs_on_web The interesting point being this can be tested on N900, as Ville explains. -Sivan 2010/8/18 Cláudio Sampaio pat...@gmail.com: Hi. I've search

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Multitouch support vs. New Ubuntu Multitouch API

2010-08-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Thiago Macieira thi...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday 18 August 2010 13:10:23 Cláudio Sampaio wrote: Hi. I've search through meego's site for multitouch and couldn't find anything relating to its multitouch support. How multitouch support in Meego relates to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [QA] Looking for input on implementing automated image installation

2010-08-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I think as proposed in the bug report, there should be a way to trigger dd (and bunzip2) with a command or script under busybox to received bytes of the netcat chosen port. I may be wrong here, but setting NFS on the busybox system could introduce dependency overhead and adds filesystem

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Looking for a right way to create daemons on MeeGo

2010-09-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Auke Kok auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote: On 09/03/10 09:42, Epshteyn, Eugene wrote: Are there instructions for MeeGo similar to what exists for Debian (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch9.en.html) about setting up daemons?  I have some

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Upstart in MeeGo?

2010-09-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Sorry for the ignorance but what is MeeGo using at the moment? I've had a lot of issues with upstart on Ubuntu so if there an alternative which is even what's now in MeeGo locally developed, it could probably stick. -Sivan On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Arjan van de Ven ar...@linux.intel.com

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Creating a Python project for MeeGo

2010-09-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Attila Csipa me...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Matti Airas matti.p.ai...@nokia.com wrote: In my opinion, Core OS, absolutely. There's already a world of pain in Maemo 5, with Python being just in Extras and thus effectively prohibited

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Creating a Python project for MeeGo (was: pyside in repo.meego.com?)

2010-09-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Matti Airas matti.p.ai...@nokia.com wrote: On 20.09.2010 17:41, ext Per Åstrand wrote: Hi! I've been checking the repositories for python support. AFAICT the compliance doc at http://www.pyside.org/2010/09/meegotouch-bindings-alpha-available/ requires an

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Creating a Python project for MeeGo (was: pyside in repo.meego.com?)

2010-09-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Sorry, tomorrow is just the community office meeting. But I think we should prepare a project proposal on the wiki and ask to add it to next TSG meeting for approval. -Sivan On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Matti Airas

[MeeGo-dev] Version of Qt the Nokia Qt SDK has.

2010-09-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, Trying to download the newly released Nokia Qt SDK using the online Linux 32 bit installer suggests that the version of Qt that is delivered with it is 4.6.3 (if to judge by the sources download option). Also, without claiming for accuracy I couldn't find the release notes to check the

[MeeGo-dev] GConf as the settings database

2010-09-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, According to http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture , GConf is the settings database for MeeGo. Give MeeGo SDK is heavily based and utilizes Qt, is this for backward compatibility or indeed the main settings database that should be used from within Qt through something like [0]

Re: [MeeGo-dev] GConf as the settings database

2010-09-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: No, at least, I very much doubt it. libgq seems to be unmaintained - or at least, nobody seems interested in taking my patches to it, despite repeated attempts to get somebody to have a look (see

Re: [MeeGo-dev] GConf as the settings database

2010-09-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Thiago Macieira thi...@kde.org wrote: On Saturday 25. September 2010 16.46.14 Martin Grimme wrote: Hi, I suppose QSettings would be the portable class of choice for accessing GConf on MeeGo, ini-Files on Linux and Mac, Registry on Windows. The documentation

Re: [MeeGo-dev] GConf as the settings database

2010-09-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Thanks for this reply, seems that betting on MGConfItem is reasonable. Just use QSettings if you don't need to listen to subscribe to changes

Re: [MeeGo-dev] GConf as the settings database

2010-09-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote: The Right Thing would have been (IMO) to get behind dconf, and write the Qt-equivalent of GSettings for Harmattan.  This didn't happen and libgq just doesn't die.  There is a copy of it somewhere in Qt Mobility as

Re: [MeeGo-dev] GConf as the settings database

2010-09-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote: copies in libmeegotouch and Qt Mobility and takes patches, etc.  He/she might also want to follow the 'vision' of libgq and provide more wrappers, such as for GIO. Marius, apart for the gconf -2lib that it

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Python packaging policy for MeeGo?

2010-10-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Matti Airas matti.p.ai...@nokia.com wrote: [1] http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_Python [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Python Which ones should we follow? I wonder should we also have

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Notification Manager in Meego

2010-10-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
You can try and use dbus-monitor (running through sudo or root might unveil more info) since to my understanding most if not all of the system events are passed through this message bus. For instance, running this program on Maemo on the terminal and doing all sorts of stuff with it shows a

[MeeGo-dev] lack of QA mailing list; or what do we have in place to prevent UX regressions?

2010-10-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, I was delighted to be informed by the good Maemo bug master that that this bug [0] has been resolved with the last PR1.3 update, released today. My question to QA people and teams (it has been a while since I was involved with QA in meego so please bare with me) - What sort of

Re: [MeeGo-dev] lack of QA mailing list; or what do we have in place to prevent UX regressions?

2010-10-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Yes, thanks Andre, it just missed me from the main meego.com subscription page at the user page. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com wrote: Am Montag, den 25.10.2010, 22:43 +0200 schrieb Sivan Greenberg: What sort of infrastructure do we have in place to make

[MeeGo-dev] Geoclue and Qt Mobility on MeeGo

2010-10-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Re reading about MeeGo's architecture, is Geoclue the engine or the backend for Qt's Mobility location and positioning APIs? If not, what is the relationship ? Thanks -Sivan (Since these subjects appear to be part of the core stack, I felt comfortable to discuss this here and not on

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, I was wondering where one can read about the backup framework as mentioned in [0] ? As the developer of several backup solution both closed and open source, I'm interested in having a complete dummy poof backup system for MeeGo; that is, other that storing your contacts and personal

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: By the way, like the new URL? Thanks to Ferenc for doing the config changes from http://bugs.maemo.org/7107 - the same config change has been proposed for MeeGo in http://bugs.meego.com/1128 - Oops! Doesn't work yet :) Yeah!

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Sateesh Babu sateesh.kav...@gmail.com wrote: Right now there is no working backup solution for MeeGo. There are initial set of requirement created [2] for the backup framework (some still unclear ATM). The idea is to share and exchange more information about

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Virtual Keyboard

2010-11-02 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi, Without actually looking at the UI, but isn't this a bit awkward ? e.g. Enter is common enough to be more apparent that that? Hopefully it'll change for 1.2 ? -Sivan On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Mohammad Anwari md...@di.blankon.in wrote: 2010/11/2 praveen pandey

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Virtual Keyboard

2010-11-02 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Mohammad Anwari md...@di.blankon.in wrote: 2010/11/2 Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com: Hi, Without actually looking at the UI, but isn't this a bit awkward ? e.g. Enter is common enough to be more apparent that that? Hopefully it'll change for 1.2 ? Yes

[MeeGo-dev] 1.1 core release notes.

2010-11-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, It seems we are missing the release notes for the meego core , as they are available for the handset: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset They should be added to: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-core-software-platform . As for example, this

Re: [MeeGo-dev] 1.1 core release notes.

2010-11-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
at 10:55 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Hi List,  It seems we are missing the release notes for the meego core , as they are available for the handset:  http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset They should be added to: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Buteo SyncML: OVI.com fix

2010-11-08 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Folks, Part of the discussion in Munich OVI sprint we in the PIM team concluded that we'd like to achieve the following for better integration with either the KDE desktop/ MeeGo: 1) OVI to officially support SyncEvolution, e.g. be fully compatible with SyncEvolution through its usage of

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Buteo SyncML: OVI.com fix

2010-11-08 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Patrick Ohly patrick.o...@intel.com wrote: The question of Ovi.com-MeeGo interoperability is something completely separate from that. It is done inside Nokia and I don't know much about it. Sateesh should be able to tell you more. My interest is more from an

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Buteo SyncML: OVI.com fix

2010-11-08 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Patrick Ohly patrick.o...@intel.com wrote: On Mo, 2010-11-08 at 15:20 +, Sateesh Kavuri wrote: On Monday 08 November 2010 03:42 PM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Patrick Ohlypatrick.o...@intel.com   wrote: The question

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Buteo SyncML: OVI.com fix

2010-11-08 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Sateesh Kavuri sateesh.kav...@nokia.com wrote: Currently Ovi.com Contacts synchronization is not part of the MeeGo Sync feature list. About the Qt/MeeGo UI for Sync, there is already effort to What's needed to achieve this btw? If that's okay to discuss in

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-architecture] MeeGo Architecture BOF - request for topics

2010-11-08 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi, - dconf vs. gconf vs. flat files using QSettings - Why Buteo over SyncEvolution - boot loader changes, how and where? - Architecture features: what's the process? These are off the to of my head, I might have more if we sit for the actual discussion. -Sivan On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:55 PM,

Re: [MeeGo-dev] NQS vs MeeGo SDK [Re: MeeGo 1.1 SDK beta released]

2010-11-11 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Attila Csipa me...@csipa.in.rs wrote: IIUC The biggest problem with that is support - the version of QtCreator means little in terms of what targets you are actually using in there (the distro supported one is usually limited to the desktop Qt version the

[MeeGo-dev] QWidget::showEvent might be helpful for apps wanting to know if they should keep drawing.

2010-11-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, Me and Javier talked about this a day ago, and I went on to find if there's something in Qt already to help app developers to do the right thing when their applications are out of focus, minimized or are brought back and visible again. I did some questioning around #qt-labs and found

Re: [MeeGo-dev] QWidget::showEvent might be helpful for apps wanting to know if they should keep drawing.

2010-11-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
is, if the meego window manager (MTF?) uses those with apps it manages. Thanks, -Sivan On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Hi List,  Me and Javier talked about this a day ago, and I went on to find if there's something in Qt already to help app developers to do

Re: [MeeGo-dev] QWidget::showEvent might be helpful for apps wanting to know if they should keep drawing.

2010-11-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Bernd Stramm bernd.str...@gmail.com wrote: Does this address whether a widget is obscured by something else? In some windowing systems large numbers of windows are visible, or partially visible. In other windowing systems only a small number (like say, one)

Re: [MeeGo-dev] QWidget::showEvent might be helpful for apps wanting to know if they should keep drawing.

2010-11-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Thanks Robin for that, On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: meegotouch at least is one step ahead on this, it seems: http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/mtf/class_m_widget.html#a0190cf09ccca7fc23769082b31b54538 For people involved in MTF, what does the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] QWidget::showEvent might be helpful for apps wanting to know if they should keep drawing.

2010-11-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Arjan van de Ven ar...@linux.intel.com wrote: can we get some urgency on solving this? adding events for you're visible and you're not visible ? It's a huge deal for power / thermal savings. To really make to easier and a no brainer for at least the bulk

[MeeGo-dev] Setting up sources to be able upgrade from daily snapshots.

2010-11-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, I'd like to set up my netbook to upgrade from whatever is used to create the daily netbook snapshots. For testing. What is the way to go about this? I'm thinking along the lines of setting it to use unstable distribution in Debian terms, so I can then zypper refresh and upgrade. I

[MeeGo-dev] Learning from Mistakes and Beyond, slides available in PDF.

2010-12-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, For those of you who have been asking for the slides, thanks to timeless they are online in .PDF here[0]. For those who found it lacking a general point, you're not wrong. There is no general point made here, other than learn and try to not repeat and these solutions might help along

Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec

2010-12-07 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I'm at UTC+2 currently, so late evening would be best unless it is friday. -Sivan On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, mikko.k.yli...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, -Original Message- From: Wichmann, Mats D Sent: 03 December, 2010 18:50 since there still seem to be a number of open questions, I'd

[MeeGo-dev] SyncEvolution in bug jar but not part of meego ?

2010-12-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, In Dublin I was told that SyncEvo was replaced by Buteo since it was not extensible enough. Is it this still part of MeeGo? I keep seeing it in the bug jar reports, hence why I'm asking. Thanks -Sivan ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fwd: Qtest Mobile App Port Contest for Qt and KDE applications

2010-12-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Well, still it might be a good opportunity to do test driven development with qt's testing framework. -Sivan On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen ad...@leinir.dk wrote: On Monday 27 Dec 2010 13:42:43 Thiago Macieira wrote: On Monday, 27 de December de 2010 14:37:00 Sivan

[MeeGo-dev] Forum Nokia UX Library

2010-12-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, The FN's UX design library is public and available at[0]. Recommended reading for people designing UXs looking for guidelines and direction. Cheers, -Sivan [0]:

Re: [MeeGo-dev] What are the advantages of developing QT apps without libmeegotouch over MTF enabled application?

2010-12-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
A related question for me as I'm going to implement a couple of UXs soon, what sort of already ready made regular application components are available from Qt Quick Components right now? Button, Windows, Dialogs? Can I use everything I would have used using Qt Designer default mainwindow app

Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec

2011-01-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
[mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of ext Sivan Greenberg Sent: 7. joulukuuta 2010 18:16 To: Ylinen Mikko.K (Nokia-MS/Tampere) Cc: meego-dev@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec I'm at UTC+2 currently, so late evening would be best unless it is friday. -Sivan

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?

2011-01-11 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Dave! I really liked the use of the median to conclude Prof. Knuth has not done much of maintainer-ship over Tex the last couple of years, but your account felt a bit too philosophical to me. But then again it is late for me, and this is probably my own subjective experience :-) On Mon, Jan

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?

2011-01-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: re. Core should not be exempt: if we look at Debian, you can't become a maintainer of a package unless the maintainer(s) invite you to be, or the package is abandoned. I don't think any core packages will be abandoned any

[MeeGo-dev] How extreme should we follow upstream? (was: Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?)

2011-01-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: You will need to presumably open some smaller-granularity bugs (Increase corner and edge target sizes on windows for touch events, for example), against the appropriate module. Now, I don't know exactly what is involved, but

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Working upstream (was: Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?)

2011-01-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: It seems your pointer [0] is uninitialised... [0]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/8975 It is indeed quite small change, but not just a configuration and theme change but proper glade file and C code

Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec

2011-01-14 Thread Sivan Greenberg
, we pick up the most important or critical ones through consensus or voting and set to define them in the spec. As noted before, my interested is with embodying quality principles into it. Thanks in advance, -Sivan On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Hi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Dconf

2011-01-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I also recall a couple of emails about it from the beginning of the project. What has Ubuntu made already that could be served to a transitioning or testing phase ? -Sivan On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Arjan van de Ven ar...@linux.intel.com wrote: On 1/19/2011 6:11 AM, Ville M. Vainio

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Perf tweak: using asynchronous I/O with sqlite (e.g. for tracker...)

2011-01-19 Thread Sivan Greenberg
In my experience, and from extensively working with couchdb[0] , to way to improve performance of software that relies on sqlite is to make the writes as short as possible and more granular. Since reads IIRC by default return immediately if there's no writing thread blocking, this has quite nice

[MeeGo-dev] Cross development talk URL , Notification API Beta for MeeGo and Symbian

2011-01-19 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, I just wanted to update, that thanks to the wonderful Alexandra Leisse, MeeGo CO task page here[0] got a bit better with a link to Michael Samarin's talk about cross development. Michael talks about some basic guidelines to get started, and presents some interesting study cases that go

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Dconf

2011-01-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote: What about moving Qt Mob PS into QtCore? QSettings is using it btw? Or has plumbing to allow usage thereof? (I now recalled I talked to you about this a long while back) -Sivan

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Announcing MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900

2011-03-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Let us hope that this will be the natural successor to Harmattan on the N9(50?) and we could use the fruits of this development on that what I'm reading is a 1GHz OMAP6 device? -Sivan On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Arjan van de Ven ar...@linux.intel.com wrote: On 3/3/2011 5:36 AM,

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Some architecture changes (MSSF / Buteo / PIM storage)

2011-03-15 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Patrick Ohly patrick.o...@intel.com wrote: I've said before and I say it again here, I consider performance comparisons pointless at this time. Considering that e-d-s has a much more

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo Conferece: non-commercial proposals are also welcome!

2011-03-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I wonder what we can do to avoid this kind of mis conceptions in the future - I guess this also worth discussion at the conf :-) Thanks for the note! -Sivan On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Quim Gil quim@nokia.com wrote: CROSSPOSTING ON PURPOSE - please reply only to meego-events. Loud

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote: Guys, I think this discussion and (passive?) agressiveness has gone on for too long. I would propose that if you have a problem with decisions made, present a dispute to the TSG stating your exact objections, potential

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: I'd also like to add that regardless of  way the new architectural decisions were made, he's communication of the decision was excellent I

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote: 2011/3/23  zoltan@nokia.com: Since lot of time was anyway lost on the subject, and it's an important subject, perhaps it would make sense to consecrate a wiki page to it, including the main use cases to be solved, the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
This is actually quite good in my view, we have a proven working in the wild implementation in official , while all other components are still there to experiment with or showcase when they become mature enough. -Sivan On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2011-03-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
As me and timeless discussed in our talk, if you state a project is open , follow the statement. If the core base as not intended to be an end user platform, and is defined as an LFS project, why does it contain CSI stuff in a linux foundation bugzilla ? I propose each client customer vendor

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2011-03-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Can we please add mandatory fields to such bug reports: - Why is it inaccessible. - ETA for opening bug report. Such that filing those bugs will be impossible without ? -Sivan On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM, eric.le-r...@nokia.com wrote: Hi Marius, On 3/31/11 10:07 AM, Marius Vollmer

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-architecture] Another architecture direction mail

2011-04-02 Thread Sivan Greenberg
As Andrew says, it is a pleasure to finally read this sort of communication. Thank you Arjan. On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 17:07, Arjan van de Ven ar...@linux.intel.com wrote: Thanks for circulating this - communication of such

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo Application Developer Engagement

2011-05-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Has anything progressed on this? -Sivan On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: *** [cross-posting since this is a big topic, please direct feedback to meego-community list to keep traffic in one place] *** I've a bit of a plan I'd like to outline, and

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo Application Developer Engagement

2011-05-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: Has anything progressed on this? -Sivan On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Robin Burchell virot...@viroteck.net wrote: *** [cross-posting since this is a big topic, please direct feedback to meego-community list to keep traffic in one place

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PDF reader for tablets running MeeGo

2011-05-13 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Is this based on the QML book reading example that circulated here some 4 months ago? -Sivan 2011/5/13 Bogdan Cristea crist...@gmail.com: On Friday, May 13, 2011 12:25:57 PM you wrote: Here you can find ShowMee, our fullscreen PDF reader for MeeGo, which has a touch interface and is targeted

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