Re: Mersenne: Re: number of processors participating

2001-10-30 Thread Ken Kriesel
As I recall, 200 was the default quantum on a vax 780 20 years ago. Even 10 years ago, interactive response could be sped up a lot by cranking quantum down to single digits. At 11:28 PM 10/30/2001 +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:00:07PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thrashing (was Re: SV: Mersenne: number of processors participating)

2001-10-30 Thread Ken Kriesel
What will really slow a workstation or server down is running short of RAM. These days the working sets are getting appreciable as the exponents increase. NT scheduling will wake up the service version of ntprime every second I think and give it at least one quantum. If some more essential

Re: Mersenne: Lucas Wiman Mersenne Prime FAQ

2001-10-26 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 10:01 PM 10/25/2001 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Oct 2001, at 10:31, Ken Kriesel wrote: M33219278 is the smallest Mersenne Number with at least 10^7 digits, but M33219281 is the smallest Mersenne Prime with at least 10^7 digits. Um, I seem to remember testing that number

Re: Mersenne: Lucas Wiman Mersenne Prime FAQ

2001-10-25 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 01:01 AM 10/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: Forgive my ignorance but; In reading the Lucas Wiman Mersenne Prime FAQ I became confused at the Q5.3 instruction. (see FAQ insert below). I want to know how many decimal digits are in a given MP. This part of the FAQ does not make sense to me.

Re: Mersenne: Re: 26 exponents

2001-05-16 Thread Ken Kriesel
I believe that is set at the server. Ken At 08:25 AM 5/16/2001 +0100, Daran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the client 'know' the threshold performance level for double-checks and factorisations? If so, is it hard-coded, or does it get this information from the server? If hard-coded, then you

Re: QA (was re: Mersenne: Purpose of the self-test; also, aren't P4s fast!)

2001-05-16 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 10:56 AM 5/16/2001 -, Brian Beesley wrote: On 16 May 2001, at 0:24, Ken Kriesel wrote: For the time being I would like to continue focussing our QA efforts on the general case, rather than P4's specific limits, since Agreed. I was talking about the short test suite, where the runs

Mersenne: Spacing between mersenne primes

2001-05-16 Thread Ken Kriesel
to be uniform. It should vary about the expected curve. Ken Kriesel _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http://www.tasam.com/~lrwiman/FAQ-mers

Re: Mersenne: GIMPS accelerator?

2001-05-15 Thread Ken Kriesel
Among others, I raised the question with George Woltman some time ago. I trust his judgment that his time is better spent elsewhere. However, I wonder if there might be some possibilities in trial factoring there. That would present the possibility of a factoring screensaver, and an FPU LLtest,

Re: Mersenne: [slightly OT] Web discussion about distributed computing

2001-04-24 Thread Ken Kriesel
Brian is likely to break his own record in about 5 months, with an LLtest of 2^40250087 -1 proceeding rapidly, with Stephan Grupp's simultaneous test of the same number trailing by 11 days at the moment, both as part of the continuing mersenne QA effort. This candidate was P-1 tested by Brian,

Re: Mersenne: More than 10000 athlons!.

2001-03-26 Thread Ken Kriesel
Well, you can add at least 20 P3 cpus to the total, that I run on without the involvement of primenet. Also about 20 Celerons. Prime95 makes a great hardware reliability tester, and has ferreted out numerous mildly flaky RAM modules and a couple bad motherboards. Ken At 01:16 PM 3/26/2001

Re: Mersenne: Processor short family histories

2001-02-18 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 09:44 AM 2/13/2001 -0500, Jud McCranie wrote: At 12:54 AM 2/13/2001 -0600, Ken Kriesel wrote: Intel offered the 286 with 6, 8, 10, and 12.5 Mhz on one data sheet. AMD got to 16 on this one, but an early data sheet lists 4, 6, and 8 (and says reprinted by permission of Intel). FPU

Mersenne: Processor short family histories

2001-02-12 Thread Ken Kriesel
The 8088 debuted at 5 ( 8) Mhz; IBM derated it a bit for the PC because 4.77Mhz*3 = 14.318 = 4 * 3.57Mhz (TV color burst frequency). An IBM (pre-XT) motherboard could be pushed to about 7.5 Mhz by splitting the clock signal paths. FPU was separate. Ten Mhz chips were offered. This chip had

Re: Mersenne: Re: screen savers

2001-02-10 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 05:56 PM 2/9/2001 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my 2 cents' worth with respect to the screen saver proposals: how about the following? 2) For the folks who like something that looks more scientific, we could have a vertical box that looks like a control panel. Every iteration, the bottom

Re: Mersenne: idea for a new prime95 version, QA, primenet etc

2001-02-03 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 09:23 AM 2/3/2001 -, "Brian J. Beesley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George has announced the development of new FFT code optimised for Pentium 4. The FFT code is the true heart of the program: it's really hard for me to put into words just how much we all owe to George for his unstinting

Re: Mersenne: Soft modem

2000-10-04 Thread Ken Kriesel
Personally, I always go with an external modem. It's much less hassle if you need to cycle the power on the modem, or it's taken out by a lightning hit or other surge in the phone line, or from some other failure. It's way easier to swap modems when diagnosing "is it the modem that's broken, or

Re: Mersenne: Why do I get only double-checks

2000-09-14 Thread Ken Kriesel
Setting CPU type in prime95 V20.4.1 and then examining local.ini, CPUType=3 is a Cyrix 6x86 CPUType=4 is a 486 CPUType=5 is a Pentium CPUType=6 is a Pentium Pro CPUType=7 is an AMD K6 CPUType=8 is a Celeron CPUType=9 is a PentiumII CPUType=10 is a PentiumIII CPUType=11 is an AMD Athlon So

Re: Mersenne: Re: Prime95 shutdown mystery.

2000-07-27 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 03:48 PM 7/27/2000 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: There is a tracert.exe included with Win95 and Win98, at least. And in Windows NT 3.x, 4.0, ... Ken _ Unsubscribe list info --

Re: Mersenne: Error

2000-05-25 Thread Ken Kriesel
I saw something similar once, out of hundreds of ECM curves that I've run. It happened on the curve being run while I adjusted memory limits on the program (Version 20.4.1, April 25 file date), if I recall correctly. Ken At 03:42 PM 5/25/2000 EDT, you wrote: I just got this in an ECM run on

Re: Mersenne: Just curious

2000-04-19 Thread Ken Kriesel
Monitors, on the other hand, seem to like to be shut off regularly. At work, we bought 9 Nanao F750's 60's in 1993. Only two survive, and one sits on my desk and is turned on and off daily. Those that were left on 24/7 did not survive the last cycle of cpu upgrades. Ken At 01:42 AM 4/19/2000

Re: Mersenne: Just curious

2000-04-18 Thread Ken Kriesel
When pentium pro 200's were the hot new processor (in speed, more so than in wattage), I began running some dual-ppro-200 systems with two prime95 instances each. Those processors are still running it. I've never had to replace a cpu or motherboard (though occasionally a motherboard power

Re: Mersenne: $1 Million For Proof Of Goldbach's Conjecture?

2000-03-21 Thread Ken Kriesel
On 20 Mar 00, at 19:01, Stefan Struiker wrote: LONDON , March 17 — Two publishers are offering a million dollars to anyone who can prove that all even numbers are the sum of two prime numbers. No one has cracked the problem in the

Re: Mersenne: Re: Possible V20 issue

2000-03-20 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 08:14 PM 3/20/2000 EST, you ("Nathan Russell" [EMAIL PROTECTED])wrote: Another potential issue that just occured to me: If someone has an exponent partially done under version 19.x or 18.x and upgrades and it finds a factor, will they get more credit for the factor than they lost for the

Re: Mersenne: M 10133741

2000-03-18 Thread Ken Kriesel
M 10133741 is not an assigned QA exponent (at least by me.) Scott tells me that the IPS will accept results whether assigned by IPS or not. However, the IPS is not involved in issuing QA work; I do that manually, independently of IPS. A computer search for the exponent on qa assignments, qa

Mersenne: Re: Large-Exponent QA

2000-03-06 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 06:07 PM 3/6/2000 EST, you [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Kriesel writes: Participants in this phase of the QA should be willing to coordinate by email with a partner, running LLtests and double-checks of the same exponent in parallel, and cc George Woltman and myself, interim residues

Mersenne: QA testing

2000-03-04 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 05:42 PM 3/3/2000 +0800, "Dave Mullen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For interest, has anyone calculated benchmarks, or run LL tests in those ranges; I guess not many, 8 months is a long time to wait for a result !! A select group of volunteers have been running factoring and LLtests as part of

RE: Mersenne: p-1 and trial factoring

2000-02-27 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 02:55 AM 2/27/2000 -0800, Paul Leyland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BJB wrote: Yes - I think we need this database - with or without savefiles, it's a waste of effort to inadvertently duplicate work done before. Since P-1 is deterministic (like trial factoring, but unlike Pollard's rho or

Mersenne: Re:

2000-02-16 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 10:24 PM 2/16/2000 +0900, "Kotera Hiroshi"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Is a decimal 23-digit numbers 111 prime ? Could you tell me the answer with proof? 24-digit numbers = 101*1100110011001100110011 regards For the smaller numbers get ubasic

RE: Mersenne: pi

2000-02-09 Thread Ken Kriesel
6274836288508219852 3+1/(7+1/(15+1/(1+1/(292+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(2+1/(1+1/(3+1/(1+1/14)))= 80143857/25510582=3.14159265358979 26593756269457122 Ken Ken Kriesel, PE [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.scruz.net

Re: Mersenne: Why 2K?

2000-01-16 Thread Ken Kriesel
Punched cards didn't have to be readable Hollerith; the maximum storage per card was 80 12-bit columns, or 960 bits when binary punched. The average card is about .006" or so thick by 3 by 8". (About 6700 bits per cubic inch of card; compare that to a CD in its case at 440,000,000 bits/cubic

Re: Mersenne: Re: splitting up 10m digit primes

1999-10-19 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 07:49 AM 1999/10/19 +0100, Nick Craig-Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 12:28:52AM -0500, Ken Kriesel wrote: How would you extend this concept to P-1, ECM, and factoring save files? As far as I'm aware prime95 is the only program to do P-1, ECM or factoring so I wasn't

Re: Mersenne: # of digits in 2^p-1

1999-10-14 Thread Ken Kriesel
Look it up in the FAQ listed at the bottom of every mailing list message, is best in my opinion. Ken At 09:15 PM 1999/10/14 -0400, Darxus wrote: What's the best way of finding the number of decimal digits for the number 2^p-1 ?

Re: Mersenne: Mprime in dual cpu setup?

1999-10-14 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 06:14 PM 1999/10/14 -0400, "St. Dee" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I run a single instance of mprime, I get LL iteration times on exponents near 8,200,000 of about .220. If I run two instances of mprime, each gets iteration times of around .245. I expected some hit, but I have no idea if that

Re: Mersenne: splitting up 10m digit primes

1999-10-12 Thread Ken Kriesel
As I posted some days back; Anyone who wants to quit an exponent after investing a PII-400-month or more, please contact me, and we'll try to carry it on, using it for the QA effort. It could take some major bandwidth-minutes if more than a few exponents are quit, however. Ken At 04:15 PM

Mersenne: Vaxen Intel

1999-10-12 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 12:03 PM 1999/10/12 -0400, Jud McCranie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:54 PM 10/12/99 +1000, Simon Burge wrote: "John R Pierce" wrote: a year on one of these [a vax] wouldn't equal one day on a pentium-II. Probably a bit generous there even, given that older vaxen wouldn't have pipelined

Mersenne: QA testers call

1999-09-23 Thread Ken Kriesel
I am looking for about 20-50 additional ambitious very patient QA testers with extremely fast hardware, and some significant free storage space, to participate in runs on selected exponents in the larger fft runlengths. The selected exponents will frequently be fully trial factored, or nearly

RE: Mersenne: QA testers call

1999-09-23 Thread Ken Kriesel
, I'll be sending you some candidate exponents to continue factoring to the full depth. Ken Ken Kriesel, PE [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm Mersenne Prime FAQ -- http

Re: Mersenne: FDIV Pentium error

1999-09-22 Thread Ken Kriesel
fering bit patterns, and there's a sizable performance hit. I ask this because now i'm also using it on my laptop (great work george!) and when i installed linux some time ago it said the processor had this bug. Floris Looyesteyn Ken Ken Kriesel, PE [EMAIL

Re: Mersenne: Prime95 version 19 - better late than never

1999-09-10 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 07:57 PM 1999/09/09 -0400, George Woltman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, ... I'd like to thank the excellent work of the QA team. They located many bugs, bringing you a higher quality beta. The QA team included Ken Kriesel, Brian Beesley, Tom Cage, Jean-Yves Canart, Bryan Fullerton, Marc

Re: Frequency of residue error (was Mersenne: Down With The Evil Thread)

1999-07-28 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 12:29 AM 1999/07/27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, again. As before, I'm replying to a bunch of different people. And I have trouble thinking up decent subject lines as well. :-] ... Well, the likelyhood that a failure occurs may be 1%, but the likelyhood that a double check will not

RE: Mersenne: The sound of number searching

1999-07-23 Thread Ken Kriesel
Magnetostriction is about a bulk material changing dimensionally with varying magnetic field; this is probably not occurring or not the prime mechanism. More likely, it's simply that the magnetic fields generate forces acting on the currents in the coils, and the coils and neighboring structures

Re: Mersenne: Squaring algorithm...

1999-07-22 Thread Ken Kriesel
Assuming you're talking about doing it on a conventional computer (1 or few processors, fixed word length, etc.), the method you propose is at least O(2^p * p ) per squaring. This is dominated by the first exponential term, which must be avoided at all costs. Huge constant factors can be

Re: Mersenne: ROUND OFF error

1999-07-20 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 08:13 PM 1999/07/20 -0700, you ("Daniel Swanson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>)wrote: I got the following set of messages today: [Tue Jul 20 16:15:19 1999] Iteration: 6128000/7812379, ERROR: ROUND OFF (0.4026489258) > 0.40 Possible hardware failure, consult the readme file. Continuing from last

Mersenne: Mersenne prime exponent binary representations and 1's frequency (incl M38)

1999-07-11 Thread Ken Kriesel
The latest mersenne exponent is added below. positionp in p# ofbitp in hex p mod 4 in list base 10 in base 2 1's places 1 2 10 1 2 2 2 2 3 11 2 2 3

Mersenne: Re: digits vs exponents FAQ

1999-06-30 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 09:09 AM 1999/06/29 -0400, Jud McCranie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:16 AM 6/29/99 -0400, Lucas Wiman wrote: All, Here is version 1.1 of the FAQ. Here's a question that needs to be addressed: how to go from digits to exponents, and exponent to digits. By all means include it in the faq;

Mersenne: M38 guess

1999-06-29 Thread Ken Kriesel
Make my guess for M38, p~=6,740,000 Ken Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm

Re: Mersenne: status of exponents

1999-06-15 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 09:01 PM 1999/06/10 -0400, you wrote: The status page shows that for exponents in the range 3,310,000-3,960,000, there are 225 exponents for which 2 L-L tests have been done, yet there are 40 exponents for which no factor is known, and no LL test has been done. I have 2 questions: 1. Why

Re: Mersenne: New Mersenne Prime found!! Not yet verified

1999-06-05 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 06:49 PM 1999/06/03 -0700, Paul Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:47 PM 6/2/99 Ken Kriesel wrote: The EFF requires that they approve the specific publication and referee process ...otherwise the newly discovered Mersenne Prime isn't "officially" a Mersenne Prime? F

Re: Mersenne: Screen saver killers?

1999-05-16 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 09:10 PM 1999/05/14 +0200, "Steinar H. Gunderson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, second message in a row, I just thought it would be nice to separate them. Has anybody got experience in turning off/disabling screensavers under Win95? We run Prime95 at 40 machines (most of them 486'es, though)

Mersenne: Whoa on the preventive measures thread

1999-04-12 Thread Ken Kriesel
to participate, but not be publicly listed in the summary for whatever reason, say so in your email to me. Ken Kriesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe list info -- http://www.scruz.net/~luke/signup.htm

RE: Mersenne: preventive measures

1999-04-11 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 08:41 AM 1999/04/10 -0600, "Aaron Blosser" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George...is it too late to request features for the new version? I had done some thinking on it, and wouldn't it be great if there were some sort of "live update" feature, where it could upgrade itself when new versions come

RE: Mersenne: preventive measures

1999-04-11 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 12:45 PM 1999/04/11 -0600, Aaron Blosser wrote: ... IE4 and IE5 have that (probably Netscape too?), and I think the web site that checks and sends emails is www.mindit.com. mindit.com is not the one I was thinking of; there's one based in a US university (Dartmouth?). This combined with

Re: Mersenne: Double-checking (was Chronons)

1999-03-07 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 11:59 AM 1999/03/05 GMT, "Brian J Beesley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Ken wrote) Right. The odds heavily favor both mismatched residues being nonzero. A zero residue at the last iteration is what indicates primality. Depends on what you mean. If a Mersenne number that has been tested once

Re: Mersenne: Mersenne exponential range

1998-10-22 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 06:19 PM 1998/10/21 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: 10/22/1998 I was looking at the available ranges to test Mersenne primes and I noticed the range included exponents which by definition cannot yield primes. I looked at some Mersenne htmls and didn't see any mention of even

Re: Mersenne: When triple checking fails

1998-10-15 Thread Ken Kriesel
At 12:04 PM 1998/10/14 GMT, "Brian J Beesley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |I thought the primary purpose of the security code was to ensure that |the transmission between client PrimeNet server was secure from |accidental error. | |Perhaps we should think of replacing the existing system by

Re: Mersenne: factor found but factorization continues? why?

1998-09-18 Thread Ken Kriesel
For the factor to be about 630, the exponent could be at most about 315, since the factors of mersenne numbers are of the form q=2kp+1. (if q=630, for k=1, p=~315, and for larger k, p is smaller) But nearly all numbers below 331 have already been not only tested for factors

RE: Mersenne: Yikes!

1998-09-17 Thread Ken Kriesel
I can confirm from my own experiences that the working set and thrashing that may result is an issue both for WindowsNT and for Windows95. NT Services get woken up for about a 1% cpu duty cycle even when set to lowest priority, on a system that is thoroughly saturated with other things to do.