Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Alan Rubin
I'll be happy to give my opinion on the paper. I think it is completely wrong. Here is my reasoning: 1. Many chondrules are surrounded by secondary igneous shells, still others by igneous rims. These shells and rims indicate that the chondrules haev experienced more than one melting event.

[meteorite-list] stolen meteorites

2013-03-13 Thread Stephan Kambach
A) between Bruno, and only Bruno and UPS exist a contract that moment, as he had overhanded the crate for transport. From there on,there is no third party beside the custom and UPS, who do have the title for an access to the crate. B) If someone consider to be an honesty man and might think the

[meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major MeteoriteCollectionstollen !!!!

2013-03-13 Thread Stephan Kambach
A) between Bruno, and only Bruno and UPS exist a contract that moment, as he had overhanded the crate for transport. From there on,there is no third party beside the custom and UPS , who do have the title for an access to the crate. B) If someone consider to be an honesty man and might think

Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major MeteoriteCollectionstollen !!!!

2013-03-13 Thread Michael Farmer
it is a terrible deal, seems like a very serious crime regardless of the circumstances. UPS can get into serious trouble and be sued for releasing the crate to third party if they were not on the invoice as a shipper or consignee. One can not just go in and ask to get a crate out unless you are

[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2013-03-13 Thread valparint
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Millbillillie Contributed by: Guy Heinen http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collection stollen !!!!

2013-03-13 Thread The Earth's Memory
Carl, What honest man takes a crate from UPS and replaces the merchandise with asphalt ? That is theft. if some of THESE specimens are sold on public sites that link to the thieves accomplices, what is it ? AND stealing a storage box (storage for witch we have invoices), asking people

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

2013-03-13 Thread Mark Ford
Yep, and I can't understand this fad for claims that go along the lines of 'we have found the building blocks of life' , even yesterday the BBC announced that NASA had found 'building blocks of life' on Mars in the latest Rover sample, it turned out the BBC meant Hydrogen and Oxygen! - What

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
I second what Alan wrote, at the 90% level. With my remaining finger, I'll add that the worst problem may be that these molten planetesimals must magically keep metallic and silicate melts mixed together in order to make chondrules, many of which have abundant metal. I think this would be

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

2013-03-13 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Alan, If I do remember correctly, stones falling from space was blasphemous ...no, don't believe in movies. Don't forget, that throughout the whole Middle Age's until into the 1500s in Europe the collector, keeper, translator, sponsor, communicator and instructor was the clergy. (and also

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

2013-03-13 Thread Count Deiro
Hi List, Mark has said ...I can't understand this fad for claims... that... we have found the building blocks of life There is no fad to reveal, however so unscientifically and hysterically by some in academia and the media, that we have discovered copious amounts of water on planets and

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Jim Wooddell
Hello Alan, Jeff, Mendy, I find this response somewhat bothersome. I recently read a paper that little old me, not being anyone close to being a scientist, can shoot dozens of holes through because of the use of outdated obsolete information and now I read this from Alan and Jeff, who I look up

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Peter Scherff
Hi Jim, I find this all delightful. Science is messy. Theories compete for acceptance. The one that best fits the facts and is able to predict future discoveries wins! If I wanted absolute truths I would read books that the religions of the world are based on. Thanks, Peter

[meteorite-list] SA daytime meteor 12mar2013 -radar anyone

2013-03-13 Thread drtanuki
List, Anyone have access to SA radar? Met/mets on the ground, maybe? Contrary to SA News reports- The object was NOT the size of a marble. This object was in the order of 10s-100s kg, maybe up to half the size of a VW bug or a full bug, to be seen in daytime and produce sonics. Hopefully they

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Mendy Ouzillou
Peter, No one disputes science is messy, but Jim's point is valid. Drs. Rubin and Grossman have forgotten more than I will likely know in regards to meteoritics, but I also feel a bit frustrated. I expect papers in a journal like Meteoritics and Planetary Science to be thoroughly reviewed

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Black beauty NWA7034

2013-03-13 Thread Michael Farmer
Congratulations Aid, very nice piece. Michael Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Aid Mohamed aidmoha...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hello List I have an nice stone of NWA 7034, weigh 30.4g Enjoy the picture via this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34968236@N08/ Who's interested

[meteorite-list] Hawaii meteor event update

2013-03-13 Thread drtanuki
List, Map and reports updated. Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/03/hawaii-fireball-meteor-11mar2013.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Jim Wooddell
I meant peer as opposed to pier. Jim On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: Peter, No one disputes science is messy, but Jim's point is valid. Drs. Rubin and Grossman have forgotten more than I will likely know in regards to meteoritics, but I also feel

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Jeff Grossman
The fact of the matter is that it is not hard to poke holes in all theories of chondrule origins. It's good that ideas get aired in the scientific literature. This model is valuable, even if it does not do a good job at explaining all the properties of chondrules. In fact, it is very

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Hi Mendy, Peter, and List, Science is fluid affair and nobody agrees 100% on anything. The origin of chondrules, whatever that process that might actually be, is theorized based on the evidence we see today. That evidence is partial and we are only seeing a tiny part of the creation process.

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

2013-03-13 Thread Mark Ford
Sure and I don't deny finding water or evidence of it is very exciting, but what I question, is 'the building blocks of life claim'. This is pure hype. Sure water and amino acids are essential for life, but I would question exactly how certain life is to evolve when water alone is present. The

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

2013-03-13 Thread Michael Mulgrew
Considering our current understanding of what it takes for life to develop, i.e. water is 100% absolutely necessary, I would say the recent evidence of Mars' wet past increases the chances of extraterrestrial life discovery by much, much more than a tiny tiny amount. Michael in so. Cal. On Wed,

[meteorite-list] 2013 Interplanetary Small Satellite Conference: Beyond LEO

2013-03-13 Thread Ron Baalke
http://www.intersmallsatconference.org/ Welcome to the 2013 Interplanetary Small Satellite Conference 20-21 June 2013 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, California The 1st Interplanetary Small Satellite Conference will be held at the California Institute of Technology on 20-21 June,

[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Opportunity Update: Feb 27 - Mar 5, 2013

2013-03-13 Thread Ron Baalke
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Examining Rock Surfaces After Reset - sols 3234-3240, Feb. 27, 2013-Mar. 05, 2013: Opportunity is exploring different locations around the inboard edge of 'Cape York' on the rim of Endeavour Crater.

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments

2013-03-13 Thread Martin Altmann
Conte! Brother in Faith, shred much of civilization's core religious theologies.. billions of our fellow homonids the fear that their belief systems are losing the battle to scientific discovery I don't know, why so many should believe, that the existence of extraterrestrial life would

[meteorite-list] Mystery solved with the Ontario event of 09 March

2013-03-13 Thread Marc Fries
Greetings, ladies and gents Thanks to Rob Matson and Jake Schaefer, we've located three additional video captures of the 09 March fireball over western Ontario. Thanks also to Dr. Peter Brown at the U. of Western Ontario, whose superb team also analyzed the event and shared their

Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of chondrules

2013-03-13 Thread Alan Rubin
Let me re-emphasize this point. None of us know anything for sure. We may look at the same data and view it differently, place more importance on some constraints than others, and place higher value on our own research than that of our colleagues. If the work is good, it will tend to be

Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery solved with the Ontario event of 09 March

2013-03-13 Thread Marc Fries
I've received some interest in this event, so we'll go ahead and calculate a strewn field for it. It will be up on the GA web page soon. Cheers, Marc Fries On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Marc Fries wrote: Greetings, ladies and gents Thanks to Rob Matson and Jake Schaefer, we've

[meteorite-list] Need help in locating a recent meteorite article The Rosewood Box

2013-03-13 Thread Mike Bandli
Dear List Members, I am trying to locate a nice article I came across about a year ago, but cannot seem to remember which publication it was in. It was titled something like The Rosewood Box and was about a box of antique and historic meteorite thin sections that are preserved (at Harvard or

Re: [meteorite-list] Need help in locating a recent meteorite article The Rosewood Box

2013-03-13 Thread Bernd V. Pauli
Hello Mike and List, Virginia Tech, Metamorphism, and the Rosewood Box MAPS, Volume 47, Issue 5, pages 903–915, May 2012 Cheers, Bernd To: fuzzf...@comcast.net meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at

[meteorite-list] Tokyo magnetic dust after rain 14MAR2013

2013-03-13 Thread drtanuki
Dear List, We had rain 13/14 MAR 2013. On the early morning of 14th I went outside and noticed an unusually large amount of black/brown magnetic dust in the rain pools on concrete and have collected it. I don{t know if it is volcanic related, industrial or run-of the-mill soil; but strange

[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - March 13, 2013

2013-03-13 Thread Ron Baalke
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES March 13, 2013 o Recent Gully Activity on Mars http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020661_1440 Changes in gullies were first seen in images from the Mars Orbiter Camera in 2006, and studying such activity has been a high priority for HiRISE.

[meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

2013-03-13 Thread Richard Montgomery
Michael M and List, First, apologies to be so Sci-Fi...not the intention. If I had a better rocker I'd probably be knocked off of it for remotely, even slightltly suggesting this, especially to this credentialed List; best a slap upside-the-head to get me back to reality... Meanwhile, here

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Black beauty NWA7034

2013-03-13 Thread Richard Montgomery
Wonderful!!~ - Original Message - From: Aid Mohamed aidmoha...@rocketmail.com To: list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Black beauty NWA7034 Hello List I have an nice stone of NWA 7034, weigh 30.4g Enjoy the

Re: [meteorite-list] Tokyo magnetic dust after rain 14MAR2013

2013-03-13 Thread Count Deiro
Hi Dirk, Of course, have it classified. Think of the name possibilities! Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: Mar 13, 2013 1:44 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Rockhounds rockhou...@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [meteorite-list]

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

2013-03-13 Thread Garry Stewart
Life as we know it is based upon the elements of carbon and oxygen. Now a team of physicists, including one from North Carolina State University, is looking at the conditions necessary to the formation of those two elements in the universe. They've found that when it comes to supporting life,

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

2013-03-13 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Guys, List, What life needs is a source of energy that can be stored and utilized when needed. Without these energy exchanges there is no life. That's why you have to eat breakfast. This energetic system requires elements that are cosmically abundant, on planets large and cool enough to retain

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

2013-03-13 Thread Michael Mulgrew
List, In no way was I trying to imply that we know everything and there can only be one basis of life, but rather we only know of one living planet and that planet's life requires water. Of course there could be any number of alien life forms, probably many, many types we haven't even began to

Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff

2013-03-13 Thread Count Deiro
Jeez! Sterling, I would hope that those who have read the suggested assignment in your post would read something a bit more current than my hero Issac's half a century old treastise. They might as well read Genesis. Best personal regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message-