Stan, why bring me into this? I never told you Habibi
or Aaronson were screwing you? When might I have
told you this? What I do know, is that when you take
something in October, and refuse to pay until May, and
refuse to answer phone calls, or emails, then you are
not paying for the item
Hello all. Here is my last bunch of auctions for a little while - getting
ready for tucson as i type this, desperatly trying to finish up some last
minute work this week i have an absolutly killer piece of seymchan thats
about 80% pallasitic with a nice big 'blob' blob of metal showing the
Hello all...
A few more auctions closing this week. End times start Jan 17 (wednesday) at
19:02 PST
included in this weeks auctions is the biggest piece of my new LL3.10 that
I'll have to offer with several AWSOME massive chondrules, including one
well over 1cm across! Plus about 20 other
Hello all,
Here is my first batch of auctions for the year.. keep watch int he comming
weeks as i'll have some new goodies to offer (both new to me and new
period). This week includes some of my old standbys - as well as some of the
last of my awsome new LL3.10, some mars rock and for the
why if a person have buy now have the piece for the
actual price have for low, after if confirmed Aubrite
the price go up and not buy for the same price of now
You missed the point of my question.
WHY would the price of this stone go up when it is classified?
The results of the
Tom wrote:
Isn't this the first fossil meteorite open to the collector market?
Since the new category of relict (or fossil) meteorites was adopted by
the Nomenclature Committee only this past October, I would imagine there
are likely other relict meteorites in our collections which have not
I would not agree with your statement that there is ...another 1000kgs...
of this material.
That would all depend on the exact deffintion of the word 'avalible' i
suppose. that 1000 kgs talked about is in my collection - so it exists and
makes up the bulk of the TKW - but it's not
First, I heard that Stan originally got about 70 kilos of the brown
material before it was known to be paired and thought to be an EL6/7. So,
congratulations to Stan for his mountain of Rare enstatite. Second, even
if the TKW for pairings is around 1000kg, EL3 Enstatites are still
Very Rare
Hello Dirk, Stan and List,
As an after thought, what might we suppose is the ratio of fresh blue
material to more weathered brown? Perhaps that should be a consideration
when we talk about TKW in regards to NWA 2828 is primarily 'fresher blue'
than NWA 2965's brown look... Of course
Some of the brown (presumably
collected on the surface) SEEMS to have remnants of crust, over lipping
etc.
99% of the black stuff ont he outside of the brown material is simply the
oxidized metal veining that is seen int he matrix of this material. the
material weathered preferentially
the auction has close and when the first complete
analysis its ready I put again for sale, unfortunately
if confirmed 100% aubrite the price go up.
Matteo
why will the price 'unfortunatly' go up? the material is already yours - it
doesnt cost you any more if the classification comes back as
AND Mike as a premptive sort of thing
incase anyone else was trying to get ahold of me..
Stan
From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] STAN TURECKI, are you out there?
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:02:30 -0800 (PST)
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unfortunately for you farmer is not my same
material,
I have been pieces of EL6/7 and its brown color, not
white type thisa piece now its in analysis and
we
see
Matteo
this is incorrect. The scientists originally classifying 2965 and others
thought the 'blue' and 'brown'
Hello all,
I have a few more ebay auctions ending in less than 2 days. Close times
start at 19:02 PST on Dec 13 - wednesday night.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZlaserprogramQQsbrsrtZd
(as always scroll past the laser junk! )
In this batch I have the last bits of my new
Hello all,
Have close to two dozen ebay auctions ending in 2 days - end times start at
about 19:29 PDT on monday the 4th.
Some of my regular standbys this week as ususal - but also had the chance to
cut some more of my extra nwa 4290 - the best LL3.10 around IMHO - one of
the last pieces
Hello all,
Have close to two dozen ebay auctions ending in 2 days - end times start at
about 19:29 PDT on monday the 4th.
Some of my regular standbys this week as ususal - but also had the chance to
cut some more of my extra nwa 4290 - the best LL3.10 around IMHO - one of
the last pieces of
Mark,
didnt you read the auction for what you bid on? :)
the classification of this stuff as a 6/7 is SO 5 minutes ago. it's an
EL3... when NAU and other groups looked at this stuff they saw a fine
grained feild of enstatite and no chondrules. thats what lead them to call
it a recrystalized
Mark,
Would it not be fair to say it is an EL6/7 with EL3 clasp material and most
of the material is the EL6/7? I have made a comment or two on this before,
recently with Dimmitt, that I do think it is right to give a meteorite with
more then one petro type the 3 number, when it is not the
Bottom line, the darker the material, the more weathered., but cool all the
same.
Greg - are you reffering to the darker of the 'blue' lithology or the darker
of the material period?
The last i hurd the dark - ie brown material is less weathered - it still
has the oxide veining intact. the
Hello all, another group of auctions ending in about 2 days. End times start
at about 19:14 PDT on November 21
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1
You will have to scroll past a good number of laser items to get to the
meteorite goodies - unless ofcourse you happen to not be
On the subject of large catastrophic impacts, it would be interesting to
see what would happen in such a case, of course anything big enough to
vaporize a city probably wouldn't have any/much cosmic material left, so
any small fragments might actually be quite valuable!
i dont know...
Hello all, I have another batch of ebay stuff ending in about two days.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
Please scroll past the assorted laser stuff to find meteorites. On an
unrelated note it seems interestingly enough that a number of
I will find out where he will be in Tucson and let others know. If you
live in Washington State, the show is still going on tomorrow so you may
want to take advantage of old-timer, Steve with excellent product. He is
in the back of the exhibition hall near the golden gate.
Any contact
Hello all
A few more ebay items ending shortly. End times start at about 18:28 PST on
Thursday Nov 2. some of the highlights include my new acapulcoite, new
angrite, as usuall some killer seymchan. another slice of my KILLER LL3.10,
some plantary saw dust (the rest has been donated to
Not honoring this rule when everybody else does is just plan disrespectful.
David, Take for instance, the long lines at the Disneyworld zoo where you
work in Orlando. If somebody were to take cuts to the front of one of
these long lines and damage the air with a methane release right in
On the other hand, if I cut into something fantastic and get excited, I may
post a link to an image but will not turn it into an ad if I already used
up the quota.
By the way, Mikes new iron is very nice! Too bad I don't collect irons
since I live a couple hundred feet away from a salt
said Steve made a deal for the rock 10 minutes
BEFORE the buy it now happened - or at least before he was aware the buy it
now happened. there didnt seem to be any foreknowledge on the part of Bob,
and certainly not Steve.
sincerely confussed...
stan
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Hello all...
another dozen or so meteorite auctions ending in a little under two days -
ending start on october 25 starting at about 19:20 hrs pacific time.
in this group I have some more small seymchans -
Boxes are fine if there a number of pieces and yes you
can provide greater protection. And yes if the item is
light the price for a box can actually be less than
Global Priority small envelope rate!
are you sure?
i checked on the web site and couldnt find a single country where it was
i'm curious if anyone would care to share their thoughts for the best way to
ship overseas from the US. up untill now i have always used usps global
priority flat rate mailers. they are cheap and fast but you cant use the
ebay / click-n-ship interface to send your packages. is airmail really
Walter,
I might as well chime in on this one too -
I only recived a few emails off list on this subject - three to be exact.
all highly supportive of the effort i was making to provide the best
possible information to collectors.
aparently the one thing that alot of collectors do not like
and on 1839/3133 were not my
own - In both cases I have put forth all the avalible information I have on
the material as well as citing the source of the claim in question.
From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stan,
Nowhere in your auction did you say that a provisional number was assigned
mentioned at your earliest convinience.
Stan,
The complaints have been pouring in about your supposed pairing for days,
every since your action started. I see you added a provisional number at
the very bottom of your auction after the damage was already done. Why not
wait for a formal report
Your eBay ad started on October 9th where you clearly stated ...There is
no offical word on pairings yet - this is an assumption on my part...,
(you added Aarosnon's number a few days after you started your auction
without proper lab confirmation and NWA number).
WRONG - I DID have proper
Stan,
Just admit you are telling fibs. You say that Aaronson and others say the
stones look the same. That's funny, Aaronson and Boswell have never seen
NWA 2999! You know what happened when Farrell changed the NWA 2999 abstract
to match his sample. It is simple, get your facts straight
be disapointed to know that the
material has an effective TKW in the KG range (an order of magnitude more
than the mass of my piece) and is avalible from multiple sources other than
me.
Stan,
I would be happy to let this debate end here and now. All I ask is not to
mention my last name out of context
3133/1839 issue. I an genuinely most interested to see it.
Stan,
Self-proclaimed pairings are considered bad business. I don't understand
why you cannot wait a week or two to get an official lab report with
official pairing statements since NAU provides this data. It is simple to
mention
It is obvious you want it both ways. You base your Brachinite
Brachnite? i thought we were talking about angrites. In any event i am not
basing the potential pairing on anything i see - as i said i am just
relaying information provided to me by my sources. researchers and
moroccains
Stan,
I addressed you and the List directly about the data on NWA 1836/3133 and
you were wrong.
Adam, you spoke of data that was new and never provided any actual DATA only
your summary of it.
If you are too lazy to ask Dr. Bunch yourself, look in the archives as this
two year argument
Let it go, Stan, you are completely wrong!
First of all I wouldnt be wrong - NAU would be wrong since i was just
repeating what they said on the 1839/3133 pairing issue - and you know that.
Secondly - why not just show me - and all of the rest of the collecting
community WHY I'm wrong
Let it go, you are absolutely wrong, again. Like I told David Weir,
contact Dr. Bunch yourself about NWA 3133 and report back to the List your
findings. Read the archives, it is all in there.
Why should i take up Dr. Bunch's precious time? you said data exists and all
i need to do is go
Dr Bunch's exact quote The petrography, mineral chemistry and OXYGEN
ISOTOPSE clearly indicate that NWA 1839 and NWA 3133 are NOT paired,
period! bingo!
*all caps mine*
Adam,as i recall when we had discussed this matter previously you had said
that further testing of 1839 - specifically
The terms same parent body, and same type,
and pairing all have quite different meanings, and
each has its own degree of uncertainty.
Sterling K. Webb
-
just for the record to avoid any possible confusion I am not claiming that
nwa 3133 and
Any time a seller clarifies or corrects a sales description
or ad, we the buyers are the beneficiaries of the additional/clarifying
information and we can thus make a better informed decision to buy or not
buy the material in question.
dont forget that i also added half a dozen new
hello all
i have a handfull of ebay auctions running right now that end in about 2
days. closing starting 19:00 PDT on monday the 16th. included in this
grouping are some more great seymchans, a micro of nwa 2737 the chassignite,
a nice shock veined shergotitte endcut, a new low TKW
about my flooding the
market greg - after that 5g you can go back to selling the stuff for as much
money as you can get.
now why dont YOU do the right thing and apologize to the list for this BS.
From: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: meteorite-list
got some new pieces of a LL3.1 today.
anyone want to make some educated guesses as to what is hapening in these
pics? i havent ever seen chondrules inside of chondrules before...
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/7112/ll31qz2.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7223/ll31bwv9.jpg
TIA
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just a few nice pieces of seymchan this time. endings starts at around 20:00
PDT on the 26th
TIA!
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got a few more pieces of nice seymchan pallasite and a superb etched mostly
iron slice.
TIA for looking
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while i have no offical word yet it seems as though the nwa 2828 is the same
material as the 'second lithology' from the E6/7 i bought in tucson (nwa
2965). I recived the material from two seperate dealers and submitted
speicmins of both lithologies to NAU. at first it was asusmed that both
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
Got a few more odds and ends. a few nice pallasite seymchans, dho 008,
kainsaz and nwa 3118. ending aug 30 starting at 19:53 PDT
TIA!
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That being said, is Ssteve an IMCA member, and why would anyone buy from
anyone who is not a member?
checking the membership list quick i see that Bob Haag, Mike Farmer, Blaine
Reed, Adam Hupe, Al Lang, all of the morrocain sources I know, as well as
several major collectors ARENT members -
You must be looking at a very old list.
Adam and Greg Hupe are members.
In fact Adam Hupe sits on the Board of Directors.
i just looked at the list when i made that post - maybe directlrs arent
listed as members - or maybe i just missed Adam's name. but thats not the
point - there are
Some more nice seymchans, including an end piece that has the widmanstatten
pattern visible on the back side form weathering and a distorted pattern on
the front where the meteorite started to split during atmospheric entry,
some seymchan with gemmy olivine, dho 008, kainsaz and a few others.
got a few more lots of odds and ends. a neat cv3 slice with PURPLE chondrules
and a type B 'dark inclusion', some pallasitic semchan including a large sliced
single olivine crystal, a slice of dho 008, another crusted part slice of
kainsaz and finally anopther piece of the new enstatite
I have photos of a 1200 kg specimin that was sold last year.
for the moment its arrive to 230 kg.calculate
other kilos found in this days its arrive to 300 kg.
.
Matteo
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I have a few more meteorite odds and ends ending in about 2 days.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
please ignore the laser do-dads, unless ofcourse you want to shop for high
power diode lasers as you shop for fully gem olivine seymchan, fresh
As all this was going on my auctions ended and I lost LOTS of money to low
bids and no bids. Some of my specimens went for .99 and were worth 10 times
that or more.
I've sold maybe 500 or more auctions on ebay - and i'm a little guy by far.
And yet i have never seen the phenomina you
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
some ebay stuff ending in about 2 days (starting roughly 1900 hrs PDT on
july 31)
highlights include some more pallasite like polymict diogenite, a small thin
slice of DHO 008, an H/L 3.2 and finally a small
What would be a reasonable price for fresh Kainsaz??
1$/g - just box it up and send it my way. I'll send you a paypal for
whatever it weighs.
;)
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Another slice of the 'pallasite like polymict diogenite' I picked up in
tucson showing some spectacular transluscent phenocrysts and a few other
small items. All ending after about 19:30 PDT on july 21st
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
if they
needed it instead of just being asked to donate specimens? There's a bit
more incentive there
SWMC would not be the first or only institution that offers compensation for
specimins.
Sorry Stan, no one was pulling my leg. I saw them with my own eyes...as
well as a 3-4kg fairly
What Marvin almost always does is sell half of a specimen and keep the rest
intact. In this fashion, he hasn't entirely kept meteorites from being
cut,
but he sure keeps a hell of a lot of them more intact than they would
otherwise be, and for that I applaud him.
So in other words he does
my last post on this subject
Really? I'll stick with the classification that Blaine showed meI've
never seen a fine-grained, achondritic (completely recrystallized) H5-6.
If
you said H7 I might believe you, but you don't even know what was there, so
don't try to pass it off as
The samples would be available
for the future experiments that anyone might conceive - rather than sitting
lost in some dusty drawer...or in a membrane box, decaying away on
someone's
desk.
Quite the contrary to this notion I feel that private collectors CAN and DO
serve to protect the
*I see no evidence of this quote in the article that you sent a link for.
I'd like to know where you found it. Because it wasn't in that article. *
http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/003097.html
sorry i took the quote from a source that listed that as a source
In any case, it's true
they offer a pay service and the whole POINT
of an unclassified bin is that dealers dont want to bother to get the rocks
classified?
Yes, Stan, tens of kilos. I personally saw four 1+kilo pieces that were
parts of a single, broken up stone, as well as two other pieces that fit
together
It's not meant to keep any material from collectors, and is, in fact,
aiming
to make classification a much faster process, so that instead of waiting
for
months to see the results of a find, dealers will have a turnaround
measured
in weeks, if not days.
or the dealer can just send the
Michael,
This is a somewhat touchy subject that I'm about to bring up, so I will just
come out and say it.
Nothing against Killgore or Dr. Lauretta personally, but lets not forget
that their new meteorite center was founded because of the 'private
collecting community cutting up and
While I more than appreciate your concern - since I am a collector
and a dealer, of course, I would share your perspective IF that were
what the center were about. However, in protracted discussions with
Marvin and Dr. Lauretta that is certainly not the sense I get, at all.
Michael,
I legal terms, a meteorite is a rock in the most general sense.
Adam,
Export documents typically require SPECIFIC itimization, not
generalizations. Try to export a bunch of plutonium described as 'lump of
metal' and see how far it gets you. diamonds, fossils, and some antiquities
could too
Meteorites have very little or no commercial value until studied so these
I dont know how much money you guys have spent on unclassified rocks, but
given what I have sent to morroco as a minor player I'd have to beg to
differ with you on that one.
rocks were unconditionally released
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZlaserprogram
ending 12 july at around 1900hrs PDT - some assorted small specimins
including a few historics, a neat new chondrule laden H4 and others.
TIA
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So . . . what you're saying is that iron and nickel meteorites are made of
iron and nickel?
Where do the non asteroid-based meteorites come from?
this doesnt seem like a mistake, but rather a dumbing down of the facts for
consumnption by joe average. it's kind of hard to fit a concise
This auction is aggravating enough but has anyone checked the shipping and
handling charges for that worthless crumb? $89.05 to my Chicago burb.
report it to Ebay. final value fee advoidance is a vioaltion of TOS and ebay
is cracking down on it.
how are these people trying to screw buyers and why do they need to be
stoped?
the auction does say quite clearly that they arent sure what the thing is
and that they arent experts. they include a photo that would allow anyone
who has more than 5 minutes of experience with meteorites to
Well i couldnt resist not knowning.. even though I didnt want to do it I
went and cut a few very thin slices of my new polymict diogenite purchase
from tucson and got a few translucent slices! I'll have a few of them on
ebay shortly, the best one up for grabs is on ebay right now:
I have sent him numerous emails, but no feedback yet. It's been over 3
weeks
since the auction.
this might seem overly harsh, but I would think that maybe he hasnt left
feedback because he thinks you are pestering him on the issue. 'numerous
emails' seems to be a bit above and beyond
I fear you have missed my point. just because your emails were friendly
doesnt mean that the dealer in question doesnt think of your 'numerous
emails' about feedback - even through friendly - arent an annoyance.
He may have time to list other ebay auctions but that doesnt mean he gives
the
I have not verified this info but with the behind the scenes action I have
seen and/or heard about, the days are numbered for meteorites leaving
Moroccan borders, whether they are from there or not.
isnt it kind of irrelevant if morroco closes down for meteorite exportation?
many stones
is this paper avalible online anywhere in electronic format? a quick google
didnt turn anything up.
TIA!
YAMAGUCHI A. et al. (2006) An anomalous eucrite, Dhofar 007,
and a possible genetic relationship with mesosiderites.
(MAPS 41-6, 2006, 863-874)
from what i understand this is because of illegal boarder crossings, not
because the authorities care about some stones...
if stones were comming into morroco from other nations and their export is
made illegal they will just travel to another state where the export laws
are more lax.
The green and gold flecked charcoal-colored stone was too hot to
handle, he said. So he let it cool, then stored it in a drawer.
Hmmm Case closed I'd say ..
i wouldbnt be so quick to judge based on this fact alone. the pic of the
stone shows a very tiny specimin, maybe 50g tops. the
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one last round of stuff for ebay. this will probably be my last listing of
the new enstatite metachonderite for a while. Also up for grabs is a micro
of bilanga and the LL5 'deans blue'. finally one more slice of the
I remember seeing irons, gibeons iirc - that had been tumbled in a rock
tumbler untill they were bright and shiney metal. I know that meteorite
spheres look pretty neat when etched. I'm curious if anyone would know what
a tumbled meteorite would look like when etched - in other words, a
Something to think about: If someone got away with selling child related
pornography on eBay and if he had a 100% positive feedback rating would
that make it ok???
oh for the sake of pete!
is it really necessary to equate what seems to be an entierly reputable
seller with a 100% positive
One more round of auctions... got some neat slices of stuff with unusual
inclusions, including a piece of nwa 3118 cv3 with a big ameboid CAI and one
of the CO like 'dark inclusions' (the inclusions arent actually CO material
but aqueous altered cv material with tiny chondrules) and a massive
one more go around for ebay... included in this auction is some more of the
enstatite metachonderite material, some nwa 3118 with the rare 'dark
inclusion' aqueous alteration material, some more awsome chondrules in an
LL3.7 and one biggie - an AWSOME full slice of nwa 2923 - a polymict
FWIW when Bob Haag first sold zagami you could buy small quantities of it
for 50$/g since the price of nearly all meteorites is volume dependant with
larger quantiies selling for lower prices that means the value of 9kgs - AT
THAT TIME - would ahve been no more than a few hundred thousand
a few more odds and ends to make my kid sister earn some money standing in
line at the post office. bid high and bid often!
a small end cut of billanga, an AWSOME small etched canyon diablo slice with
plenty of troilite, graphite and schreibersite, a few AWSOME LL3 pieces and
a pair of
some odds and ends on ebay. bid high and bid often, I'm trying to support my
unemployed kid sister by having her work ebay for me
be sure to scroll past the laser junk :) included is a new carbonaceous,
ureilite, some VERY nice unequilibriated slices, some material paired to the
Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to
enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical
paradise !!!
Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush.
I dont know about the other guys you mentioned, but Blaine has 'been in the
Contra, Stan!
you are speaking from that era, when almost nobody was collecting
meteorites
and there were worldwide 5 dealers, hence no market, the golden age of the
70ies and partially 80ies, when there was so few interest in meteorites,
that there wasn't a market at all and the prices even
If Sahara is over and Oman closed, please Stan, tell me where should
similar
amounts of meteorites come from?
who says sahara is over? the supply of common material surely is dwindling,
but there doesnt seem to be any signifigant change in the supply of rare
material. heck look
Since you felt it necessary to step up, claim guilt and show disrespect for
a leader in Meteoritics, I felt I had better respond publicly.
Dr. Irving has earned a Ph.D. and the Nom Com votes on his submissions. I
think these qualifications speak for themselves as far as qualifying rocks.
Perhaps MetBull 90 will clarify this but does anyone know anymore about
this NWA 1929/2690 paring?
the material is likely paired (although it's not OFFICIALLY paired - per
Adam's 'rules'), the only issue is that the diffrence between a howardite
and a eucrite is a arbitrary deliniation
New isotope studies in Germany indicate that they are not paired.
i havent seen anything about that in the MetBul - so it's not official - so
it doesnt matter - RIGHT?
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Stan,
You are obviously one of the 5%ers. You will not find it in a bulletin. You
will find it in a peer reviewed abstract soon. You may want to spend more
time reading about the processes involved before trying to start something
you know nothing about. Get your information in and order than
Collectors are entitled to official material or at the very least
provisional if the rules are being adhered to. *snip* The rules have been
clear
for the last two years and to continually violate them will only serve to
undermine collector confidence.
there are no 'rules' when it comes to
Yea but...
A PCGS rated coin is worth a lot more than a dealer's self proclaimed
rating
which means nothing no matter how honest he may be perceived. Same for
baseball cards. Borrowing a serial number from an officially rated baseball
card would be considered fraudulent. A dealer rating a
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