Greetings List,
That second sentence should read I'd have to say its probably
because...
I'm replying to my own post to the list. Another FIRST for the Park
Forest meteorite. Sorry all, I live just a 20 minute drive from the
strewn field and am averaging about 2-5 hours of sleep per night. I
got
I have write the portales when is exit in the market
the price it was to $35-40 grams, and for me is ok for
a special meteorite type Portales Valley - find
another similar meteorite - but after few years the
price is go to $12/gr. when the main mass is go cut.
The same is for Park Forest, now
Hi Mike and list,
Sorry you missed out on a truly important find. Several scientist have been
consulted and all say that a roof hit by a meteorite could not cause such
forms. The official consensus are these are a product of the fall . I was
told by one scientist this is an extremely fantastic
Regarding Park Forest, Matteo wrote:
Historical?? Historical is after over minimum
40 years, no after 4 dayshistorical only
probably for the USA persons of the zone,
but for meteorite collectors is not
historical.
Maybe we're splitting hairs here. In Matteo's interpretation,
Hello
An object normally becomes historical, at least here
in Italy, after 40-50 years - there is a law that says
it - I do an example, if it is found a cartridge-case
of field gun of the Second World War, this already is
sorted like historical material and therefore
protected from law, even if
If this incredible discovery turns out to be true then it will only drive the price of this meteorite up even more. It has also been confirmed that pieces picked up after the rain are rusting. So the supply of pristine Park Forest meteorites will be of a much lower weight than the ultimate TKW
Good morning list. Wow!What a storm I started.I know that eventually
everyone would find out about this historical fall,but to have had a
hand in letting everyone know about it.It kinda makes you tingle inside
all over.I have averaged 75 emails a day since last thursday.Getting
emails from
It is incredible what a meteorite fall will for you. It seems Mr. SIR Rob
Elliot is back in our fair city again.Is it summer rob?Happy hunting.
steve
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Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
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Hi Anne and all,
Thanks for the information regarding this name. I think I am dealing with a false
meteorite (meteorwrong, Leave or ite) :-)
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Greetings listees. I was going through my copy of
Meteorites A to Z last night, and came across
something that seemed me a little strange. I noticed
that the two falls, Galim(a) and Galim(b) both fell on
the same day, at the same time, and in the same place.
What struck me curiously about this
I'll post the web address of my little site on collecting micro-meteorites
since the park forest fall seems to have made the issue particularly
important right now. Incidently, I've seen the glassy forms still in a
partially separated state on the fusion crust of a couple of NWA's.
Dear dave
here is the answer:
Title:
The Galim LL/EH polymict breccia: Evidence for impact-induced exchange
between reduced and oxidized meteoritic material
Authors:
Rubin, Alan E.
Journal:
Meteoritics, vol. 32, pages 489-492
Publication Date:
07/1997
Origin:
METIC
Bibliographic Code:
Matteo and List,
The initial offering of Besour was $15.00/g., go back and check the List
archives. A dealer made this original offer before the Hupes announced the
classification. After that, there were certain events that led to downward
price adjustments. However, I believe that there
Matteo,
Are you just now figuring out that there are several factors that affect
the value of anything that is collectable? Lots of factors have negatively
affected the prices of meteorites over the past few years. In contrast,
some people will say that the net effect was a GOOD one because
Dear list
I have some auctions ending soon, ( L3.8 breccia, Eucrite, CO3 ) some are
not listed on the main list ( trouble with ebay ? ) but appear when you
search by seller: type kayunwar;
Have a look and good bidding.
Best regards.
Michel FRANCO
Matteo. W WAAA Damn dude, shut up already. You don't have
any, and won't have any. Get used to it.
That is what you sound like right now. Know when to shut up, back off and
let things that are not in your control sort themselves out.
Any questions?
Mike Farmer
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I certainly hope so, that makes my roof smasher that much more interesting.
Mike
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From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects found in Park Forest
Hi Mike and
No one can understand Matteos logic. Dont even try. He is just being a baby
and trying to ruin what he does not have.
Mike Farmer
I just call it like I see it guy.
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From: Dave Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Robert Woolard
GREAT, Now Matteo, since we are in the USA and most dealers and collectors
discussing this fall are in the USA, leave us to OUR historical fall and go
find some more meteorites like you always do in Italy.
Mike Farmer
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From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello List, I think I am figuring the price thing out! Some dealers can get
nice meteorites like Geo for 8 cents a gram and sell it for $3 a gram. So,
some collectors do not pass their savings on to their fellow meteorite
collectors. Then there are some that pass that savings on knowing we should
Is ready...a new italian fall is in analysis in Rome,
another found in Tuscany..pieces you never have in
your collection why I have been the all pieces on
hold.is strange in you collection not have any
italian meteorite type a very important Vigarano, or
Renazzo, or Albareto
A few weeks agosomeone mentioned the book "Meteorites: A JourneyThrough Space and Time" ( ISBN 1-58834-021-X ) by Alex Bevan and John De Laeter. They did not know the price. I just found one at the local Borders here in Portland, Maine. Price is $39.95, hardcover only. Hope this helps.
Ed
Do you
Matteo, wow, you are the man. You have recovered about how many Italian
falls? 20? One was proven to be Pultusk stones, the others? Amazing, you
should be the real meteorite man, Bob Haag has never found that many
meteorites. Matteo, I could care less what you have, you have proven to me
that you
you love pultusk I seeprobably you no know the
italian territory, and when I go to search meteorites
I no go from the nomads to buy, I have 5 persons with
metal detectors go to search meteorites. In first, the
fall is not in my hands but in the Rome University, in
second the found I have
ok.. tar... um.. where all this tar come from so suddenly on the ground?
Have always had a tin ( metal ) roof over my head, I do not understand how
tar gets off a roof and on the ground with such abundance, and in
formations. Sounds a bit queer.but I guess it can happen.
Oh yes.. I have listed
Yes Steve.. congratulations.
Your Fairy Godmother finally delivered your most fondest wish and you have
been the in the spotlight and the center of attention you have always
craved.
Congratulations on your finds, I hope you can find more...but...as a distant
cousin of the late Princess Di... I
In a message dated 03/04/03 18:03:28 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes Steve.. congratulations.
Your Fairy Godmother finally delivered your most fondest wish and you have
been the in the spotlight and the center of attention you have always
craved.
Congratulations on your finds,
Seams extremely likely, if not obvious, to me.
My 3c worth - Michael
on 4/3/03 6:30 AM, Dave Schultz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What struck me curiously about this is that Galim(a)
was 5 stones found and it`s classification is an LL6
vnd. pmb., and that Galim(b) was only 1 stone and
In the words of Rosanna Rosannadanna, Oh. Never mind. Michael
on 4/3/03 6:42 AM, rochette at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear dave
here is the answer:
Title:
The Galim LL/EH polymict breccia: Evidence for impact-induced exchange
between reduced and oxidized meteoritic material
Authors:
Sorry,
A non-US reader asked me if my post (below) meant who cares?
This was my response:
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NOT AT ALL!
I was referring to my earlier post that it WAS an earlier fall,
which the later report clarified was entirely wrong on my part.
You would have to have a history
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s822757.htm
Hot asteroids make Earth-like planets more likely
Mark Horstman
ABC Science Online (Australia)
April 3, 2003
Young stars beyond our Sun can form rocky planets like
Earth from nearby gas and dust, suggests a new study of
meteorites which
Hello folks,
Can someone tell me what price the 70 gram P.F. for sale on ebay closed at?
Thanks,
Larry
That has to be the best use of a cat I have ever heard of.Norway sounds
like they need some better entertainment to cut some of the boredom.
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From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:39 PM
Listees,
Thanks for the responses, to all that replied!
Larry
http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=417mode=threadorder=0thold=0
Ice Diary 7: Summer Christmas
Astrobiology Magazine
April 3, 2003
Summary: The Ice Diary series explores the adventures
of a dedicated group of meteor hunters. The National
Science
Matteo:
if someone ruin the
prices of market
I can't speak for anyone else, Matteo, but THIS phrase clearly identifies perhaps the major difference between your view of the meteorite market (or any market for that matter) and mine, which I'd guess is also shared by many on this list.
The
if someone ruin the
prices of market like already was done with the
lunars, martian and varied historical meteorites, make
losing money to who had invested grosses adds
Matteo - did a PERSON "ruin the prices".or did increased supply lower the prices? When DaG 262 first came onto the market,
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The fact that you assume that that a seller (or
several) even has the
capability of ruining the prices of a meteorite,
suggests that you think
that market prices are mostly controlled by the
seller. I think that prices
are mostly controlled by the buyer.
Regarding this whole discussion on the price of PF, and ANY OTHER meteorite.
There's a little thing we have in this (but not only this) country (i.e., USA)...it's
called CAPITALISM. And closely tied to capitalism is a little thing called supply
and demand.
Heyit may not be the best
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. I know many dealers have buy for high prices
and now have lost many money for this problem.
Yes. But when I buy shares in Microsoft or General Motors and the price goes down (true story ;-) I can't really complain to the corporation and ask for my money back, now
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Yes. But when I buy shares in Microsoft or General
Motors and the price goes
down (true story ;-) I can't really complain to the
corporation and ask for
my money back, now can I? I can only sell it for
wherever the price goes, up
or down, and be a smarter
http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/
New Launch Date for Deep Impact
Deep Impact Project
April 1, 2003
A new launch window is announced for the Deep Impact project, the first
mission to look deep inside a comet. Technical and management issues,
including contamination in the propulsion system and
Matteo and Gregory,
I have a deal for you both.
How about something like this:
Matteo, you wire me $2000 (I'll just hold the piece since it will be going
to Gregory anyway)
Gregory will then wire you $2000 (again, no shipping charge necessary)
Gregory, I will send you $1000 (see no shipping
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a deal for you both.
How about something like this:
Matteo, you wire me $2000 (I'll just hold the piece since it will be going
to Gregory anyway)
Gregory will then wire you $2000 (again, no shipping charge necessary)
Gregory, I will send you $1000 (see no
Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear List Members,
You are going to think we are insane
announcing this but we feel it is =
important.
I have two reactions.
1. These objects shouldn't be dismissed out
of hand. Regardless of how it turns out the
proper and important thing to do is for
The Shergotty? I've still got it ;-) There was no chance of it getting
lost or anything.
I thought it was a pretty elegant solution to everyone's problem.
Actually Matteo does make somewhat of a point. Dealers of some
collectibles (particularly those that can't be manufactured) can influence
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Adam, et al.:
Here's another piece to the puzzle.I just
received one of the now well-known micros from Steve Arnold, and wasted no time
putting it under my stereo microscope. It is mostly fusion crust,and
appears to bequite metaliferous.
More to the point, it has a very small -- but
Hi list. I know very soon the big meteorite dealers will be selling the
new park forest meteorite, and everybody in there mothers son will be
buying it up.At what price per gram, god only knows.Just a final push for
my micro's.I have 4 non-crusted ones left.I am putting up my half gram
full crust
and appears to bequite
metaliferous.
By this I mean sulfides.
Mark
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/1841948
Case ends voyage of moon rock
Recovered stone will go back to Honduras
By ERIC BERGER
Houston Chronicle
March 28, 2003
Antiquities dealer Alan Rosen had a really old
item to sell five years ago.
Although Rosen didn't trust the two men
Here is a glimpse of what a gorgeous meteorite it is!
The black areas are really unusual and some contain vesicles and a real
light colored breccia . See for yourself here...
Faster connections
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/park_forest/for_sale/slab1-highres.jpg
Dear List Members,
After cutting up several specimens of this new fall
it appears it may have too much metal to be classified as an LL although the Fa
number appears to fall into the LL range. Here is a picture below showing
a polymict breccia texture.
It is time for me to stir up some more controversy. From all I've seen, Park Forest really doesn't look like meteorite. Only the black parts seem to have fusion crust and it doesn't look as shiny and glazed as you would expect. The grey parts either don't have any crust at all, or it chipped away
Also, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to see a picture.
-Thanks
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Greetings,
I was just wondering if anybody would be interested in trading a Park Forest
Hello everone, I have also returned home today and
began cutting pieces. Michael Cottingham and I cut in Alcohol also (God help
anyone who cuts with water).
At this time I have no pieces for sale yet. All the
people who paid me already will get their pieces soon.
I will go back to Chicago
Adam, why does your piece have rust spots all over
the cut face if you cut in alcohol?
Mike Farmer
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From:
Adam Hupe
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:17
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest
image
Dear List
Mike, Adam and List,
The spots Mike is referring to don't look like rust spots to me. After
photographing meteorites for several years, my guess is that they are
bright iron/nickel particles reflecting either skin tone color or something
else, like a shirt, close by that is a warm orange
Indeed that could be. I hope so.
Mike
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From: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe
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Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest image
Mike, Adam and
Matt:
AWESOME pictures!!
I wish I could have searched for a piece myself. But then again, no work missed, no hotel - travel - or food bills - and to be able to hold a FRESH piece of the solar system NOT of this planet dare I say "...just about priceless"...
Thanks!!
Juris Breikss
[EMAIL
Dear List Members
The question was brought up if it was rust showing on the slices we cut, the
answer is no. First of all we cut using pure 200 proof ethyl alcohol not
rubbing alcohol which actually attracts water. Second of all I feel I need
to warn anybody cutting with alcohol to have the
Dear List Members,
I forgot to mention you should slow the blade RPM down to about 150 and make
sure your reservoir never runs dry or the cutting blade will spark when it
encounters iron in the meteorite. It is also a good idea to run a
ventilator if are running the operation under a splash hood
Hi list.Just to let everyone know,I found a missing fusion crusted
micro.So it is 1 crusted micro, 4 non-crusted micro's, and 1 half gram
full fusion crusted piece.It is good to have all your inventory.Just a
side note,I talked to paul siperia, and he said it is looking more like an
L5
Adam, I am not using my saw. Don't worry about me, I've been cutting long
before you know what a meteorite was.
Thanks
Mike.
By the way, I have decided to stay home and get the website built and pieces
polished and shipped, so you can all expect them asap.
Mike Farmer
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Hello Everyone,
Interesting article on oxygen isotope
analysis in CAIs and chondrules:
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec01/Oisotopes.html
-Walter
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Hello List, I think we need to talk about this:
.We just gotta keep looking.See you all on Saturday in the strewnfields.
I think we need to rethink this term, Strewn-field! Should this not be
strewn-town, strewn-city or strewn-something, Where is the field?
Thanks, Tom
The proudest member of
Additionally we have discussed in the past, the merits of attempting to
collect micro debris by placing panyhose/stocking/ securely over the
down spouts of area houses/buildings. Perhaps those nearby Park Forest
could promote this and collect the screenings after 2 weeks or so. I
have found
Hello,
I am trying to build a website and I could really use pictures of the following.
Etched slice of each of the octahedrite classes
Slice of the R, K and EL, EH groups
Slice of each of the carbonaceous sub-group
Would prefer something in a 2 x 3 inch size. Will add your name for photo credit.
Hey!
Another few miles to the northeast, a tiny fraction of a degree
in trajectory, and what we call Park Forrest would be just one
more anonymous inhabitant of the bottom of Lake Michigan, keeping
company with gentlemen in concrete overshoes and some rusted
Smith Wesson's with their barrels
hahhahahaaha.I have one similar, if you want I
sale for 30.000 euro
regards
Matteo
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Robert,
Just wanted to report that there was a heavy rainfall earlier this
evening in Park Forest that lasted nearly twenty minutes. I'm talking
heavy downpour. This may have created a bit of a problem for gutter
downspout collection.
Steve
--- Robert Wendi Beauford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone ever had any luck with putting netting over their gutters as
a matter of principle, and examining what comes out. I mean in a normal
suburb where there is no fall - so that you catch the debris of the
occasional shooting star. Is there enough small matter coming down to
make this worth
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