[meteorite-list] New Gravitational Map of the Earth...
New Gravity map produced of the earth http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3093927.stm
[meteorite-list] ebay advice
Hi all.I finally got some advise on how to show off my ebay products the correct away.I created an simple about me page so you can follow a way to get to see what I am selling.I am sorry for all the continuing mix up's.You can go to http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ -. steve It is also at the bottom of my signature. = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteoites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest Strewn Field
Dear List, As most of you know, I'm working on a crater-possible area in Southern California. This area, I believe, shows evidence of a complex event characterized by an airbust explosion of a main mass which is "followed in" by what I term as "break up companions"; pieces of the main mass that separated from it PRIOR to the explosion. Any one who has seen the Columbia disaster breakup, or the Peekskill fireball video or any bolide film will recall that such "break up companions" tend to fall behind the main mass as they all continue to push forward along the flight path. This can be for any number of reasons; one can imagine it's a simple matter having to do with the lighter mass vs. atmospheric load of re-entry. Remember going along here that heavier companions will hang closer to the main mass than lighter ones. If one continues to imagine that a main mass and some "break up companions" continue along until suddenly the main mass explodes, then one must consider quite a few things: 1.) The main mass will send an explosive shockwave out omnidirectionally from it's centerpoint which is the endpoint of it's velocity vector. 2.) The break up companions following the main mass will meet this shockwave as they travel forward. It's safe to assume, given the effects of gravity and the previously discussed atmospheric loading, that they will meet the shockwave at or below the velocity vector; thus they will be forced down and to both or one side of the velocity vector. Following these objects to the ground, one can continue to imagine they will fall in an ellipsoid pattern that appears perpendicular to the velocity vector. These objects will fall either to one or both sides (PF all landed to the right or east of the velocity vector); the heavier objects will naturally be closer to the velocity vector (the PF house penetrators) with the lighter pieces further down and away (the Crete impactors). I suggest then that the Park Forest "reverse strewn field" is suddenly not so reverse after all. It's really a collection of pre-airburst companions spread down and away from the exploding main mass. The main mass was probably vaporized or whatever was left continued on into Lake Michigan. Kindest Regards, Mark Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - July 21-25, 2003
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES July 21-25, 2003 o Eroded Mesas (Released 21 July 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20030721a.html o Wind Effects in Tharsis (Released 24 July 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20030724a.html o Gusev Crater (Released 25 July 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20030725a.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sonic-booms (?) in the south of France
Jeremie VAUBAILLON is not a member of our M-List, but he is soliciting eye-witness accounts from our members in Italy or Spain of a bolide event in the south of France. If you reply, please add Jeremie's address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Forward Message --- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:08:09 +0100 From: Jeremie VAUBAILLON [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (meteorobs) fireball in south of France Hello, An amator astronomer reports the observation of a fireball in south of France. Here are the details : date : thursday, 24th July, around 19h50 UT location : Cavillargues (Long: 04°31'E, Lat :44°07'N) Constellation where the meteor was seen : SCORPIO Magnitude : brighter than Venus (nothing more precise...) These has been 3 explosions + fragmentation The fireball has also been observed in Avignon. Has anybody else observed this meteor ? (Italy or Spain ?) Thanks ;-) Jeremie *** * Jeremie VAUBAILLON * Institut de Mecanique Celeste et de Calcul * des Ephemerides (www.imcce.fr, ex bdl.fr) * 77 Avenue Denfert Rochereau * 75014 PARIS * FRANCE *** * tel : +33 (0)1 40 51 22 66 * fax : +33 (0)1 40 51 20 58 * URL : http://www.imcce.fr/Equipes/GAP/equipeGAP-JV-GB.html * The archive and Web site for Meteorobs list is at http://www.meteorobs.org To get messages from the 'meteorobs' list, use Webform: http://www.meteorobs.org/subscribe.html -- End of meteorobs-digest V4 #1191 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Strewn Field
Sonny List, So far as I know Sonny, we are struggling to come to terms with this type of strewn field for the first time by hashing it out amongst ourselves. Sterling K. Webb was very close to the mark by pointing to the pre-airburst breakup companions but he couldnt find reason for the extreme NW to SE elongation of the pattern (very good work Sterling!). Some have suggested winds aloft; that is not ruled out at all and should be characterized. I struggle mightily, however, with winds being more than a small factor in the fall pattern of PF. I believe the shockwave has very much more to do with the flattening and elongation of the perpendicular pre-airburst breakup companion strewn field; the reason for this is those companions fly right into the shockwave close to its peak pressure (right after detonation), and that must affect their flight paths to a large degree. If it turns out to be accepted, we should call falls like PF airburst fall fields because it can only happen when there are companions following into an airburst shockwave. Well, before we do that, there have beena couple ofother strewn fields that match the 90 degree out pattern as pointed out by Ron Baalke and others; I have not read the scientific papers associated with those falls to see what the investigators concluded, so we may be repeating work already done. To answer some of your other questions, I have no way of telling you what any particular strewn field will look like; they are such dynamic events it would be impossible. There are some basic tenets of physics that will apply however. If you take a line called the velocity vector of the original body and intersect it with the earth, thats what DoD calls the straight-line intersection. In a vacuum, undisturbed by any other forces, the impact point would be right on that point. In a total breakup situation, like Columbia, the heaviest pieces will always be closest to the straight line intersection (the far end of the strewn field). Better put, heaviest objects will always be closest to the velocity vector AND the straight-line intersection because they carry the most kinetic energy and are therefore the hardest objects for outside forces to move off course. Something else to remember: these are all pre-impact elements we are discussing here; this is WAY different than discussing a post-impact ejecta pattern. I have found what I suspect to be meteorite fragments at my crater-possible site. Nothing I have found has yet been confirmed to be of impact or meteoritic origin, however. I am not a PhD or anything I just do this stuff because I like it and I have great interest in it. Finally I dont know what a meteorite recovery team is . . . but I want to sign up! Kindest Regards, Mark Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
[meteorite-list] Vitim Meteorite Was Probably A Comet
http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160msg_id=3345630startrow=1date=2003-07-25do_alert=0 VITIM METEORITE WAS PROBABLY A COMET Russian Information Agency Novosti July 25, 2003 MOSCOW - Russian scientists who have investigated the place where the so-called Vitim meteorite fell presume that what hit the taiga was a small comet. The object concerned was a large celestial body with a supposed weight of about 100 tons, which at the end of September of last year fell into the basin of the Vitim River in Eastern Siberia. Witnesses claim that they saw a glowing object hurtle through the air and break up into small pieces and then heard a powerful explosion. A fire started in the place of the fall, within a radius of 3 kilometres. Because these localities are hard to reach, the investigators did not arrive there until this summer. Members of the Russian expedition said they failed to discover metal remnants in the place of the fall. Besides, the character of damage and the radiation background at the explosion epicentre are substantially different from the aftereffects of the fall of a meteorite, believe the scientists. The meteorite version is also disproved by the fact that edges of meteorites are usually fused, and fragments of the celestial body have a dense metallic structure. The fragments found by the scientists resemble sandstone and crumble in hands, one of the expedition participants Vadim Chernobrov, head of the Kosmopoisk research association, told RIA Novosti. According to him, some data, however, fail to confirm the comet theory. The local water was found to contain tritium, a special kind of radioactive hydrogen, and that is rather strange for comets, thinks Chernobrov. Although near midnight on September 24, 2002, the flying object above Eastern Siberia was registered, according to the US Defence Department, by an American military satellite, members of the Russian expedition do not rule out that they deal with a rare natural phenomenon - a giant ball lightning or an ejection of special subterranean minerals that disintegrate into water and gas. Final conclusions will be made later. The investigations on the site of the blast are continuing. As estimated by specialists, it was an explosion of such a force that if the supposed fire-ball had fallen on Moscow, half of the Russian capital would have turned into desert, a nd the other half into ruins. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Vitim Meteorite Was Probably A Comet
I'm not convinced that an impact site has been found in Siberia. An expedition to the area found some burnt trees and some rocks claimed to be meteorites. The rocks would be key evidence for an impact site if they are confirmed to be meteorites. However, there has been no such confirmation yet, and have had more than ample time to do so by now. The burnt trees may just be from a natural forest fire. The descriptions in this article indicates that the rocks are *not* meteorites. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 1242 WANTED !!!!!!
Hello I need any info and PHOTOS of mesosiderite named NWA 1242 Is there someone who have any photo of this meteorite ? Thanks -[ MARCIN CIMAA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1242 WANTED !!!!!!
Hi Marcin, for NWA 1242 check these 2: http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/nwa-1242.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9278/NWA1242.HTM Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1242 WANTED !!!!!!
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[meteorite-list] web site updated and few questions
Dear list members, we want to let you know that we did update our web site, you will find a new selection of historical specimens as well as the new Iron Rich Diogenite discussed few days ago. www.meteorite.fr/en/forsale.htm Don't forget to ask us any of your wishes before buying anywhere else, we are the source for most part of the rare new samples and you'll see that our customers price/service policy worth it. Most part of our inventory is not on line so always drop us a mail to compare before deciding. As the meteorite meeting is going on in Munster, we would like to know what kind of propositions have been done about the relationship scientist/dealers. Any ideas ? For us one important point is that without the prospectors/dealers investments it wouldn't have been possible to have access to all these new important samples. No lab could have funded so many expeditions ! As the declaration needs 20%/20gr the scientifical community has access to major specimens for free witch helped to increase the global publications and knowledge on these space/time travelers: meteorites, our shared passion ! Another important problem for institutions is that more countries are discovering the interest about meteoritics. Some of these countries just realize that major samples have been discovered on their land... they will now begin to ask for restitution of their material... up to now the Nom Com did accept to declare meteorites anonymously... then it seems that the liability will fall down on them. Imagine Libya or Morocco asking back the value of all the DaG and NWA to the Museums whom own the 20%/20Gr deposit !!! It's their right as none of these rocks have been exported legally ! They surely will win as the international laws on national treasure already gave examples on mineral, fossils and artifacts. And what about the private collectors ? Will we be oblige to give back all the material where we have no proper valid certificates ?? Dr Huss was asking the opinion on several points to be discussed publicly to vote the future Nom Com policy. Did some of you already know what kind of subjects were discussed ? We wish you the best from sunny France Bruno Carine The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr www.jurassique.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gelatinous Blobs found in Oakville
Still doesn't answer what it might be. The last one I heard turned out to be a boing bomb. just a thought, Ron
Re: [meteorite-list] Vitim Meteorite Was Probably A Comet
Although near midnite on September 24, 2002, the flying object was registered, according to U.S. Defence Department.. Dear Ron and List, Again, keep in mind that I am asking about a possible theory or theories, considering the comparison of unconfirmed data, in all to be mentioned events. I saw a televison account with actual picture of the aftermath of the alleged Tugunsta Asteroid. The pictures I've seen of the area in the alleged Vitim Meteorite, were almost identical. Specifically, in the evidence of large area of burnt trees. ( Where does zero-velocity fit into the fiery devestation?) Anybody? Please advise? Also, I could't help but wonder in comparison, about a theory I had heard about in the event of The Great Chicago Fire, October 8, 1871. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow took the rap for this one, but one state away (north), in Wisconsin, in the city of Peshtigo, on the exact same day as Chicago, Illinois Fire, that devestated a large portion of that city, Pestigo, a lumber mill town in Northern Wisconsin, and miles of lumber country were also devestated by a fire that surrounded the city of Pestigo, and forced every living thing into the Green Bay Harbor, (Great Lakes) to attempt survival. There was a larger fatality rate in the Pestigo Fire, but was upsurped by the importance of the Chicago Fire, thus the media focussed on it, at the time. In both cases it was proclaimed that it had been an especially dry hot summer. A television documentary, (and fact that I visited Pestigo Fire Museum, while up there), gave evidense of fireballs being reported as seen, previous to both fires, with a possible 3rd. fire somewhere in Minnesota, that same day, also with previous reported fireball sightings. Much the same as fire devestation as in Tugunsta, and Vitim. events. If anyone has heard or can enlighten me about the verification of fireball sightings , or any info. on the fires in Chicago, Il., and Peshtio,Wi., on October 8, 1871, please contact me off-list if that is necessary, because of the possible controversy, and Bandwidth situation . Best Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Vitim Meteorite Was Probably A Comet
Dear List, So sorry, upon further investigation, I realized I had spelled the name of the City, Peshtigo, (not Pestigo, as I wrote previously ), Wisconsin, wrong. Please excuse this error. Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hupe Web site address
Yo, The Hupes DO have a web site, don't they? I tried to look them up at Meteorite Exchange and they weren't listed Can ONE person send the URL to the list? (Otherwise, 35 people are going to send it to me off line) Thanks a bunch, Michael I stand by all the misstatements that I've made. ...George W. Bush to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93 -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hupe Web site address
Hello Michael, The Hupes have http://lunarrock.com/ A nice educational site focused around NWA482. Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:11 PM To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Subject: [meteorite-list] Hupe Web site address Yo, The Hupes DO have a web site, don't they? I tried to look them upat Meteorite Exchange and they weren't listed Can ONE person send the URL to the list? (Otherwise, 35 peopleare going to send it to me off line) Thanks a bunch, Michael"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." ...George W. Bush to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93--Worth Seeing:- Earth at night from satellite:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg- Interactive Lady Liberty:http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm- Earth - variety of choices:http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html--Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/MeteorCraterRimL.html--Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html--Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at:http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chat Room Open
Hello All, Feel free to visit the chatroom http://www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html Mark BostickPlease visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
[meteorite-list] ebay and website
Hi there list.I have updated my website with 6 new specimens, NWA 1698,GUJBA, MONUMENT DRAW,GIBEON, CANYON DIABLO,and DALGARANGA.I also put a new pick of DEVIL PEAK.Also I added 4 new items to my ebay page.You can go there by clicking on the ebay link on the end of this email down by my signature.Have a great weekend all. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteoites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
