[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 08, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter
Hello Sabrina, This is indeed great news. My personal prayers will continue for Walter's ongoing rapid recovery to full health. Gary K. Foote __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - February 2007
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[meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite
HI everyone ..look what I got! http://tinyurl.com/2pjngj enjoy! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite
WOW Dave! that seems to be a complete euhedral crystal Is that a spinel, magnetite, chromite? Regardless perfect crystal growth like this in a meteorite is ultrarare. Is this one of the pyroxene bearing pallasites? Inquiring minds. Really interesting piece, Congratulations. Elton --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI everyone ..look what I got! http://tinyurl.com/2pjngj __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
Dear listees, please find attached a recent press release from THE HINDU news press. The report of the incident mentiones a crater but no sound and light phenomena before the blast. To me it rather seems that a mislead Pakistani (or Indian) artillery shell is the culprit but I'am open to other opinions. Suspected meteorite kills two nomads Hindu - Chennai,India 8 (PTI): A suspected meteorite claimed the lives of two nomads and injured five others today at Banchola village in Rajasthan's Bundi district, police said. ... http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200702081568.htm Cheers Svend Buhl www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - EBAY Auctions ending
Good Morning Meteorite Lovers I have auctions ending tonight catchafallingstar.com. Most started at 99 Cents!!!: http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=catchafallingstar.com Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm Thanks for looking Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India - German article
Hello List, here is an German article about the killer ;) http://onnachrichten.t-online.de/c/10/32/12/96/10321296.html Best greetings, Carsten. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: 07.02.2007 15:33 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite
Boy, that one sure resembles Admire. Mike Farmer --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI everyone ..look what I got! http://tinyurl.com/2pjngj enjoy! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite
It's wonderful! Rob Elliott has lent it to BIMS for a science fair that Mark I are doing later this month. I'm the one in the lovely purple gloves and for some reason appear to be staring down my nose at the camera. Lots of sulphide veins in it - apparently this is unique amongst pallasites. I was due to to go the the NHM in London today to chat to Caroline about it but the weather's freaked the trains out here... ho hum! ciao d. ---Original Message--- From: Michael Farmer Date: 02/08/07 15:23:21 To: Dave Harris; metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite Boy, that one sure resembles Admire. Mike Farmer --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI everyone ..look what I got! http://tinyurl.com/2pjngj enjoy! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list IMSTP.gif Description: GIF image __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Yet another meteorwrong in the news
With photo. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17825098BRD=1719PAG=461dept_id=25271rfi=6 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite
Not mine - Rob Elliott's - it's on loan for a show, but yep - that xl took a lot of looking at too - personally I think it is terrestrial. Under the scope the xl is embedded in the loose, almost Caliche type weathering on the very crust - it would need XRDing to check it out but I think it is a pyrite xl -silvery and not, as far as we can tell transparent/transclucent It is far out - what a slice of heaven I tell you! ---Original Message--- From: Mr EMan Date: 02/08/07 13:29:12 To: Dave Harris; metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite WOW Dave! that seems to be a complete euhedral crystal Is that a spinel, magnetite, chromite? Regardless perfect crystal growth like this in a meteorite is ultrarare. Is this one of the pyroxene bearing pallasites? Inquiring minds. Really interesting piece, Congratulations. Elton --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI everyone ..look what I got! http://tinyurl.com/2pjngj IMSTP.gif Description: GIF image __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Suspected Meteorite Kills Two Nomads in India
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200702081568.htm Suspected meteorite kills two nomads The Hindu (India) February 8, 2007 Jaipur, Feb. 8 (PTI): A suspected meteorite claimed the lives of two nomads and injured five others today at Banchola village in Rajasthan's Bundi district, police said. It was a blast-like situation and a crater was formed on the earth, they said. According to fellow nomads or Banjaras, the victims selling utensils in exchange of old clothes, were sitting in a field when an 'ulkapind' (unknown flying object) hit them around 0930 hours. The injured were admitted to hospital, police said. Senior police and administrative officials have rushed to the spot to ascertain the exact cause of the incident, they said adding a team from forensic science laboratory has also been called. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Couple Thinks Meteorite Landed Near Home in Illinois
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17825098BRD=1719PAG=461dept_id=25271rfi=6 Couple thinks meteorite landed near home By NICK LUCCHESI The Telegraph (Illinois) February 8, 2007 MEADOWBROOK - An unexpected meteor shot across Midwestern skylines Sunday night, and a retired couple thinks part of it landed here, something astronomers say is entirely possible. I just turned my head and looked out the window, and I saw this bright ball of fire come down, said Bobbie Turner, who lives in the 100 block of West Roosevelt Drive in Meadowbrook. I didn't see it hit the ground, but I saw smoke and red flame coming from it. About 10 a.m. Monday, Turner's husband, Jim Turner, searched an adjacent cornfield, which is shorn of vegetation for the winter and essentially rock-free. Turner picked up rock-shaped objects that appeared ordinary, but he took them inside his garage, anyway. Upon further inspection, the Vietnam and Iraq war veteran did not know what to make of the rocks. I first took it out of the field, and it had a little sparkle to it, Turner said Wednesday. A researcher at Washington University's McDonnell Center for the Space Sciences describes most meteorites as having a fusion crust, which is a glassy appearance caused by heat in the atmosphere when the meteor is descending to Earth. Most meteorites also have an aerodynamic shape. If it didn't have those (characteristics), I would strongly suspect that it isn't a meteorite, said Randy Korotev, a research professor at the St. Louis-based campus. Most stop glowing miles above the Earth. Korotev said the only sure way to determine whether the rocks are meteorites is by analyzing their chemistry. Bruce Wilking, a professor of astronomy at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, said the celestial event over the weekend was not a meteor shower and totally unexpected by the scientific community. There are meteorites and meteor wrongs, Wilking said, tongue-in-cheek, in response to the number of people who claim to find meteors in yards and fields. The Turners said they plan to take their rock to get analyzed soon. I don't know if it is or if it isn't, but I would like to know, Jim Turner said Wednesday. Korotev said the question about where the meteor landed persists. Everybody wants to know where it landed, but we don't know, he said. Something like this could be the size of a softball or smaller but still create a huge amount of light. News reports detailed meteor sightings that lit up the sky about 8 p.m. Sunday in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and Wisconsin. If the rocks do turn out to be of the space variety, the Turners have a few choices, one of which could land them some extra cash. My son (Mike Turner) said it could be our lottery ticket, Jim Turner said. Wilking agreed, but also said it could be used for research. It's very important scientifically, if this really turns out to be a meteorite, he said. There are people locally and nationally that would like to study it. But Wilking said, If the person is an entrepreneurial sort, they could probably sell it on eBay. The Associated Press contributed some information for this article. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
There's no proof of existence of normal and unnormal auctions. The principle of auction is very clear and internationally accepted, any auction is per definitionem a special form of finding out the market values of things. The final publication of auction results as confirmation of this value is a main aspect of this principle. It is transparency which makes the mechanism function. Just my 1 Euro ;-) Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. Also if someone has called in a bid, the auctioneer just starts with that price and if he gets more, then the other bidder who bid higher wins the item. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com _ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095tcode=wlmtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com _ Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095tcode=wlmtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite
As far as I'm concerned, that is not a pyrite crystal, it has the wrong form for pyrite. But it is the right form for a spinel group mineral (magnetite, spinel, chromite, ...). Magnetite is also a common mineral. Here in Sweden I wouldn't be surprised by finding a small crystal like that in weathered rocks, magnetite is very common in granites and other igneous rocks and very resistant against weathering. As I have no knowledge of the geological conditions where this pallasite was found I can't say anything about how probably it is a terrestrial crystal or not. A simple test is to use a weak magnet to see if it is magnetite. But I wouldn't do it on somebody else's meteorite. Nice pictures and a very interesting pallasite. :-) /Göran Dave Harris wrote: Not mine - Rob Elliott's - it's on loan for a show, but yep - that xl took a lot of looking at too - personally I think it is terrestrial. Under the 'scope the xl is embedded in the loose, almost Caliche type weathering on the very crust - it would need XRDing to check it out but I think it is a pyrite xl -silvery and not, as far as we can tell transparent/transclucent It is far out - what a slice of heaven I tell you! /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Mr EMan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Date:*/ 02/08/07 13:29:12 /*To:*/ Dave Harris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; metlist mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com /*Subject:*/ Re: [meteorite-list] the hambledon pallasite WOW Dave! that seems to be a complete euhedral crystal Is that a spinel, magnetite, chromite? Regardless perfect crystal growth like this in a meteorite is ultrarare. Is this one of the pyroxene bearing pallasites? Inquiring minds. Really interesting piece, Congratulations. Elton --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI everyone ..look what I got! http://tinyurl.com/2pjngj http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=409lang=9 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTIONS
At our club auctions, we take a break in the middle to allow those wanting to leave to check out early. We have two people cross-checking winning bids and accepting payment while another member volunteer picks up the items won. We don't allow people to pick up their own items because sometimes they accidentally pick up someone else's as well. After the auction, we keep everyone (bidders and by-standers) away from the items by forming a line away from the auction tables so there's no confusion at the end. After years of upset, hurt feelings and stolen items, these precautions have helped tremendously. Anita -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Strope Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:41 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to prices much may have been realized in one of the big auction houses. Just my two cents... Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com _ Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095tcod e=wlmtagline __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi once more, I don't agree with this position simply because isn't that why one goes to an auction? Too deal and get a deal. So if you display the prices it should not matter at all. Actually I would think, what a steal people got purchasing the meteorites for a low price and if I look for a specific one, check the next time there is an auction and if it is offered, see if I couldn't win it at a low price too. Auction prices don't reflect the true market values. I am sure everyone knows that! Regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:57:49 -0500 I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Dear List, Michael Blood's position is well known, and I wouldn't even dream of trying to change his mind! However, I can't imagine why the rest of us wouldn't want to have every bit of available information when making buying or selling decisions. Do some of you believe that we aren't smart enough to digest auction prices on our own? Whether you think auction prices are relevant to price trends or not, is beside the point. We should all have equal opportunity to make up our own minds!! Anything less is censorship and very condescending to boot! Sincerely, Mike Fowler Chicago--ebay starsandrocks I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Legal?? Lang AUCTION RESULTS
Hello Matthias, Jim, Dirk and List, I agree with Matthias that the Lang auction results should be posted to this List since such blatant acts of falsely reported stolen lots were reported. That, and the many ending hammer prices compared to what absentee bidders were told was their winning bids. This is no time to stick our heads in the sand and ignore this. A black eye has been placed upon the meteorite collecting world like no other time. We need to expose it for all it is. If this is left unchecked, old collectors will drop and new collectors will go collect something else like Teletubbies or whatever. Dirk brings up a very good question, since the Lang's held a live public auction, are they licensed? A couple people have stated in the last 12 hours that there was some confusion during the Lang auction, which makes sense if one were to hold a public auction without proper and ethical training. Lets not get led astray from the point of this entire thread, Allan and Iris Lang told Achim that his three lots he won at their auction were stolen so he was out of luck. Amazingly, the very same day Peter Marmet (see his post 2-7-2007) was told he won two of those stolen auctions and one other well respected collector was told he won the third stolen item. There is NO confusion there!! Pretty simple, do not sugar coat it or change it to another topic. Going back to posting final auction prices to this List, I was at first all for keeping them quiet for the same perceived market pricing reason. I had 21 items in the Blood auction which, as in any meteorite show auction, sold for about half of their regular retail prices. I do not mind these prices being posted here for all to see, I feel the auction items are basically a give back to collectors for purchases throughout the year. Everyone knows that the results are emailed back and forth to each other anyway. I feel the Lang auction results need to be posted so the absentee bidders can compare their winning bids against the hammer price, which is the sale price! I remember List members stating many times in the past they want to know of such acts perpetrated by anyone. If we are to ignore this, we are all to blame for getting ripped off or cheated!! Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange Lights Spotted Over The Carolinas
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272611461.shtml Carolina UFO Sightings Continue: Strange Lights Spotted Again By Gene Byrd National Ledger February 8, 2007 A few weeks ago, strange blue lights filled the skies over Carolina and the sightings caused a frenzy of calls and reports to local authorities. There was no official explanation but at the time one report claimed the color could be an indication of the composition of the meteors streaking across the sky. Now strange lights are back. WXII-12 is reporting that there have been strange reports about flying objects in the skies -- and some people think they're UFOs. The online report asks - are the makings of a Sci-Fi movie happening in the Piedmont-Triad? This time a Kernersville man said he captured an object on his cell phone. According to the TV channel's details, strange sightings have been reported in a number of locations in recent days. The National Weather Service said it has seen nothing out of the ordinary on its radar, and the Appalachian State University Observatory said it was probably a bolide -- a fireball-like meteor that frequently enters the earth's atmosphere but is rarely seen. They cite Jamarus Crews said he was sitting in his Farmwood Garden Apartment when he saw something in the sky. It had lots of lights and made no noise, he said. Wilkes County's Charles Miller said he also caught an image of an object. From the first time I saw it until it was gone, it was 45 seconds and it crossed the entire sky, he told WXII 12's Nicole Ducouer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Legal?? Lang AUCTION RESULTS
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:10:29 -0500, you wrote: heads in the sand and ignore this. A black eye has been placed upon the meteorite collecting world like no other time. We need to expose it for all it is. If this is left unchecked, old collectors will drop and new collectors will go collect something else like Teletubbies or whatever. The oceans will boil! The mountains will cruble into the sea, which is, as I mentioned, boiling! (All kidding aside, even though I didn't do any absentee bidding on this, I, too, would like to see which was the cause of the problems-- incompitence or fraud). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Auctions are where you would hope to get bargains, and not pay market value. Isn't Ebay an auction? Cheers, Pete From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:39:25 +0100 Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction hammer prices.
I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. #1 Andover $840.00 #2 Bandong NO SALE #3 Banten $390.00 #4 Benguerir NO SALE #5 Bilanga $2200.00 #6 Bjormole Sold to Achim Karl in room $260.00 #7 Camel Donga $7500.00 #8 Cangus de Onis $255.00 #9 Canyon Diablo $3000 #10 Cayon Diablo $2700 #11 Carbo $1500.00 #12 Cold Bokkeveld $325.00 #13 Danville $200 #14 Djati Pengilon NO SALE #15 Ensisheim $515 #16 Georgetown $695 #17 Gibeon $5100 #18 Gibeon NO SALE #19 Gorlovka, sold to Achim in room $160.00 #20 Grayton $650 #21 Harleton $400 #22 Hugoton $450 #23 Hvittis NO SALE #24 Ibitira $2200 #25 Jelica $255 #26 Jilin NO SALE #27 Juvinas sold to myself $2600.00 #28 Kapoeta (I do not have information on this piece) #29 Khohar sold to Achim in room $495 #30 Knyahinya $510.00. #31 La Criolla $4500 #32 LE TEilleul sold to Achim in room $800.00 #33 Leedey $6200.00 #34 Luotolax sold to Achim in room $750.00 #35 Marilia $610 #36 Marion NO SALE #37 Marjalahti $2375 #38 Mighei $185 #39 Millbillillie $1100 #40 Mocs $420.00 #41 Modoc $7000 #42 Monroe NO SALE #43 Morristown $1150 #44 Mundrabilla $4825 #45 Nanjemoy $900 #46 NWA 032 NO SALE #47 Ourique $1100 #48 Pasamonte $910 #49 Peekskill $3825 #50 Peekskill cast $400 #51 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction hammer prices, part II
#51 Pultusk $4625 sold to Achim #52 Quenggouk $180 #53 Richardton $7500 #54 St Michel $450 #55 Sylacauga $1525 #56 Tenham $800 #57 Trenzano Sold to Achim in room $850 #58 Tuxtuac $750 #59 Udei Station NO SALE #60 Vernon County $255 #61 Villa Natamoros $950 #62 Warrenton $700 #63 Allende NO SALE #64 Beaver Creek $560 #65 Bensour $500 #66 Dhurmsala NO SALE #67 Drake Creek $715 #68 Farmington $300 #69 Juancheng NO SALE #70 Lixna $500 #71 Mundrabilla $780 #72 Morava $660 #73 Skhote-Alin Sold to myself in room $310 #74 Tatahouine $400 #75 Union County $220 #76 Wiluna $4000 The end. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction hammer prices.
Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi Peter, Yes, eBay is a GREAT place to get awesome bargains for anything from fragments all the way up to large museum quality specimens, from reputable dealers and collectors alike! Like other auctions, eBay does have its share of frauds to look out for! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Auctions are where you would hope to get bargains, and not pay market value. Isn't Ebay an auction? Cheers, Pete From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:39:25 +0100 Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang Auction hammer prices.
Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New dealer?
Has anyone had any dealings with Chuck Julian? His website is fallingstars.com and he is presently selling a Brahin on ebay; he is completely unknown to me, I've never seen anything offered by him before and I know nothing about him, the way he does business, or anything else. He says he was at Tucson. Please e-mail me privately. Thanks! Tracy Latimer _ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises
Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
All this discussion has convinced me that perhaps I have been looking at the posting of auction hammer prices incorrectly. I now SUPPORT the posting of the prices. However, I do feel that they should be posted by the people actually running the auction as an OFFICIAL record of the auction results. This should be done with the specifications of the auction lot as well for claification on the quality of the piece offered. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Auctions are where you would hope to get bargains, and not pay market value. Isn't Ebay an auction? Cheers, Pete From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:39:25 +0100 Hi Jim, list, I disagree. What concerns all important international auction houses the public posting of auction results is a matter of course. Auction prices are of course no indication of true market values: they a r e definitely a certain manifestation of market values themselves. Regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises
Yes, that is a typo I made, the Hanmmer on the Khohar was $495.00 and Achim did not win it, my mistake, I was in a hurry to get the list out. Mike --- Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Jim wrote All this discussion has convinced me that perhaps I have been looking at the posting of auction hammer prices incorrectly. I now SUPPORT the posting of the prices. However, I do feel that they should be posted by the people actually running the auction as an OFFICIAL record of the auction results. This should be done with the specifications of the auction lot as well for clarification on the quality of the piece offered. I agree with Jim. I understand the problems with posting prices. People seem to think the lowest price they ever see a meteorite sell is what it is worth, which is strange, as they understand the highest price is a fluke. So while I saw no problems in the past, I now think auction prices should be posted to keep things clear and honest. One can also ask, should my absentee bid be what I pay if I won, or should it be the next increment over the previous highest bid? Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang proxy bid?
First, let me state that I am not trying to throw more coal on this fire... I have a question for the people at the auction. I purchased Lixna Lot 70 for $500. I know for fact that the other bidder was absentee bidder Peter Marmet and his max bid was $450. In Lang's auction terms it states: The auctioneer will act as proxy for absentee bidders. Your bids will be increased only a needed to surpass the next-highest bid or the reserve up to your maximum stated amount. For example: The reserve on Lot XX is $1,000. You are bidder #1 and have placed an absentee bid in the amount of $2,000. Bidder #2 has entered a maximum bid of $1,100. As your proxy, the auctioneer will enter a bid of $1,125 (only increasing the amount as required to best the next-highest bid), and you become the high bidder. For bid increments it states: Up to $999, bidding will increase in $10 increments. So if the next highest bid was $450 and my bid was $500... I should have paid $460 correct? I didn't even think about it at the time because I was so happy to win this piece. Is this much to do about nothing and should I just be happy I got it? Or should I request a $40 refund? Not sure what to do... Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction - Chain of Events
Dear List Members, Achim Karl asked me to post an email he received today from Iris Lang: -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verschickt: Do., 8. Feb. 2007, 10:45 Thema: Tucson auction Dear Achim Karl, After the show ended, Allan took the room apart and finally found the missing meteorites. We had many absentee bids, and having two other people handling the auction besides ourselves created some confusions. Please give him a few days to get home and he will contact you as soon as possible. Best regards Iris Lang http://www.nyrockman.com Kostenlos: AOL eMail 2 GB Speicherplatz sowie erstklassiger Spam- und eMail Virenschutz. Sichern Sie sich Ihre persönliche eMail Adresse noch heute! Here is the chain of events of the Lang Auction: Saturday February 3, 2007 The Auction Monday February 5, 2007 The Act Part One - Achim Karl told by Allan and Iris Lang his three lots were stolen. Part Two - The same three stolen lots were sold to two different bidders for higher prices. Thursday February 8, 2007 The Cover-Up Achim receives email from Iris Lang claiming Allan found the stolen lots. Lets see, Achim won three lots, was told they were stolen when he went to pay for and take possession of them, these same three lots were then sold to two other bidders for higher prices, and then three days later, after this thread started, Achim receives an email stating Allan found the three lots. So Peter, how do the final hammer prices Mike posted to the List compare to what you were told you won the auctions for with your absentee bids of the stolen lots? It sounds to me like dirty hands trying to dig a deeper hole to bury this self-imposed mess! Quite the web that has been woven... Greg - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang Auction - Chain of Events
Sounds like somebody got caught with their hand in the cookie jar to me! It is interesting that all of the mistakes are in the dealers favor, talk about making every bloody nickel scream. I smell greed. Adam --- Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members, Achim Karl asked me to post an email he received today from Iris Lang: -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verschickt: Do., 8. Feb. 2007, 10:45 Thema: Tucson auction Dear Achim Karl, After the show ended, Allan took the room apart and finally found the missing meteorites. We had many absentee bids, and having two other people handling the auction besides ourselves created some confusions. Please give him a few days to get home and he will contact you as soon as possible. Best regards Iris Lang http://www.nyrockman.com Kostenlos: AOL eMail 2 GB Speicherplatz sowie erstklassiger Spam- und eMail Virenschutz. Sichern Sie sich Ihre persönliche eMail Adresse noch heute! Here is the chain of events of the Lang Auction: Saturday February 3, 2007 The Auction Monday February 5, 2007 The Act Part One - Achim Karl told by Allan and Iris Lang his three lots were stolen. Part Two - The same three stolen lots were sold to two different bidders for higher prices. Thursday February 8, 2007 The Cover-Up Achim receives email from Iris Lang claiming Allan found the stolen lots. Lets see, Achim won three lots, was told they were stolen when he went to pay for and take possession of them, these same three lots were then sold to two other bidders for higher prices, and then three days later, after this thread started, Achim receives an email stating Allan found the three lots. So Peter, how do the final hammer prices Mike posted to the List compare to what you were told you won the auctions for with your absentee bids of the stolen lots? It sounds to me like dirty hands trying to dig a deeper hole to bury this self-imposed mess! Quite the web that has been woven... Greg - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang proxy bid?
Hello Mike, If your statement is an accurate chain of events, then fraud has been committed! I would not be happy to have been ripped off, why would anyone else? I would demand my money back and so should anyone else who has been duped by any illegal acts. Like I said in a previous email, if you do nothing now, you deserve to be ripped off or cheated. It is up to those who know to speak now and expose any wrong doing. I would like to personally thank Achim and Peter for bringing this to light and not, ...being happy with it. I ask that anyone who has anything to say, send a reply to the List and not to me personally, as I also wish to be excluded from posting other people's comments, etc. from here on out. Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lang proxy bid? First, let me state that I am not trying to throw more coal on this fire... I have a question for the people at the auction. I purchased Lixna Lot 70 for $500. I know for fact that the other bidder was absentee bidder Peter Marmet and his max bid was $450. In Lang's auction terms it states: The auctioneer will act as proxy for absentee bidders. Your bids will be increased only a needed to surpass the next-highest bid or the reserve up to your maximum stated amount. For example: The reserve on Lot XX is $1,000. You are bidder #1 and have placed an absentee bid in the amount of $2,000. Bidder #2 has entered a maximum bid of $1,100. As your proxy, the auctioneer will enter a bid of $1,125 (only increasing the amount as required to best the next-highest bid), and you become the high bidder. For bid increments it states: Up to $999, bidding will increase in $10 increments. So if the next highest bid was $450 and my bid was $500... I should have paid $460 correct? I didn't even think about it at the time because I was so happy to win this piece. Is this much to do about nothing and should I just be happy I got it? Or should I request a $40 refund? Not sure what to do... Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
Hi, The Bundi District is is the SE portion of Rajasthan State, more than 200 miles from the Pakistani border. It is more than 200 miles south of New Dehli, and far, far from Jammu and Kashmir, so the stray artillery shell is unlikely, at least in the context of any military conflict. Doesn't mean it's a meteorite, though... Unlikely, but not impossible, I suppose. To check the location just go to Google Maps and enter Bundi Rajasthan India and you're there. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India Dear listees, please find attached a recent press release from THE HINDU news press. The report of the incident mentiones a crater but no sound and light phenomena before the blast. To me it rather seems that a mislead Pakistani (or Indian) artillery shell is the culprit but I'am open to other opinions. Suspected meteorite kills two nomads Hindu - Chennai,India 8 (PTI): A suspected meteorite claimed the lives of two nomads and injured five others today at Banchola village in Rajasthan's Bundi district, police said. ... http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200702081568.htm Cheers Svend Buhl www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang Auction
Dear Listees: I thought it might be helpful to mention that Allan and Iris Lang are on their way home from the 2007 Tucson show, and probably cannot to reply to posts regarding the auction at this time. Since Allan has been a respected buyer and seller of meteorites for more than thirty years, it might be a good idea for anyone with a legitimate question about the auction to give him the benefit of the doubt and contact him directly rather than speculating on the M-List. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
Hi Sterling, others, you are correct. I had in mind other similar incidents where people took apart ordnance in order to sell the metal for scrap. Please view this article for a similar report from the Bathinda District further north. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/38603093.cms Most of these accidents have in common that there is no one left to report about the chain of actions that lead to the blast. Best regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India Hi, The Bundi District is is the SE portion of Rajasthan State, more than 200 miles from the Pakistani border. It is more than 200 miles south of New Dehli, and far, far from Jammu and Kashmir, so the stray artillery shell is unlikely, at least in the context of any military conflict. Doesn't mean it's a meteorite, though... Unlikely, but not impossible, I suppose. To check the location just go to Google Maps and enter Bundi Rajasthan India and you're there. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India Dear listees, please find attached a recent press release from THE HINDU news press. The report of the incident mentiones a crater but no sound and light phenomena before the blast. To me it rather seems that a mislead Pakistani (or Indian) artillery shell is the culprit but I'am open to other opinions. Suspected meteorite kills two nomads Hindu - Chennai,India 8 (PTI): A suspected meteorite claimed the lives of two nomads and injured five others today at Banchola village in Rajasthan's Bundi district, police said. ... http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200702081568.htm Cheers Svend Buhl www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
Hi, List, I think Svend has hit on the most likely explanation for this incident. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Dr. Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India Hi Sterling, others, you are correct. I had in mind other similar incidents where people took apart ordnance in order to sell the metal for scrap. Please view this article for a similar report from the Bathinda District further north. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/38603093.cms Most of these accidents have in common that there is no one left to report about the chain of actions that lead to the blast. Best regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India Hi, The Bundi District is is the SE portion of Rajasthan State, more than 200 miles from the Pakistani border. It is more than 200 miles south of New Dehli, and far, far from Jammu and Kashmir, so the stray artillery shell is unlikely, at least in the context of any military conflict. Doesn't mean it's a meteorite, though... Unlikely, but not impossible, I suppose. To check the location just go to Google Maps and enter Bundi Rajasthan India and you're there. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India Dear listees, please find attached a recent press release from THE HINDU news press. The report of the incident mentiones a crater but no sound and light phenomena before the blast. To me it rather seems that a mislead Pakistani (or Indian) artillery shell is the culprit but I'am open to other opinions. Suspected meteorite kills two nomads Hindu - Chennai,India 8 (PTI): A suspected meteorite claimed the lives of two nomads and injured five others today at Banchola village in Rajasthan's Bundi district, police said. ... http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200702081568.htm Cheers Svend Buhl www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang
Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you are for being willing to take care of this for us all. It will make the final buy outs go twice as quickly, as well. I also read that people are increasingly wanting auction prices listed and even show dealers are chiming in in favor of this (at least in one instance - haven't been able to read all posts, as mentioned - and I do see that as another appropriate list topic) and I am, therefore, reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past has been regarding the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I will make a decision in the next day or two and, if in favor of posting prices, will do so via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning in favor of doing so, but if I do, the list will remain posted for like 30 days, not all year. I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all dealers on this issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me directly via email with POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so that I read your opinion immediately. While I am not stating I will automatically go with the majority opinion on this, it will be the major determining factor in making up my mind on this particular issue - and there is no need for this particular topic to be bantered about on the list. As for all other details (timing of sellers being paid, buyers' credit card processing, absentee bidders being notified, etc) will be handled one on one, as per announcements prior to the auction - not via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are not appropriate topics. Best wishes to all, Michael (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood. If you do not choose to use my first name it is then appropriate to place Mr. in front of my family name. We are not raw recruits in the military nor High School jerks - though some times I wonder about the latter) on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to depresses the prices in my opinion. For example, in a normal auction if I buy item number 10 out of 200 items offered and want to go home, then I just check out, pay and go home. At at least one Tucson auction that I attended, I would have to wait until the end of the auction to pay and then pay in bidder number order. So instead of going home at 8:00 when I am done buying I have to wait until until all bidding on all items is completed before I can go home which could be well after midnight. This makes it so that people don't tend to bid unless they REALLY, REALLY want the item. So prices are certainly not representative to
Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS -MR. Blood and MR Lang
I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100- to be your check out person but I am sure you can find some intelligent college student at the U of A that would be happy to do the service for a Hundred Bucks and free beer. (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of course). Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you are for being willing to take care of this for us all. It will make the final buy outs go twice as quickly, as well. I also read that people are increasingly wanting auction prices listed and even show dealers are chiming in in favor of this (at least in one instance - haven't been able to read all posts, as mentioned - and I do see that as another appropriate list topic) and I am, therefore, reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past has been regarding the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I will make a decision in the next day or two and, if in favor of posting prices, will do so via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning in favor of doing so, but if I do, the list will remain posted for like 30 days, not all year. I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all dealers on this issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me directly via email with POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so that I read your opinion immediately. While I am not stating I will automatically go with the majority opinion on this, it will be the major determining factor in making up my mind on this particular issue - and there is no need for this particular topic to be bantered about on the list. As for all other details (timing of sellers being paid, buyers' credit card processing, absentee bidders being notified, etc) will be handled one on one, as per announcements prior to the auction - not via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are not appropriate topics. Best wishes to all, Michael (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood. If you do not choose to use my first name it is then appropriate to place Mr. in front of my family name. We are not raw recruits in the military nor High School jerks - though some times I wonder about the latter) on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you need to attend an auction in Denver or Tucson before reserving judgement. Some of them are very informal and not like a normal auction situation. In at least one auction that I attended, the procecure is unlike a normal auction in such a way that tends to
[meteorite-list] macovich to come out of semi-retirement?
the macovich auction---where there was always staff to accommodate immediate payment property pick-up---is returning to tucson next year. On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Jim Strope wrote: I did NOT volunteer to offer my services for $100- to be your check out person but I am sure you can find some intelligent college student at the U of A that would be happy to do the service for a Hundred Bucks and free beer. (Beer to be consumed after the auction, of course). Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi All, Just got back from the big one. Haven't come close to reading all my 473 emails, but I am more convinced than ever that the lack of an additional check out person at my auction is, indeed, a situation in need of correcting. My plan for this year fell through at the last minute but I am now more determined than ever to correct this problem once and for all. Imagine my delight in hearing Jim Strope is willing to perform that duty for only $100! Yippie! You're hired, Jim! Please, everyone, let Jim know how grateful you are for being willing to take care of this for us all. It will make the final buy outs go twice as quickly, as well. I also read that people are increasingly wanting auction prices listed and even show dealers are chiming in in favor of this (at least in one instance - haven't been able to read all posts, as mentioned - and I do see that as another appropriate list topic) and I am, therefore, reconsidering this, as my major issue in the past has been regarding the feelings of the show dealers on this issue. I will make a decision in the next day or two and, if in favor of posting prices, will do so via the on-line catalog. I am currently leaning in favor of doing so, but if I do, the list will remain posted for like 30 days, not all year. I would like to hear PRIVATELY from any and all dealers on this issue in the next 24 hrs. Please contact me directly via email with POSTING AUCTION PRICES in the subject box so that I read your opinion immediately. While I am not stating I will automatically go with the majority opinion on this, it will be the major determining factor in making up my mind on this particular issue - and there is no need for this particular topic to be bantered about on the list. As for all other details (timing of sellers being paid, buyers' credit card processing, absentee bidders being notified, etc) will be handled one on one, as per announcements prior to the auction - not via the Meteorite List newsletter where these are not appropriate topics. Best wishes to all, Michael (PS: My name is not Blood, it is Michael Blood. If you do not choose to use my first name it is then appropriate to place Mr. in front of my family name. We are not raw recruits in the military nor High School jerks - though some times I wonder about the latter) on 2/8/07 8:41 AM, Jim Strope at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, a lack of staff results in less than optimum customer service. Perhaps spending an extra $100- to hire someone to check out bidders who want to leave would have a positive impact on the auction results as a whole. I personally know of at least two collectors who refused to attend an auction because of lack of customer service. I also personally know of one collector who left without paying because he got tired of waiting. Hopefully, next year will be a more pleasant experience. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Hi Jim and All, I also go to an auction and it is the same as you describe. I think if you have to wait until all the auction is done, it is simply because there isn't enough staff. At the auction I attend, there is two auctioneers that take turns and then about three people helping with showing, putting the items on the back table and as you wrote, getting the items and handing them to the winner after his purchase. With best regards, Moni From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AUCTION RESULTS - Blood and Lang Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:52:15 -0500 While I agree with you in principle for big professional auction houses, you
Re: [meteorite-list] Fraud or Stolen meteorites in Tucson ???
I agree with you whole-heatedly, Greg. If, there is any fraud going on in this situation I think it is imperative that it be brought to light. Not everyone likes to look at dirty laundry, but circumstances like this can affect a great number of people. Best, John At 08:24 PM 2/7/2007, Greg Hupe wrote: Hello Peter, Mike and List Members, In light of what has been said publicly and privately regarding the stolen meteorites and Allan and Iris Lang's meteorite auction, lets examine this very carefully. Mike Farmer earlier today announced that the three meteorites which Achim Karl bid on and won at the live Lang auction on Saturday, February 3rd were stolen. Mike did this in order to help the Lang's and Achim so we, as a community, could try to find the described meteorite specimens and the culprits who perpetrated the theft. The Monday after the auction (two days ago), Achim went to pay for and take possession of the three lots he won and was told in front of several well known and respected List and IMCA Member witnesses by Allan and Iris Lang that the three auctions he won were stolen. These auctions were; Bjurbole Lot #6 14.89 grams with old museum labels, Gorlovka Lot # 19 2.79 grams with old museum labels and Luotolax Lot # 34 3.2 grams. Peter Marmet then posted to the List an email he received from Iris Lang on Monday (see below) that he won four auctions. Two of these listed are the very same auction specimens that Achim was told the same day in front of the witnesses were stolen. I was told the third stolen specimen was sold to another very well respected collector for more than twice the hammer price it sold for at the live auction. How can they be stolen and then re-sold on the same day?? To clear up any rumors or otherwise, I think it is in the best interest of the entire meteorite collecting community to know the final hammer price of the three stolen lots Achim won. Since this was a live auction similar to Michael Blood's, all who attended would know of any absentee bidding and the final hammer price whether the bidder was there in person or an absentee bidder. I think it would also be a good idea for Peter and the other winner to speak up here in public because it sounds to me like they have been unknowingly taken advantage of and should announce any wrong doing. This is no time to be quiet by what looks like a disgusting abuse of trust and a gross display of greed! Greg - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen meteorites in Tucson ??? WHAT??? This is the e-mail that I got from Iris Lang on Monday: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: Dear Peter Marmet, You won the following bids at the Tucson auction: Lot # 6 Bjurbole 14.89 grams for $ Lot # 34 Luotolax 3.2 grams for $ Lot # 38 Mighei 0.69 grams for $ Lot # 52 Quenggouk 2.9 grams for $ Allan will be home within a week. Please e-mail him to make arrangments for payment. You can pay by credit card or check. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang http://www.nyrockman.com Michael Farmer wrote: I want to inform the list about 3 stolen meteorite from the Al Lang Auction in Tucson. Achim Karl was the high bidder on 3 meteorites which were stolen from the display cases just after the auction. They are: Bjurbole, Lot #6 14.89 grams with old museum labels. Gorlovka, Lot # 19 2.79 grams with old museum labels. and Luotolax, Lot # 34. 3.2 grams. These are rare items which the photos can be seen on Al Langs website www.nyrockman.com/tucson-auction-2007.htm Anyone seeing these pieces for sale or who has any inoformation can contact myself or Achim Karl (the rightful owner) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many other meteorites were also stolen in Tucson, Mohammed again lost around 50-60 kilos of complete stones, and Karl Sprich from South Africa lost many kilos of Gibeon slices and a large Campo del Cielo with a natural hole. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang proxy bid?
Mike and List, Since I don't have a copy of the Lang's Auction Terms available to me, I'll have to assume that your statement is correct. If that is the case, and there was no other bid after Peter Marmet's bid of $450, then you should have paid $460, not $500. You should also receive a refund for the difference ( $40 ) but I don't think you should simply request it. In this situation I think you should demand a refund and do so very loudly. Absentee bidding is one more way that bidders in an auction can be defrauded. I'm starting to wonder if there are more fleeced sheep out there. Best, John At 11:46 AM 2/8/2007, Mike Bandli wrote: First, let me state that I am not trying to throw more coal on this fire... I have a question for the people at the auction. I purchased Lixna Lot 70 for $500. I know for fact that the other bidder was absentee bidder Peter Marmet and his max bid was $450. In Lang's auction terms it states: The auctioneer will act as proxy for absentee bidders. Your bids will be increased only a needed to surpass the next-highest bid or the reserve up to your maximum stated amount. For example: The reserve on Lot XX is $1,000. You are bidder #1 and have placed an absentee bid in the amount of $2,000. Bidder #2 has entered a maximum bid of $1,100. As your proxy, the auctioneer will enter a bid of $1,125 (only increasing the amount as required to best the next-highest bid), and you become the high bidder. For bid increments it states: Up to $999, bidding will increase in $10 increments. So if the next highest bid was $450 and my bid was $500... I should have paid $460 correct? I didn't even think about it at the time because I was so happy to win this piece. Is this much to do about nothing and should I just be happy I got it? Or should I request a $40 refund? Not sure what to do... Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises
Hi List Thank you Mike for posting the prices. Zelimir's response highlights the reason why this information should be public. Absentee bidders and absentee sellers are at the mercy of the auctioneer and if the auctioneer is not honest--or made an honest mistake--then the absentee parties can't know. I don't agree with Greg that everyone knows prices. I am an absentee seller in the Blood auction and I don't have a clue what happened. I trust Michael, so I am not worried--but there is more. There is a business reason that runs to the advantage of the auctioneer to keep the prices secret. If consigners don't realize that items sell for a fraction of normal prices, then they will be more likely to consign items to the next auction. If they think they will get very little, they won't. For the protection of buyers and sellers, the prices should be posted. Eric Twelker Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction
Geoff wrote : Dear Listees: I thought it might be helpful to mention that Allan and Iris Lang are on their way home from the 2007 Tucson show, and probably cannot to reply to posts regarding the auction at this time. Since Allan has been a respected buyer and seller of meteorites for more than thirty years, it might be a good idea for anyone with a legitimate question about the auction to give him the benefit of the doubt and contact him directly rather than speculating on the M-List. Absolutely Geoff, Anybody at the auction knew about the confusion the auctioneers had with the absentee bids. If you weren't at the auction then you shouldn't suspect or suggest there was any foul play ( Leave stuff like that for the idiot illusionist from Austin, Texas ). Doesn't make much sense either. The Langs did tremendously well with their auction, Does it make any sense that they would lie about a theft to make a few hundred bucks? No, it doesnt. I have nothing but empathy for the Langs regarding this matter. If you weren't at the auction then you really have no business making any accusations. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lang Auction
U, Bob, unless you are a complete retard, then these emails are as telling as it gets. Give me a break already. The simple fact that the pieces were reported as stolen and denied to the rightful owner who was the high bidder in the room and the hammer price closed on his last bid, then sold to other people for more money, then today reported as found. If you need help understanding this, then you are dumber than I thought. The police were involved, as well as the show owner at the Westward Look. There are many things going on with other people that are not public. How dare you tell people who placed their bids as absentee bidders to mind their own business! That is above the pale. They placed their bids, which are binding contracts, and it seems that virtually all of them were either screwed out of their pieces, or overcharged. What more can be said. Mike Farmer --- Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff wrote : Dear Listees: I thought it might be helpful to mention that Allan and Iris Lang are on their way home from the 2007 Tucson show, and probably cannot to reply to posts regarding the auction at this time. Since Allan has been a respected buyer and seller of meteorites for more than thirty years, it might be a good idea for anyone with a legitimate question about the auction to give him the benefit of the doubt and contact him directly rather than speculating on the M-List. Absolutely Geoff, Anybody at the auction knew about the confusion the auctioneers had with the absentee bids. If you weren't at the auction then you shouldn't suspect or suggest there was any foul play ( Leave stuff like that for the idiot illusionist from Austin, Texas ). Doesn't make much sense either. The Langs did tremendously well with their auction, Does it make any sense that they would lie about a theft to make a few hundred bucks? No, it doesnt. I have nothing but empathy for the Langs regarding this matter. If you weren't at the auction then you really have no business making any accusations. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction
Finally, a sensible voice amid the tantrum: Dear Listees: I thought it might be helpful to mention that Allan and Iris Lang are on their way home from the 2007 Tucson show, and probably cannot to reply to posts regarding the auction at this time. Since Allan has been a respected buyer and seller of meteorites for more than thirty years, it might be a good idea for anyone with a legitimate question about the auction to give him the benefit of the doubt and contact him directly rather than speculating on the M-List. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter
Hi Sabrina, We are glad to hear such good news and we wish Walter a good, speedy recovery. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. José and Charmaine Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter Hello Everyone, First, let me thank you for all of the e-mails. I have been printing them out so that Walter can see them when he is better. I just returned from the hospital. Walter had a tracheotomy today. He is still on the ventilator so he will not be able to talk but at least he will be able to form words better so maybe I can understand him easier. His kidney functioning is just a tad better than yesterday. For those of you who know the terms, his creatnine level went from 3.5 to 2.9. We want it to be 1.5 or lower. The chest tube was removed yesterday and the cervical collar was removed this morning. He is able to move better now. He is still very sedated due to agitation and pain. On Monday, I did get to talk to him and he could nod yes and no. I told him that I was e-mailing all of you and he nodded that he understood. As he gets better I am sure he will tell me or indicate what I should tell you but for now I just wanted him to know how many people are thinking and praying for him. Rebekah went to the pediatrician yesterday and got a clean bill of health. She goes to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow to check the pelvic fracture. She is moving around so well she tires herself out before she realizes. Please continue to keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I know that is what is making the difference in Walter's still being alive and in his recovery. Thank you for all that you have done! Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises
There is a business reason that runs to the advantage of the auctioneer to keep the prices secret. If consigners don't realize that items sell for a fraction of normal prices, then they will be more likely to consign items to the next auction. If they think they will get very little, they won't. For the protection of buyers and sellers, the prices should be posted. Eric Twelker If realized auction prices are abnormally low AND THEY ARE PUBLICIZED, then next year there will be fewer consigners, and MANY MORE BUYERS HOPING FOR A BARGAIN. As a result of the prices being publicized, a more normal result should be obtained the following year. I rest my case. Mike Fowler Chicago __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lang Auction
Sorry Mike, Im just not inclined to believe every single word I read on this list. FYI - On Sat 2/3/07 I was in one dealers room and asked him to see a individual of Dhofar 007 that was in his locked case. When I asked him, he said surprisingly Oh that's where it went. I thought that had been stolen. Excuse me for giving the Langs the benefit of doubt. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises
Hello Zelimir, the same here! Millbillillie went for 1100.00 USD, our maximum bid: 1300.00 USD!!! Sylacauga went for 1525.00 USD, our maximum bid: 2250.00 USD!! Tenham went for 800.00 USD, our maximum bid: 1200.00 USD!!! I made this bids for a friend of mine. We both are very frustrated! Cheers, Peter Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Mike, list, Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on that famous auction. While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own amazements. I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer prices. These are: Itemhammer ($) my bid ($) 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210 35 Marilia 610 710 52 Quenggouk180 260 60 Vernon Co266 260 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or ??? (badly missing something!) 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK (at least on my side) 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise. Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N° 29, Khohar. Here it is Dear Zelimir Gabelica, You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495 Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add shipping and handling cost. Best regards Iris Lang Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which is exactly my bid). If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ? I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so strong. Any thoughts? Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from being clear. Are there other cases ? Best, Zelimir A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a écrit : Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the hammer prices should release me from any more emails to me. Others in the room can compare prices they wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties and the Langs. Michael Farmer This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope. Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room, and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less painfull! Michael Farmer --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Farmer, This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for stepping up to the plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism from some. I'm sure those that are appreciative will out number those who oppose by at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal. Thanks Mike Fowler Mike Farmer wrote: I am going to make this as short as I can, I am still selling in my room in Tucson. I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale price. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] French Meteorite Hunters Article
With the permission of Frederic Beroud I have included his article on his first trip to Reg Acfer on a meteorite hunting trip. This article was first published in Meteorite Magazine in 2001. Thank you Frederic! http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/frenchhuntersontrack.html Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite chatroom anyone?
Dear List, Anyone up for the chatroom? http://meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Posting prices at Blood's auction.
A few years ago I suggested to Michael Blood that a collector/dealer buying a piece for resell may not want his buy price to become public knowledge. And that some people come to auctions just to watch prices. He liked my reasoning and withdrew posting that year and since, My bad. Howard Wu _ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDayocid=T001MSN30A0701 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson 2007 trip report
Dear List This has been our 12th trip to the Tucson show since 1992 looking for meteorite specimens for our collection and enjoying a break from the cold weather in Southern Alberta. We were able to get around to most of the dealer rooms and saw some incredible specimens. The oriented North Chile hexahedrite was the standout iron in this show. The images posted will no doubt be downloaded and drooled over for some time (for iron collectors). Canadian material was scarce but a special thanks to Blaine Reed for securing a specimen I have been trying to get for years. I'm still looking for a Bruderheim and St Robert individual and a slice of Vulcan and Peace River. If some one can help, please contact me off list. I have an image of the farmer who found Vulcan which I would be happy to pass on. This specimen was found approximately thirty miles from where we live. The two auctions were highlights as well because it gives collectors a fun experience in securing a favourite specimen as you bid against someone and the prices can be reasonable or high depending on collector interest. The end of the regular Blood Auction is a highlight as some material not advertised is auctioned. You never know what will turn up. As a side note, when you have to do something different for your better half, There is a nice town called Tubac about 1 hour south on I19,for art, pottery and wall sculptures. Just south of Casa Grande on I10 is some outlet shopping. Other attractions around Tucson have been noted by others on the list. Again, thanks to Robert and Heidi Haag, Al and Iris Lang, Blaine Reed, Mike Farmer, Comet Shop, Saint-Petersburg Pale. Lab, Hupe Collection, Marcin Cimala, Geoff Notkin and Doug for excellent specimens. When I look at the pieces in our collection, we will also remember the people who sold these pieces or had these specimens in their collections. Hope to see all of you again in 2008 and hopefully some new friends as well. Regards Don and Linda Hurkot This electronic message and any attached documents are intended only for the named addressee(s). This communication from TransCanada may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure and it must not be disclosed, copied, forwarded or distributed without authorization. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original message. Thank you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey
not many seen they not recognize the Armenian massacre they have perpetrated Matteo Nahabedian --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: After all, they are more civilized than I thought... - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Caillou Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey One reason would be that Turkey might in fact be the most dangerous country in the world to remove a meteorite from. Turkey has extreme laws about removal of ANYTHING! People I know say that at the airports there are warnings about removing even a pebble or sea shell. Jail sentances are handed down for people caught at the airport removing pieces of cultural treasures and I think that they might not like their newest meteorite fall leaving the country in a carry-on. I am going to pass on this one! Michael farmer --- Fred Caillou Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Bjorn and List, I agree with Bjorn, watching the pictures on the article there is no doubt that this is a stony meteorite and I would even risk a speculation that with the fair grey chips it looks like another LL6... OK, I know, one should wait until it is analysed of course! ;o)) Good luck to hunters who will make the trip to Turkey! Best wishes, Fred Lyon, France - Original Message - From: Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey List. Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot! There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?! Why no dicussion frenzy? Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?! I'm shure MIKE is?! Looking at the pictures in the article, I can definitly say is a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say... (The only doubt is how much carbon it contains - haha!) Any more information about this fall? Links? I'm shure there must be more stones on the ground... Personally I heard a bang from above at 15:25 in the afternoon on that very day here in Norway(?). I even wrote it down in my notebook to check it later. Forgot about it untill today! Other norwegians have noted strong meteors going north to south about this time it now seems... Regards, Bjørn Sørheim From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2007-02-03 03:41:09 CET To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite lands in Didim http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=477 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GPR equipment site
Dear List, I was sent an interesting link about GPR equipment. This is a bit out of the price range of most persons, but interesting none the less. Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.kellycodetectors.com/okm/future2005.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] need information
a classic moroccan meteorwrong Matteo --- A.V.B [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dear List members I need to your light, I bought 7 kg of NWA's individuals and broken directly from Morocco A specimen is different, no magnetic, please have look on pictures. http://lorenzo.lorenzo.free.fr/%e0%20identifier/DSC_0952.JPG http://lorenzo.lorenzo.free.fr/%e0%20identifier/DSC_0953.JPG http://lorenzo.lorenzo.free.fr/%e0%20identifier/DSC_0955.JPG http://lorenzo.lorenzo.free.fr/%e0%20identifier/DSC_0956.JPG What are you thinking about? Sincerely to all Arnaud Valz-Blin IMCA #2093 --- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. 06 13 24 09 84 --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos
Hello all, I have just updated the page with descriptions. I seperated each stone and gave a description of each, where I found it, why I think it is a meteorwrong, explanations. I hope this helps everyone, it is much easier to look at and see each one, I have also added a few more pictures, and will be doing so every few days. http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Enjoy, Happy Hunting, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: Mark Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 10:52:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos Yes, for a beginner, it would be useful to have captions to indicate the problems. Mark - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorwrong Photo Gallery, 100s of photos yes but you have to put a name of what is it the meteorwrongs: slgas, nodules etc... Matteo --- Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello list, I have been taking, editing, and uploading many many meteorite and meteorwrong photos. In doing so I have created one of the biggest meteorwrong photo collection that I have ever seen. These are all good meteorwrongs, I have tossed all of the ones that do not really resemble a meteorite. Some of these may actually be meteorites, but for now they will stay in the meteorwrong collection. I have found almost all of these in Illinois, USA. Some have been purchased on EBay, both as meteorites and meteorwrongs. I put this page togather to help people figure out what meteorites look like, and alos what meteorwrong look like, this way people will not waste thier time picking up and analyzing terrestrial stone that look like meteorites. I have also done this because I enjoy collecting meteorwrong for a couple of reasons, one is that it reminds me of all of the time I have put in hunting and soo few meteorite finds to show for it, It also helps me recognise a meteorite/meteorwrong in the field so I do not waste my time. Also I just like to see lots of photos of meteorites and meteorwrongs. I hope that all of you enjoy this gallery as much as I do. I also hope that this works as an educational tool for some people who are starting out hunting meteorites, or even experienced hunters. Here is a link to the Meteorwrong Photo Gallery: http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm Happy Hunting!!! Enjoy, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MISSOURI, ILLINOIS FIREBALL ALSO SEEN IN KANSAS, MINNESOTA
In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:10:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's the Kansas report (below). Interesting that it contains accounts of rumbling and popping noises when the object being described is likely 400 miles or more away! It must be an instance of the much-argued-about indirect generation of meteor sounds, electrophonically: _http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast26nov_1.htm_ (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast26nov_1.htm) Sterling K. Webb http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16630902.htm Aerial sight was a meteor One mystery remains . where did the falling object end up? By KEVIN MURPHY The Kansas City Star Many people reported seeing the round, orange object or hearing a thunderlike sound, some of them while watching the Super Bowl on TV. Several people in the Kearney and Liberty areas said they heard periodic popping and rumbling sounds coming from outside. I thought it was a neighbor shooting off fireworks, said Richard Specker of Kearney. Others thought the sound was an explosion. The rumbling sounds people heard, he said, were probably sonic booms. Steve Arnold, noted for finding a pallasite meteorite in Kansas in 2005, said pinpointing where a meteorite lands is very difficult. These things will burn out 12 miles or so above the Earth, Arnold said. If someone is in Emporia and it looks like it disappears over the horizon, it could literally be in Illinois. It's an optical illusion that it looks super near. It sounds like you guys got a light show a dozen other states got. Hello Sterling and List, Someone do the math for me, how long would it take for noise to travel from the Saint Louis area to Liberty Missouri? If they heard something at the same time they saw something, I would have to be a bit skeptical from that distance. It might be a coincidence or some active imaginations. It is possible that the noise did occur at an appropriate delayed time after the visual light appearance. Oh, and by the way, I am not sure if the rest of Murphy's story is correct, but I want to go on the record as saying that he did get my quote right. Steve __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
Wow! How accurate this news can be? Is The Hindu newspaper a serious paper or something like The Inquierer? Gaetan 2007/2/8, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear listees, please find attached a recent press release from THE HINDU news press. The report of the incident mentiones a crater but no sound and light phenomena before the blast. To me it rather seems that a mislead Pakistani (or Indian) artillery shell is the culprit but I'am open to other opinions. Suspected meteorite kills two nomads Hindu - Chennai,India 8 (PTI): A suspected meteorite claimed the lives of two nomads and injured five others today at Banchola village in Rajasthan's Bundi district, police said. ... http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200702081568.htm Cheers Svend Buhl www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Gaetan Cormier Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://eps.utk.edu/ifsg.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim meteorite tkw compilation
Hello the piece in Modena University its a fake Matteo --- Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dear list, First thanks many of you who sent me the masses of Ensisheim meteorite fragments you owe in your collections, for the compilation we are trying to achieve since a time. Even the smallest masses do contribute to a total that is slowly increasing, although this preliminary compliation is far from being complete. But we will be updating this first list on a regular basis. I wish to thank more particularly Jörn Koblitz for his valuable help in providing the most recent data from his last MetBase version, that remains a fantastic source of information. Please find the list below, hoping it will be more easy to decipher than my preceding compilations. You can note that there is now only one weight per institute or collector, although I had received often more than one (up to 5) often different numbers for each meteorite home. I have selected the most likely weight based on the most recent data I received or had on hand. Variable numbers basically concerned institutes or museums, from which only old data were available from very different sources. These still badly need an update but it is really not easy to contact these people. May I encourage you to continue to send me new data, additions and especially corrections, mostly (I believe) related to your own collections. More specifically, if you have selective remarks or corrections regarding your own data as listed here (not only weights but sometimes addresses), I'll be glad to collect them as promptly as you can, just because we wish to print that list very very soon, as it is, onto the program sheet of the next Ensisehim show that will be distributed to all the attendees next June. If your remarks can be collected within the forthcoming hours (say, within the next two days at the latest), we could include them and modify the compilation list accordingly. Warm thanks to all of you in advance. Best wishes, Zelimir -- Ensisheim meteorite weights, owned by different institutes or held in private collections, as compiled by Zelimir Gabelica (France). Last update: February 7, 2007 Place (country), name (nb. of pieces, if known) MASS (g) (NB: private collections: in italic) Ensisheim (F), Musée Régence 53,831 Paris (F), Mus. d'Hist. Nat 10,200 London (UK), Nat. Hist. Mus.911 Berlin (D), Mus.Humboldt Univ. 906 Vienna (A), Naturhist. Mus. 660 Malta (MN, USA), M. Cilz colln. 416 Tübingen (D), Min.-Petrogr. Inst 315 Washington (DC, USA), U.S. Nat. Mus. 235 Uppsala (S), Univ. Mus. 210 Tempe (AZ, USA), Arizona State Univ. 209 Brussels (B), Inst. Roy. Sci. Mus. 191 Zürich (CH), ETH 189 Modena (I), Min. Inst. Univ.177 Tucson (AZ), R. Haag coll. 176 Karlsruhe (D), Univ. Mus. 142.0 Cambridge (UK), Univ.Mus. 133 Chicago (IL, USA), Field Mus. N. Hist. 115 New York (NY, USA), Amer. Mus. N. Hist. 112 Göttingen (D), Min. Inst. Univ. 111 Paris (F), Alain Carion coll.(4) 102 Stockholm (S), Naturhist. Riksmus.80 Troyes (F), Mus. d'Hist. Nat. 79.1 Calcutta (In) Mus. Geol. Surv. India 77 Copenhagen (DK), Univ. Geol. Mus. 77 Basel (CH), Naturhist. Mus. 76 Strasbourg (F), Min. Mus 74 Dresden (D), Min. Geol. Mus. 73.4 Oxford (UK), Univ. Mus. 71 Kankakee (IL, USA), J.Schwade coll. 66 Prague (CZ), Nar. Mus. 51.5 Rome (I), Vatican Observ. coll. 46.31 Buenos Aires (RA), O.A. Turone coll. 44.01 Bremen (D), J. Koblitz coll. 42.3 Honolulu (HI, USA), J. Murakami coll. 45g Oeschgen (D), Beat Booz coll. 38.5 Paris (F), École des Mines 38
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Walter
Hello Sabrina, It's good to hear that Walter is making progress in his recovery. I'm happy to read that Rebekah is now out of harms way, that's very good news and let just hope that Walter will recover from all this very very soon. Gaetan Cormier Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://eps.utk.edu/ifsg.htm 2007/2/7, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Everyone, First, let me thank you for all of the e-mails. I have been printing them out so that Walter can see them when he is better. I just returned from the hospital. Walter had a tracheotomy today. He is still on the ventilator so he will not be able to talk but at least he will be able to form words better so maybe I can understand him easier. His kidney functioning is just a tad better than yesterday. For those of you who know the terms, his creatnine level went from 3.5 to 2.9. We want it to be 1.5 or lower. The chest tube was removed yesterday and the cervical collar was removed this morning. He is able to move better now. He is still very sedated due to agitation and pain. On Monday, I did get to talk to him and he could nod yes and no. I told him that I was e-mailing all of you and he nodded that he understood. As he gets better I am sure he will tell me or indicate what I should tell you but for now I just wanted him to know how many people are thinking and praying for him. Rebekah went to the pediatrician yesterday and got a clean bill of health. She goes to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow to check the pelvic fracture. She is moving around so well she tires herself out before she realizes. Please continue to keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I know that is what is making the difference in Walter's still being alive and in his recovery. Thank you for all that you have done! Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] please remove..
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[meteorite-list] AD Complete Allende
I have a very nice fresh complete Allende for sale on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=013sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=230086867654rd=1rd=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strewnfields in the Northern Plains
Hello all, If everything goes has plan, this summer I should be around in the Northern Plains, more precisely around Northern Kansas, Nebraska and South Dakota. I'm planning to bring my metal detector along so I was wondering if theres any strewnfields in those states that are worth investigating? Any recommandations? -- Gaetan Cormier Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://eps.utk.edu/ifsg.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sabrina Branch RE:Walter
I am so sorry to hear about Walter. I will keep him, your daughter, and you in my prayers. Walter was a wonderful informative friend when I began my hobby of meteorites years ago and helped to steer me clear of a couple of unsavory dealers. I am truly saddened to hear of the accident. Please let us know if there is any change in his condition. If there is anything I can do to help you at this time please feel free to ask me. I sincerely mean this. Sincerely, Dana L. Hawn - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Final Auction Values - Blood and Lang
I agree with Michael Blood's position that the public posting of final auction prices is a bad idea. Auction prices are NOT an indication of true market values, either high or low. Jim Michael Farmer Wrote: This is simple auction procedure. I will post my list first thing in the morning. I have the hammer prices for every last item. -- Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] over 850 meteorite photos, always adding more
Hello list, I have been really busy taking pictures and adding them to my website. I have added many photos and descriptions of meteorwrongs, my meteorite collection, possible new finds, a meteorite photo gallery, many photos from the Field museum meteorite collection, a meteorite forum with many stories and meteorite photos, and a whole lot more. There is also help for hunting and identifying meteorites. I invite everyone to enjoy all of the photos and also to join our meteorite collecting and hunting community at the skyrock cafe meteorite forum Here is a link to my homepage, you will find all the link you will find it really easy to navigate. This site has well over 850 photos. Many many different named finds and falls. Many different types of meteorite classifications. Please enjoy! http://illinoismeteorites.com Thanks, Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 9, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:22:51 -0500, you wrote: Wow! How accurate this news can be? Is The Hindu newspaper a serious paper or something like The Inquierer? Whenever a science-related article is googled up from an Indian newspaper, I get the feeling that all of their newspapers are like The Inquirer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] please remove..
Hello ???, You can remove yourself by clicking on the link below each e-mail, including this one, if desired. You might however just change the mailing option to a once a day e-mail. Clear Skies, Mark Hello, Please remove my name from this list.. informative but too many emails... thank you __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite kills two nomads in India
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:37:41 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:22:51 -0500, you wrote: Wow! How accurate this news can be? Is The Hindu newspaper a serious paper or something like The Inquierer? Whenever a science-related article is googled up from an Indian newspaper, I get the feeling that all of their newspapers are like The Inquirer. A jingoist spoke. India is gaining on us. Not a jingonist at all. Just an observation that every science story I see coming out of an Indian newspaper is utter crap. Like alien blood from the sky, and radioactive fears for meteorites. Crap, all of it. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting prices at Blood's auction.
on 2/8/07 6:45 PM, doctor death at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few years ago I suggested to Michael Blood that a collector/dealer buying a piece for resell may not want his buy price to become public knowledge. And that some people come to auctions just to watch prices. He liked my reasoning and withdrew posting that year and since, My bad. Howard Wu -- Hi Howard, That is why I am interested in hearing from All DEALERS, not just the ones that have rooms at the show. If I buy a beautiful house on several acres of property with a view of the ocean and pay $80,000 for it, that does not mean I shouldn't resell it for 3.8 million dollars. What someone pays is in no way related to the price at which they sell (unless that purchase price is available to them on an ongoing basis). I still have only heard from a couple of dealers. If I do not hear from many, I will not be changing my policy on posting prices. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Some Good Tucson Auction News
Hello Everyone, I hope that last round of e-mails has not turned anyone off from attending Tucson or the like. It is the greatest assembly of meteorite collectors and dealers and should not be missed if possible. My report on the show will be coming soon. I hope that other attendees take the time to write a few words on their experience as well. Just as you likely enjoyed reading past reports, others will enjoy reading yours. Now for a little good Tucson Auction news. During Michael Blood's People Auction, Michael was kind enough to stop the auction to offer a number of last minute things for the Walter Branch fund. A pair of posters, I believe given by Michael, where signed by all present. One for Walter and the other for the high bidder with all funds going directly to the Walter Branch fund. The signed poster sold for $275 by a generous Fred Hall. A couple other items were also auctioned off, including a Mars tainted wine bottle given by Greg Hupe, and third item if I remember right. Sorry can't remember who gave it or what it was. While I have no ideal how much was collected at the auction, I imagine over $1000.00, which mind you is a fraction of the funds that Walter could use. As you have read his condition is quite serious. I don't see him returning to work anytime soon. Anyway, I would like to publically thank Michael Blood, who received quite some slack for the long running auction, for taking time out for this, Fred Hall, Greg Hupe and the generous meteorite community. And since I am on this subject, I have copied and pasted John's e-mail the other day on the Walter Branch fund. Hello List, After reading the bad news about Walter and his daughter, I called Maria Haas who was in Tucson attending the Gem Mineral Show to tell her the news. Being the good soul that she is, she came up with the idea to collect donations to assist Walter and his family during this trying situation. Maria spent the better part of two days collecting donations from meteorite folks attending the Show and was delighted to find that members of the meteorite community were quite generous. During a phone conversation with Maria on Monday ( she was hunting meteorites in Holbrook with Dave Andrews and Larry Mr. Lucky Atkins), she asked if I'd post this message to the Met. List since she is away from her computer. Anyone who would like to donate money to assist Walter Branch and his family can do so through Maria. She has a Premiere Paypal account, so she can accept payments made with Visa, Master Card, E-Checks, etc. If you prefer to mail donations to Maria that is possible too. Here is her Paypal account e-mail and also her mailing address. Paypal payments : dragonsoup at msn.com mailing address: Maria Haas 410 Spring Street Saline MI 48176 She won't be home from her trip to Arizona/Nevada until late on Saturday, February 10, 2007. So if you try to contact her, don't expect a reply until then. From the description of the injuries, I'm guessing Walter's recovery will be a long process. I've never met him in person, but have been in contact with him for pretty close to 10 years. I'm sure that those of you who know him or have done business with him will agree with me that he is a wonderful guy full of integrity, honesty and charm. Please be generous. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me as well. Best Regards, John Gwilliam - Tempe, Arizona Clear Skies, Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
