Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-26 Thread Francis Graham
Streling K. Webb wrote: During the 29 June 1878 solar eclipse, two experienced astronomers, Professor James Craig Watson, director of the Ann Arbor Observatory in Michigan, and Lewis Swift, an amateur from Rochester, New York, both claimed independently to have seen a planetary object close to

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-26 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Like old age, capture, at least orbital capture, is better than the other most likely alternative, they being, respectively, death and impact! Sterling Francis Graham wrote: Sterling and list, if it was real, it was a near miss closer

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-26 Thread Dawn Gerald Flaherty
, and little old me. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids Jerry F. wrote: Francis and List, could

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Rob, Doug, List Why am I always digging myself out of holes that I apparently made with my own mouth? Well, better than extracting one's own feet from that same mouth, I guess. There are many definitions of phase angle. Leaving out the ones that apply to periodic and wave

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread MexicoDoug
Sterling: Always a big fan of the Iliad, even BEFORE it was a movie with Brad Pitt, I can't recall the names of 1783 Trojan characters in the Iliad! Hola Sterling, for one thing, they cheat, because the L4 are the Greeks and the L5 are the Trojans, with a few glaring errors (Hektor is

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread Dawn Gerald Flaherty
Francis and List, could someone help me with the L4, L5 points?? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids MOON Trojan

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread MexicoDoug
two planets will never collide. Saludos, Doug - Original Message - From: Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids MOON Trojan objects exist

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread Dawn Gerald Flaherty
: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids Jerry F. wrote: Francis and List, could someone help me with the L4, L5 points?? Jerry Flaherty Hola Jerry, L4 and L5: These two zones (it would be a point if it were unstable, but you will see

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread Dawn Gerald Flaherty
@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids Francis and List, could someone help me with the L4, L5 points?? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread Darren Garrison
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:08:46 -0400, Dawn Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, 60 deg preceeding[L4], 60deg following[L5]. What's the significance of 60deg or 120 or 240?? Any math clue? struggling to follow, I've got to be an L5, Jerry Look at

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread MexicoDoug
Jerry F. wrote: Billiards on a planetary scale. No wonder I never made it in a pool hall!! Jeje, Hola Jerry, Yes, if the counterpart balls in the pool hall had a sort of magnetic attraction that could transfer momentum without touching (i.e, gravity) Another way to think of these

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-25 Thread Dawn Gerald Flaherty
, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids Jerry F. wrote: Francis and List, could someone help me with the L4, L5 points?? Jerry Flaherty Hola Jerry, L4 and L5: These two zones (it would be a point if it were unstable, but you will see that they are stable

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids: FOOTNOTE

2005-06-24 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Sterling K. Webb wrote: Sky angle roughly 60 degrees up from the horizon Whoops! With 72 minutes of civil, nautical and astronomical twlight (24 minutes each) needing to past before skies were completely dark, the beginning sky angle for a search would then be 42 degrees. Sterling K.

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-24 Thread Francis Graham
MOON Trojan objects exist. They are the Kordylewski clouds, small faint patches of dust, at the L4 and L5 points of the Earth-Moon system (not Earth-sun system). The Kordylewski clouds have been photographed, and have even been seen by the naked eye under total dark skies. They may be variable

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-24 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Thank you, Francis, for supplying the name that slipped through the cracks in my brain at three o'clock in the morning. I knew it started with K and was Slavic, but that's as far as my brain went, and my Googling finger was numb with overuse. They were a subject of derision when

RE: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-24 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi Sterling, Doug, and any other lurking List members still following the earth Trojan thread. A few comments related to the Earth Trojan magnitude calculation. Sterling wrote: Yes, phase would be about 2/3rds if it was spherical, but small bodies rarely are, so that value could be highly

[meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-23 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi Darren, Sterling and List, Sterling pondered about Earth Trojans: Makes me wonder if somebody has ever tracked the orbital points 60 degrees ahead and behind the Earth... Wouldn't it be great to have Trojans of our own? Certainly astronomers have tried, but small objects at L4 and L5

Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Trojan asteroids

2005-06-23 Thread MexicoDoug
Hola Rob, Wouldn't that be = 2/3's (gibbous) phase = about 66% illumination, and a maximum average sky angle of a comfortable,high 60 degrees max observed angle (+/- the oscillation) ... checking they're equilateral triangles, though intuition might be wrong? Saludos, Doug En un mensaje