Pekka, Robert Verish and Robert Matson had some excellent comments on this, and I wanted
to comment back to each
For Pekka,
Thanks
for sharing that data. The chemical analysis looks somewhat similar to what I
have been told , but does vary. Some people I have talked to thought
that
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Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Elma
status
Pekka,
Robert Verish and Robert Matson
had some excellent comments on this, and I wanted to comment back to
eachÂ…
For Pekka,
Thanks for sharing that data. The chemical analysis looks somewhat
similar to w
Robert,
Post away, but please refrain from the asphalt and tar
non-sense; it's gone way beyond that...
Adam and list,
Thanks Adam, I had fun doing them and eagerly await seeing what
a SEM scan shows of that material as well as the comments from the
examiners.
In another
Mike,
Thanks for your reply. I never meant to indicate that I thought it was a meteorite. I am interested to find out what they determined this material to be. And what better source to find out from then the meteorite list.
Charles,
Thanks for your information on the status of the Elma
Hi Sonny and List,
The
Elma whatever objects remains a mystery, and while probably not a
meteorite by definition, remains a very seriously studied material by a number
of leading labs and scientists. There
are papers due out on this material soon and we will just have to wait to see
Answer, Elma is a scam, a waste of time, not a
meteorite.
All hotels rais their rates for that time of year just
for the Tucson show.
Mike Farmer
Writing from a place where my thermometer just topped
out at the max of 125 degrees!
Dreaming of cool Tucson right now.
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Hello, all,
the ball lightning could be one explanation. In Finland this phenomenon
has stuidied, and some scientists says, a lightning ball could in fact be
burning flint. Anyway, its very difficult to study this phenomenon, but
it should;
- fly free in the air
- move slowly and stay at
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fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and smoldering pieces of
basaltic glass with sand inside, sounds like some atmospheric event
in on this
occurrence and it just keeps getting odder.
All the best,
Adam
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Hello All, How
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Hello All, This Elma stuff sounds like a metal casting bi
Hello All, How about a glass manufacturing bi-product?
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
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Hi Tom
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Hi Tom and List members,
I am only responding because a problem seems to be
developing here.
Mike
Farmer claims scientists are wasting their time on
this material and
that
this is a waste of bandwidth on the List. The
scientists
Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in hell that a meteorite
was recovered there.
Mike Farmer
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Dear List,
I personally witnessed ball lightning in the AZ desert only 6 months ago and it wasprobably the most intense and dramatic event I've ever witnessed.Ball lightningdoes exist and itcan last for several minutes; the one I saw lasted over two full minutes. As a matter of fact, the one I
Farmer
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Hey Mike and Dear List,
Ex and current NASA scientist know the difference between
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Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in hell that a
meteorite
was recovered
Peregrineflier
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:22 PM
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Hi Mike, Mike and List,
The Elma material is definitely not a meteorite
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Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance
in hell that a
meteorite
was recovered there.
Mike Farmer
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PM
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Hello everybody, Adam wrote;
As has been
reported this material consist of sand incased in a basaltic glass shell.
Sounds like the frass meteorite, was there any living organisms inside
with
the sand? Be sure to be suited up in protective gear
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Ok Adam, tell us all, where did you get your science degree? Oh I
forgot,
you have none, so please stop playing scientist.
I don't have a closed mind, I am simply offended by people wasting
scientific time with nonsense, especially now
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fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and smoldering pieces of
basaltic glass with sand inside, sounds like some atmospheric event
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From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL
, August 06, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
Hi Tom,
No glass manufacturing process would use this kind of sand because of it
impurities and why would glass be spread into a shot-put pit where kids
could get cut on the sharp edges? I am not going to speculate too much
this one.
Mike Farmer
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Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:18 PM
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Hi Tom and List members,
I am only responding because
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Hi Tom and List members,
I am only responding because a problem seems to be developing here.
Mike
Farmer claims scientists are wasting their time on this material and
that
this is a waste of bandwidth on the List. The scientists
i'm very new to collecting meteorites and to this list...
so, i find it pretty discouraging to have to be subjected to these kinds of
ugly exchanges... it's very ironic since other posts have talked about helping
others to gain an interest in this field of collecting when these kind of
personal
.
All the best,
Adam and Greg Hupe
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Mike, forget about
ago. Perhaps, if you had some of this stuff
you might feel different.
Charlyv
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
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: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:35 PM
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Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance
in hell that a
meteorite
was recovered there.
Mike Farmer
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classification.
Mike Farmer
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Hey Mike and Dear List,
Ex and current NASA scientist know
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Given the reputation of the people examining this stuff, how busy they
are, and the amount of time they are willing to spend on this - It's not
crap. It is probably more related
Hupe'
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Given the reputation of the people examining this
stuff, how busy they
are, and the amount of time they are willing to
spend on this - It's not
crap
: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
Given the reputation of the people examining this stuff, how busy they
are, and the amount of time they are willing to spend on this - It's not
crap. It is probably more related to a tektite than anything else if one
, 2003 11:15 PM
To: Charles R. Viau; 'Adam Hupe'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
Well, It CANNOT be a tekite, tektites are made by large impacts melting
the
impacted rock. these were found in a telephone pole! My god, every
telephone
pole I have ever seen is covered in tar
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