.. Snip ... Bacteria could survive crash-landing on other planets, a
British team has found.
Interesting, but they appear to have kinda missed out the 'extreme
cosmic radiation' and the heat/cold bit, that would likely kill the
little suckers...
Best,
Mark Ford
Well, I personally think this has been an interesting debate, (mud
slinging aside), this is what we need more of, - openness! So what else
are we being scammed with?
.. Does explain why NWA869 appears to have 'many different lithologies'!
;)
Mark Ford
Hi,
I found this an interesting thread and it got me thinking about the various
crafts we send to other planets (ie Mars). I cannot see how one can
practically completely 100% sterilise the Mars Rovers - surely any methods
required to perform an efficient sterilysis would damage the delicate
Drum roll
And the answer is ... 'They aint sterile'
Just a Token effort Cymbol
:)
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From: Dave Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 September 2004 09:05
To: metlist
Subject: [meteorite-list] re Alien Microbes Could Survive
Crash-Landing
Hi,
I found
That is certainly a great idea Bernhard. I have also now been trying to keep
histories of pieces, no matter what the specimen is. When I resell a
collection piece, as well as adding my own label I also include any others
that may have come with the specimen when I bought it. When you think about
G'day Stefan / List,
Exactly right Stefan! It really is quite simple. If NWA xyz has been
classified as a Jupiterite and has a TKW of 200g then that is that.
Period!!! If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come from the
same spot and is paired, what right do they have to say it is
Maybe the IMCA could layout a standard record card, that could be
voluntarily adopted?
It might even add value to a specimen if it had some sort of traceable
history... I would pay more for something with a history to it, I am
sure others would.
It's done with many other things in life. I
G'morning Jeff,
you are right, but
If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come from the
same spot and is paired,
but the real problem is that you must not only THINK that they come from
the same spot but be SURE of it ! the only way is to be on the field, not in
dealer shops.
That is a fantastic idea!
CJ
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Well, yes and no. Yes, because it would add to the documentation of a
certain piece. No, because if you are a seller, you do not really want
to disclose your source most of the times.
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Bernhard Rendelius Rems
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Benr'd,
Yes I can see some instances where info would be 'commercially
sensitive' fair enough, but 'bought from Morocco' would do as a start
for NWA's!
A lot of the time however, even basic info is just simply not passed
on. This would be a way of making sure it is. Dealers could still
Hi All,
True story:
Dealer B gets specimens from Dealer A. Notices an area ground off the surface of all
the specimens.
Dealer B gets more specimens from Dealer A. Again notices spot ground off on all
pieces.
Dealer B calls Dealer A and asks for an explanation and is told that the pieces are
Great article!
Yeah, Sure it happens, and it shouldn't! I don't see why institutions
need to be so cagey, pretty well all institutions exchange material with
dealers, it goes with the territory. And it's clear they all have their
'favorite dealers', but I am sure anyone that came to them with
FYI: when I send out an item to a customer, I always send out a
preprinted info sheet which contains, amongst tips how to store and
curate your meteorites, a paragraph about the importance of keeping
records of them. Here's a (free) translation of this paragraph:
Please keep a catalogue of your
This is a great idea which could help keeping tracks for successive owners.
But to keep a certain independance, there could be a website (with login access) where
successive owners of a certain piece could register their ownership.
CONCEPT
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Hi,
Good idea about advising new customers about record keeping, most
important that.
I give every specimen in my collection a unique number, this is entered
into a logbook, along with basic info (name, type, weight etc). I put a
label with or on each sample with It's number. The original
Pierre,
Good idea, though it could be a bit labour intensive and I am not sure
many people would be very keen on paying for the service every time they
sold a stone. An electronic system could work in theory, and it would
also be a great way of tracing/recovering stolen material. (A similar
Subject: Auction list for tonight. Many large items over $1000 up for one
cent.
Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions.
They all end tonight.
Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain.
And ... They would copy or fill out a new record card for each one, (if
they want the benefits and better prices traceability would bring)..
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From: Martin Altmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 September 2004 16:09
To: mark ford
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
The life from Mars fanatics make several leaps of faith in imagining Martian space
seeds, full of viable bacteria, raining down from our skies. If we accept that the
solar planets are all basically the same age, and life first appeared here a few
hundred million years after Earth's formation
Hi Mike,
A question related to your E-bay offer just received (though I am not an
E-bay buyer).
You are listing Oum Rokba.
I purchased that one sometimes in the past, from Blaine Reed (incidently
with an accurate descriptive label). I thought the name was officially
recognized and the
G'day Stefan / List,
Exactly right Stefan! It really is quite simple.
If NWAxyz has been classified as a Jupiterite and has a TKW of 200g then
that is that. Period!!! If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come
fromthe same spot and is paired, what right do they have to say it
Hi again, I have some spectacular meteorites ending tonight, some worth over
$500 each listed for one cent.
Be sure to get bids in early, I have people email me every auction night who
complain that they forgot to bid.
Some special items of note:
Nice large Thuathe specimen
A local newpaper in Venezuela has scooped CNN, NBC and CBS and broken
the big story about an amazing
new meteorite find (see below). We are sure that this will generate
intense scientific interest as well as intense competition
amongst the list dealers as they vie to purchase this cosmic beauty.
I personally like the idea of being able to trace the history
of meteorites (especially the more historical ones), e.g. by means
of having labels of them from the pre-owners. Martin Horejsi shows
some nice examples on his website. At it´s best these will be
original labels which date back many
Another list member has mentioned that
not long ago several lunar stones were found in the same strewnfield in
Dhofar. Recent analysis has shown they belong to at least two sperate
falls.
If the finder had not been as diligent as they were, the meteorites would
likely have just been sold as the
Wow, nice agate egg. I can get those for about $1.50 each in Denver.
I hope they arent counting on that meteorite to get rich.
Mike Farmer
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From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list]
I ran across this paper -
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1420.pdf
Which mentions dendritic metal-sulfide intergrowths in CR-clan meteorites,
and I was wondering if this is a common feature of impact melts/breccias, or
is it an unusual feature?
Does anyone have a good photo of this
Dear John,
I was very impressed upon reading your message describing the amazing new
meteorite that hit a house in Venezuela, because... I was just in
Venezuela from Sept 1 to 11 (incidently with a really smooth return flight
on this magic date, though some remanent turbulences from our friend
Dear List;
This material as Mike notes is not meteorite. It is either a fluorite,
gypsum, dolomite or other very soft material, a banded material hardness
of around 4. Can be bought wholesale or retail by the pound!
That peticular specimen was probably indeed from S. America as it is
mined
Hello ZelmirThat certainly is a coincidence. I guess the more people
that learn about the potential value of meteorites the more cosmic
agates we'll be hearing about in the News. Apparently this chap was
planning on retiring on the proceeds from Granny's meteorite as he
became quite
I ran across this paper which mentions dendritic metal-sulfide
intergrowths in CR-clan meteorites, and I was wondering if this
is a common feature of impact melts/breccias, or is it an unusual
feature?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1420.pdf
My database query only resulted in
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
August 30 - September 10, 2004
o Cerberus Fossae (Released 30 August 2004)
http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040830a.html
o Lycus Sulci (Released 31 August 2004)
http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20040831a.html
o Hebes Chasma (Released 1 September 2004)
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html
OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Spectrometers Sample Clean and Dirty Targets -
sol 215-217, September 13, 2004
On sol 215 Opportunity completed a reading with its Mossbauer
spectrometer of a target called Kirchner, where a wire brush on the
rover's rock
Hi,
I am curious as to why no one appears to have any information/comments re
the sterilzing of interplanetary probes!
Surely someone on this list must have a thought on this matter!
Ron Baalke... any info?
thanks
dave
IMCA #0092
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Amen regarding the removal of curating numbers from meteorite specimens.
For many collectors and dealers, having a specimen from the Monnig
collection or other famous institution is an important part of their
meteorite's history. The outcry would be huge if it were found that those
same
Hi,
I am curious as to why no one appears to have any information/comments re
the sterilzing of interplanetary probes!
Surely someone on this list must have a thought on this matter!
Ron Baalke... any info?
All NASA spacecraft to the planets have planetary protection requirements.
For
http://www.oregonlive.com/metrosouthwest/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_southwest_news/109421264474221.xml
Group hopes to land meteorite
West Linn residents want to raise money for an interpretive center to
honor a mammoth bit of the town's history
DANA TIMS
The Oregonian
September 3,
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3475033
Asteroids May Have Brought Life to Earth
By John von Radowitz
The Scotsman (United Kingdom)
September 9, 2004
Asteroid craters could turn out to be the cradles of life, an expert
said today.
Killer asteroids like the one believed to have wiped
Hi list:
I spent a few hours this morning wandering around the Denver show. It
seems there are less and less meteorite dealers each year, yet more and
more varieties of meteorites! Anyway, there is a new pallasite from
Russia being sold. The sources tell me that it is genuine ( I grilled
them
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/14sep_jupiterdust.htm
Beware: Io Dust
NASA Science News
September 14, 2004
Jupiter's moon Io is shooting tiny volcanic bullets at passing spacecraft.
September 14, 2004: Jupiter's moon Io is peppered with volcanoes, the
hottest, most active volcanoes in
NEW COMET HEADING SUNWARD
Roger W. Sinnott
Sky Telescope
September 10, 2004
Grzegorz Pojmanski (Warsaw Astronomical Observatory, Poland) has
found an 11th-magnitude comet a few degrees south of Sirius in the
predawn sky. He snared it remotely using a remarkably small
instrument: a
Hi everyone, I have loaded alot of meteorites on eBay one cent auctions.
They all end tonight.
Take a look, grab some end of summer deals for a real bargain.
for example, here is a small piece of Bilanga Diogenite, right now less than
$3.00 per gram!
http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=2248453nav=0RYbQUIj
City Determines Possible Sources of Loud Booms
News Channel 15 (Indiana)
September 2, 2004
(Fort Wayne - WANE - September 2, 2004) Hundreds of people have called
the Fort Wayne Mayor's Office with reports of loud booms, primarily in
http://www.nanobaclabs.com/Newsroom/PressReleases/Article.aspx?shortname=News_2004-09-13
NANOBAC LIFE SCIENCES ANNOUNCES SPACE ACT AGREEMENT WITH NASA:
NASA's Johnson Space Center to Study Nanobacteria
TAMPA, Fla. (September 13, 2004) - Nanobac Life Sciences, Inc.
(OTCPK:NNBP) is pleased to
Ah, that would put my mind at rest: Officials have determined possible sources of the
blasts, but don't know exactly, so concerned residents have no need to complain
anymore. Right.
Allow me to propose a possible source: Practical jokers placing bombs in the treetops.
In a message dated
Hello all-
Thought I would offer a sale on some beautiful Amgala fragments while the
rest of the folks are in Denver. I am getting ready to launch
Nakhladogmeteorites.com soon and I am in the process of liquidating a lot of
material to provide only the best specimens on the website. To do this I
Hello List!, I ve been off he list for some time, hehe but Im back again
:)Well during the weekend I had the chance of going to one hot spring
near my city, its called Cuatro Cienegas and I was told that there are some
NASA scientists studying that hot spring because its one of few places
Hello List!, I ve been off he list for some time, hehe but Im back again
:)Well during the weekend I had the chance of going to one hot spring
near my city, its called Cuatro Cienegas and I was told that there are some
NASA scientists studying that hot spring because its one of few places
Astronomy Picture of the day
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040914.html
Rob Wesel
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G'day Zelimir,
I'm fairly sure Oum Rokba was also classified under the name, NWA 400. I
don't think either name has been 'officially' described though. Maybe
someone else has a bit more info?!
Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au
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From: Zelimir
In a message dated 9/14/2004 11:41:40 PM Mountain Standard Time,
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I'm fairly sure Oum Rokba was also classified under the name, NWA 400. I
don't think either name has been 'officially' described though. Maybe
someone else has a bit more info?!
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