Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-25 Thread Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
Exactly Peter, 
There are political motives behind the show in Changsha/chenzhou. It is 
government owned. The local governments are trying to get an airport built at 
Chenzhou. They wanted those hundreds of thousands of visitors to spur demand 
for an airport and development. The hundreds of thousands of visitors were all 
local peasants. None of them knew a thing about what they were looking at, much 
less have interest in spending a single yuan. 
Certainly there were buyers there and a lot of money was made, but none of that 
had anything to do with the visitor numbers. I think 1000 people would have 
been far better.

There is also no way to gauge Tucson attendance. The only number they use is 
the ticket sales at the main show at the convention center. When that is open 
I'm ready closed. There are hundreds of venues all over the city. 
The song "Don't cry for me Argentina" comes to mind. We do quite well thank you 
very much Adam:)

Michael Farmer

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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Peter Davidson via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List members
> 
> I would be very wary of the figures quoted here. As someone on the list has 
> already mentioned, the shows at Changsha (now gone forever), Chenzhou and 
> elsewhere are largely attended by locals and students bussed in by the 
> Chinese government to artificially boost numbers. A number of prominent 
> mineral dealers that I know, who have the knowledge and experience of mineral 
> shows World-wide, are all very scathing about the Chinese shows. It may well 
> be that once these shows have been running for a number of years (like Tucson 
> and Munich) then thinks will settle down and trust between seller and buyer 
> may eventually be built up.
> 
> My recent experiences of trying to get the Chinese to organise an 
> international mineralogy conference have proved to be one of the most 
> frustrating periods of my professional life. China may have made many great 
> strides in some fields, but are hide-bound by politics. The result of all 
> this is that the conference will probably not go ahead. Poor organisation and 
> political interference/favouritism are among the main culprits.
> 
> I am a relative Tucson newbie (this will be my fifth visit), and the city can 
> be a difficult place to reach from Scotland, but it is still (along with 
> Munich) the place to go to catch up with old friends, meet new ones and most 
> importantly see some great specimens! I would not be too worried about 
> attendance figures. The main show, where I have my small display, is still 
> pretty busy on all the days that it is open and the hotels and smaller shows 
> around the city still seem to attract a lot of people. Long may it continue.
> 
> Hope to see a few of you there.
> 
> Peter Davidson
> Senior Curator of Mineralogy
> 
> Natural Sciences Department
> National Museums Collection Centre
> 242 West Granton Road
> Edinburgh
> EH5 1JA
> TEL: 0131 247 4283
> E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk
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> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer the 
> world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance 
> figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less than
> 40,000 for Tucson.
> 
> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
> 
> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show that 
> has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a 
> mere 3 years.
> 
> Adam
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-25 Thread Peter Davidson via Meteorite-list 
Dear List members

I would be very wary of the figures quoted here. As someone on the list has 
already mentioned, the shows at Changsha (now gone forever), Chenzhou and 
elsewhere are largely attended by locals and students bussed in by the Chinese 
government to artificially boost numbers. A number of prominent mineral dealers 
that I know, who have the knowledge and experience of mineral shows World-wide, 
are all very scathing about the Chinese shows. It may well be that once these 
shows have been running for a number of years (like Tucson and Munich) then 
thinks will settle down and trust between seller and buyer may eventually be 
built up.

My recent experiences of trying to get the Chinese to organise an international 
mineralogy conference have proved to be one of the most frustrating periods of 
my professional life. China may have made many great strides in some fields, 
but are hide-bound by politics. The result of all this is that the conference 
will probably not go ahead. Poor organisation and political 
interference/favouritism are among the main culprits.

I am a relative Tucson newbie (this will be my fifth visit), and the city can 
be a difficult place to reach from Scotland, but it is still (along with 
Munich) the place to go to catch up with old friends, meet new ones and most 
importantly see some great specimens! I would not be too worried about 
attendance figures. The main show, where I have my small display, is still 
pretty busy on all the days that it is open and the hotels and smaller shows 
around the city still seem to attract a lot of people. Long may it continue.

Hope to see a few of you there.

Peter Davidson
Senior Curator of Mineralogy

Natural Sciences Department
National Museums Collection Centre
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
TEL: 0131 247 4283
E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk

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Dear List Members,

I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer the 
world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance figures 
of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less than
40,000 for Tucson.

http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf

Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show that has 
been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a mere 3 
years.

Adam




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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
Absolutely ludicrous post. Tucson has hundreds of thousands of visitors. 

Michael Farmer

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> Frankly Al,
> 
> I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it seems to be 
> just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same complaints about 
> parking.
> I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to count 
> people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is free, people 
> wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no tickets to buy, no one 
> counting people come in anywhere. So how did whomever get to that number? 
> 
> Curious minds
> 
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 12:12 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
> Mineral Show
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
> If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
> much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
> trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
> walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
> for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.
> 
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
> 
>Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:
> 
>>  Dear List Members,
>> 
>>  I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no 
>>  longer the world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place 
>>  with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 
>>  compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.
>> 
>>  http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
>> 
>>  Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
>>  that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only 
>>  existed for a mere 3 years.
>> 
>>  Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread J Sinclair via Meteorite-list 
Hi All,

Tucson is the greatest gem and mineral show in the world.
There are so many reasons why.

The problem is non disclosure of an imitation or "fake", not selling one.
Only when something is sold to deceive does it become a problem.
Meteorites have been sold as rare falls when they are not. Sapphires
have been sold as "Kashmir" when they are not.
Pure deception.

Lab grown emeralds make beautiful jewelry. Lab grown crystals can be
astonishing.
Making a reproduction meteorite or dinosaur as a cast is an accepted
and valued practice.
Making green glass in your kitchen and selling it as a tektite is deception.
None are the real deal from nature and some are made in dishonest greed.
The other is sold to show wonder and amazement.

Know the product
Know your source
Examine closely
Ask questions
Buy wisely

If one doesn't know what they are looking at, they can be tricked.
It's happened to the best.

"knowledge is power"

John


On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
Meteorite-list  wrote:
> Hi Adam and List,
>
> Biggest?  Maybe.  Best?  No.  From what I have heard about Chinese
> rock shows - many of the specimens are bogus. Fake Moldavite. Fake
> fossils. Fake meteorites. I realize this problem is not restricted to
> Chinese shows, but China has made an art-form out of specimen forgery.
> I'd have to drag a team of experts with me and have them test any
> piece I was thinking about buying.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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> On 1/23/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer the
>>
>> world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance
>> figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less than
>> 40,000 for Tucson.
>>
>> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
>>
>> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show that
>> has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a
>> mere 3 years.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list 
Here is a link to some numbers but, The Tucson Show is so big and spread out 
all over town that  they could not begin to possibly know the true stats. 
http://www.biztucson.com/features/worlds-biggest-gem-show-120-million-economic-impact/
Carl
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 Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> 
wrote: 
> Absolutely ludicrous post. Tucson has hundreds of thousands of visitors. 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> > On Jan 24, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Frankly Al,
> > 
> > I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it seems to 
> > be just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same complaints 
> > about parking.
> > I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to count 
> > people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is free, people 
> > wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no tickets to buy, no 
> > one counting people come in anywhere. So how did whomever get to that 
> > number? 
> > 
> > Curious minds
> > 
> > Anne M. Black
> > www.IMPACTIKA.com
> > impact...@aol.com
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: almitt2--- via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> > To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 12:12 am
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
> > Mineral Show
> > 
> > Greetings all,
> > 
> > Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
> > If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
> > much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
> > trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
> > walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
> > for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.
> > 
> > --AL Mitterling
> > Mitterling Meteorites
> > 
> >Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:
> > 
> >>  Dear List Members,
> >> 
> >>  I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no 
> >>  longer the world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place 
> >>  with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 
> >>  compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.
> >> 
> >>  http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
> >> 
> >>  Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
> >>  that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only 
> >>  existed for a mere 3 years.
> >> 
> >>  Adam
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
You crack me up:) 

Michael Farmer

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> 
> The Gem and Mineral Show is the most important event for Tucson's economy 
> which has declined to new lows the last few years.  Tucson needs to be 
> recognized for more than consistently making the top ten list of most 
> impoverished cities in the United States.  Perhaps they should double down 
> and again regain title to hosting the world's largest Gem and Mineral Show.
> 
> http://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-11-poorest-cities/8/
> 
> http://tucson.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/census-tucson-sixth-poorest-large-city/article_29e20cf8-6bd2-58bc-bece-d75eef1dfad4.html
> 
> http://howafrica.com/10-poorest-cities-in-america-of-2015/
> 
> I remember having to book hotel rooms months in advance and having great 
> difficulty securing a rental car 16 years ago around show time.  I checked to 
> see available just yesterday and getting a room is no problem this year so 
> there is a bright side to this downturn in fortunes.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anne Black via Meteorite-list" 
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> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
> Mineral Show
> 
> 
>> Frankly Al,
>> 
>> I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it seems to be 
>> just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same complaints about 
>> parking.
>> I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to count 
>> people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is free, people 
>> wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no tickets to buy, no one 
>> counting people come in anywhere. So how did whomever get to that number?
>> 
>> Curious minds
>> 
>> Anne M. Black
>> www.IMPACTIKA.com
>> impact...@aol.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: almitt2--- via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 12:12 am
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
>> Mineral Show
>> 
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
>> If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
>> much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
>> trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
>> walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
>> for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.
>> 
>> --AL Mitterling
>> Mitterling Meteorites
>> 
>> Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:
>> 
>>> Dear List Members,
>>> 
>>> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no
>>> longer the world's largest. It looks like China is in first place
>>> with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015
>>> compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.
>>> 
>>> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
>>> 
>>> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show
>>> that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only
>>> existed for a mere 3 years.
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list 
Numbers can be deceiving. One must ask what the percentage of vendors 
(merchants) hosting booths or showrooms at both China and Tucson events offer 
meteorites and impact related artifacts, and of them, what percentage are 
authentic?

Tucson may lose the distinction of being the largest gem and mineral show in 
the world, but for the interests and purposes of those subscribed to this list, 
it will never lose the honor of being the BEST show on earth for the meteorite 
obsessed!

gary

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
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> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer the 
> world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance 
> figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less than 
> 40,000 for Tucson.
> 
> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
> 
> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show that 
> has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a 
> mere 3 years.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
The Gem and Mineral Show is the most important event for Tucson's economy 
which has declined to new lows the last few years.  Tucson needs to be 
recognized for more than consistently making the top ten list of most 
impoverished cities in the United States.  Perhaps they should double down 
and again regain title to hosting the world's largest Gem and Mineral Show.


http://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-11-poorest-cities/8/

http://tucson.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/census-tucson-sixth-poorest-large-city/article_29e20cf8-6bd2-58bc-bece-d75eef1dfad4.html

http://howafrica.com/10-poorest-cities-in-america-of-2015/

I remember having to book hotel rooms months in advance and having great 
difficulty securing a rental car 16 years ago around show time.  I checked 
to see available just yesterday and getting a room is no problem this year 
so there is a bright side to this downturn in fortunes.


Adam




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Frankly Al,

I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it seems to 
be just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same complaints 
about parking.
I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to 
count people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is free, 
people wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no tickets to 
buy, no one counting people come in anywhere. So how did whomever get to 
that number?


Curious minds

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 12:12 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
Mineral Show


Greetings all,

Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:


Dear List Members,

I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no
longer the world's largest. It looks like China is in first place
with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015
compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.

http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf

Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show
that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only
existed for a mere 3 years.

Adam




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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread almitt2--- via Meteorite-list 

Hi Anne and all,

I can remember it being larger in the early 1990's compared to the 
shows after 2002. I'd multiply finding a parking spot by 3 back then to 
now. My opinion and memory isn't always right but it was larger then. 
Most people back then made reservations a year ahead of time in order 
to stay. I found a motel about 40 miles away that I stayed in for 
several years straight.


One could use the amount of income that takes place during the show to 
come up with some sort of attendance taking place.


Also the city got greedy some time back and was thinking of putting a 
tax on the shows. There was talk of moving it to Vegas then. The city 
rethought it's taxing the shows after they were threatened with the 
show moving. Some of the gem shows did move so some loss of income and 
people.


I prefer Tucson as it is a nice location and hope the show doesn't ever move.

Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting Anne Black :


Frankly Al,

I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it 
seems to be just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same 
complaints about parking.
I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to 
count people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is 
free, people wander in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no 
tickets to buy, no one counting people come in anywhere. So how did



whomever get to that number?

Curious minds

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-24 Thread Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
I was an exhibitor at all these shows in China. In Chenzhou last year the 
government ordered all
Business to close down and all people had paid holidays and free admission to 
the show. Attendance was mandatory. When the government in China orders you to 
attend, you attend. 
One out of every 10-15000 of those people may have bought something. 
China shows have 1% the buyers Tucson has.
Nice try, but why people that don't even attend either show feel the need to 
talk is beyond me. 
Michael Farmer

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Numbers can be deceiving. One must ask what the percentage of vendors 
> (merchants) hosting booths or showrooms at both China and Tucson events offer 
> meteorites and impact related artifacts, and of them, what percentage are 
> authentic?
> 
> Tucson may lose the distinction of being the largest gem and mineral show in 
> the world, but for the interests and purposes of those subscribed to this 
> list, it will never lose the honor of being the BEST show on earth for the 
> meteorite obsessed!
> 
> gary
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List Members,
>> 
>> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer the 
>> world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance 
>> figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less than 
>> 40,000 for Tucson.
>> 
>> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
>> 
>> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show that 
>> has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a 
>> mere 3 years.
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-23 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
Hi Adam and List,

Biggest?  Maybe.  Best?  No.  From what I have heard about Chinese
rock shows - many of the specimens are bogus. Fake Moldavite. Fake
fossils. Fake meteorites. I realize this problem is not restricted to
Chinese shows, but China has made an art-form out of specimen forgery.
I'd have to drag a team of experts with me and have them test any
piece I was thinking about buying.

Best regards,

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On 1/23/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer the
>
> world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance
> figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less than
> 40,000 for Tucson.
>
> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
>
> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show that
> has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a
> mere 3 years.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-23 Thread Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
Doesn't surprise me at all.  Counterfeit medications placed on the American 
market and baby food filled with sawdust are a few examples that come to 
mine.  I had a Chinese made hydrologic floor jack disintegrate while I was 
under a car and spray what smelt like rancid fish-oil all over my coveralls. 
I think they recycled expired fish oil by finding another use for it. 
Luckily, the safety stands held up.  I had a friend throw a beer bottle into 
a brand-new Chinese made cooler and it punched a hole through the inner 
layer exposing shredded Chinese newspapers used for insulation.  This all 
sounds funny but my mother-in-law almost died due to counterfeit medications 
placed on the American market.


Needless to say, I only purchase heavy duty products manufactured by firms 
in reputable countries.  It is amazing what greed can do to product quality 
and authenticity.


I will keep on eye for casting marks on iron meteorites.  Never buy 
electronics that say, "Genuine Chrome Plated Plastic Knobs" or furniture 
made from "Genuine Pleather."


Adam






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Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:38 AM
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Mineral Show




Hi Adam and List,

Biggest?  Maybe.  Best?  No.  From what I have heard about Chinese
rock shows - many of the specimens are bogus. Fake Moldavite. Fake
fossils. Fake meteorites. I realize this problem is not restricted to
Chinese shows, but China has made an art-form out of specimen forgery.
I'd have to drag a team of experts with me and have them test any
piece I was thinking about buying.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 1/23/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Dear List Members,

I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no longer 
the


world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place with attendance
figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 compared to less 
than

40,000 for Tucson.

http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf

Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
that

has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only existed for a
mere 3 years.

Adam




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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-23 Thread almitt2--- via Meteorite-list 

Greetings all,

Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

  Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
:


Dear List Members,

I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no 
longer the world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place 
with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 
compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.


http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf

Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only 
existed for a mere 3 years.


Adam




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Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and Mineral Show

2016-01-23 Thread Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
Frankly Al,

I have been going to the Tucson show since the year 2000, and it seems to be 
just as busy, crowded now as it was then. I hear the same complaints about 
parking.
I would love to know how whomever came up with this number managed to count 
people. There are shows all over the city, and entrance is free, people wander 
in and out of hotels, tents,. There are no tickets to buy, no one counting 
people come in anywhere. So how did whomever get to that number? 

Curious minds

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 12:12 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] China Now Hosts The World's Largest Gem and 
Mineral Show

Greetings all,

Wondering what the attendance of the Tucson show was in the 1990's.
If I had to guess I'd say 200,000 or more. I can remember it being so
much larger than past years I have been able to attend. I remember
trying to find parking spots for a half hour or more. You learn to
walk to places rather than drive down the road a bit or you would hunt
for another parking spot for quite a while. 9-11 changed all of that.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

   Quoting Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:

> Dear List Members,
>
> I was shocked to hear that the Tucson Gem and Mineral show is no 
> longer the world's largest.  It looks like China is in first place 
> with attendance figures of over 380,000 for a four day event in 2015 
> compared to less than 40,000 for Tucson.
>
> http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/newsletters/2015_Jul.pdf
>
> Maybe I should attend this year to add support for this American show 
> that has been running since 1955 while the Chinese show has only 
> existed for a mere 3 years.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
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