Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-23 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 21, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Charles Roper wrote: On 21/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the intention is that the raw markup of a uF be human-readable first. This is a good point; what, exactly, should be human readable first? I always assumed it was the rendered

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-23 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 21, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Charles Roper wrote: Can anyone give any real *disadvantages* to using output compression? If you do it right, none. Some browsers, like IE 5 and maybe 6, have problems with compressed, cached JavaScript and other weird edge cases. However, most HTTP servers

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-22 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 10/21/06, Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give any real *disadvantages* to using output compression? The choice to use compression is one of bandwidth vs. processing time. I have personally had a bad experience with a cut-rate ISP who had some sort of CPU-usage throttling

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:57 PM, Christopher Rines wrote: In my opinion amount is a really difficult one to abbreviate (or any measure for that matter) as it can be used to describe a lot of other things for which there is not yet a microformat but cur (for currency) is interesting as just off

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Rines [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes And yet we have geo. I think comparing geo and sci, etc. is not a great example as I think geo can be thought of as a well known abbreviation. Yes, it clearly identifies rocks, to geologists ;-) But seriously, do you

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-21 Thread Charles Roper
On 21/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet we have geo. I think comparing geo and sci, etc. is not a great example as I think geo can be thought of as a well known abbreviation. Yes, it clearly identifies rocks, to geologists ;-) But seriously, do you really think it's well

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Charles Roper
On 21/10/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the broader point, assuming you use gzip when you care about size, abbreviations don't save much, especially in the many-repeated case discussed. This is one of my primary arguments against using abbreviations. See my original post:

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Can anyone give any real *disadvantages* to using output compression? Perhaps not - but is it always available to people? Not everyone manages (or has access to the management of) the servers on which their content resides.

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-21 Thread Benjamin West
I think this has been mentioned before, but I'll mention it again. From http://microformats.org/wiki/geo: geo is a 1:1 representation of the geo property in the vCard standard (RFC2426 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt)) in XHTML As you can see, the authors of the spec weren't the ones

Re: RE: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-20 Thread Charles Roper
On 20/10/06, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- the tricky thing is that there are no namespaces in Microformats, so if you use cur, sure it is scopped to 'money', but it is now a 'reserved word' for all of microformats. As it was pointed out in a previous message, then what happens to

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-19 Thread Christopher Rines
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] in addition to other things said: Should bin, var, cult, etc., be written in full? (I think not, to save bloating file sizes) These abbreviations are absolutely fine within the very narrow domain of biological nomenclature and

RE: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-19 Thread Mike Schinkel
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Rines Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:45 PM To: microformats-discuss@microformats.org Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Roper [EMAIL

RE: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-19 Thread Christopher Rines
Hey Mike, This is an very good/interesting example... In my opinion amount is a really difficult one to abbreviate (or any measure for that matter) as it can be used to describe a lot of other things for which there is not yet a microformat but cur (for currency) is interesting as just off the