Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Chris Griego
rel-enclosure was ruled out because it's not always a download, but sometimes a way to purchase, right? What if hAudio suggested the use of rel-enclosure for downloads and rel-payment for ways to purchase? -- Chris Griego On 5/8/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin McEvoy wrote:

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Brad Hafichuk
Hey All! This is my first posting to this group, so please let me know if I'm overstepping my bounds. I realize that the audio-info-proposal is still being flushed out, but the description of Aquire clearly states that this is the full-version of the audio recording. I'm making an assumption

[uf-new] An argument against 'fn' in hAudio (was: Second attempt at hAudio proposal)

2007-05-08 Thread Manu Sporny
Manu Sporny wrote: - The use of 'fn' instead of 'work-title'. It has been proposed that 'fn' or 'n' be used instead of 'work-title', or 'title'. What follows is an argument against using 'fn' and 'n' for hAudio. Assumptions: - It is important that we choose the generic names that span all

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 8, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Chris Griego wrote: rel-enclosure was ruled out because it's not always a download, but sometimes a way to purchase, right? What if hAudio suggested the use of rel-enclosure for downloads and rel-payment for ways to purchase? I think this is an excellent idea. In

Re: [uf-new] An argument against 'fn' in hAudio (was: Second attempt at hAudio proposal)

2007-05-08 Thread Brian Suda
On 5/8/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manu Sporny wrote: - The use of 'fn' instead of 'work-title'. It has been proposed that 'fn' or 'n' be used instead of 'work-title', or 'title'. What follows is an argument against using 'fn' and 'n' for hAudio. Assumptions: - It is important

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 8, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Brad Hafichuk wrote: As a runner-up, source seems to be acceptable, as we're used to using src for image (and embeded) media. SOURCE is already a property in vCard [1], though it's not currently used in hCard. In vCard, it's the source of the *information* in

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 09:53 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: Martin McEvoy wrote: - acquire Changed to be a class instead of a rel-attribute. There is still some concern over the name 'acquire'. Primarily in that it doesn't

fn is formatted name (was Re: [uf-new] An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/8/07 8:36 AM, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fn is short for 'full-name' Not quite. In short, fn is short for formatted name. and is grounded in the VCARD/hCard format. Yes, and per http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt section 3.1.1: the formatted text corresponding to the name

Re: [uf-new] An argument against 'fn' in hAudio

2007-05-08 Thread Manu Sporny
Brian Suda wrote: None of this applies to hAudio - and we don't want Microformat implementors confusing how to use 'fn' in hAudio and how to use 'fn' in hCard. --- these are two very different things. This is a non-issue. hCard parsers do onething, and you can defined Media parsers to do

Re: fn is formatted name (was Re: [uf-new] An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Manu Sporny
Tantek Çelik wrote: On 5/8/07 8:36 AM, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fn is short for 'full-name' Not quite. In short, fn is short for formatted name. and is grounded in the VCARD/hCard format. Yes, and per http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt section 3.1.1: the formatted text

Re: [uf-new] An argument against 'fn' in hAudio

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 8, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: Brian Suda wrote: None of this applies to hAudio - and we don't want Microformat implementors confusing how to use 'fn' in hAudio and how to use 'fn' in hCard. --- these are two very different things. This is a non-issue. hCard parsers do

[uf-new] renaming work-title to fn in hAudio (was: An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Manu Sporny
Scott's argument was the final nail in the 'work-title' coffin. Work title has been changed to 'fn' and is reflected on the wiki: http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal#Schema http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal#Formatted_Name -- manu

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On May 8, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Chris Griego wrote: rel-enclosure was ruled out because it's not always a download, but sometimes a way to purchase, right? What if hAudio suggested the use of rel-enclosure for downloads and

Re: [uf-new] renaming work-title to fn in hAudio (was: An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Scott's argument was the final nail in the 'work-title' coffin. Work title has been changed to 'fn' Thereby giving us: div class=haudio span class=contributor hcard span class=fn !-- fn

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Brad Hafichuk
This kind of relates to something I was mulling over. If you link to a third party site, how do you guarantee that you don't get a 404 response? I can't think of any other solution short of periodically pinging that url and checking the response. In theory just checking the content-type and

Re: [uf-new] renaming work-title to fn in hAudio (was: An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 22:08 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Scott's argument was the final nail in the 'work-title' coffin. Work title has been changed to 'fn' Thereby giving us: div class=haudio span

Re: [uf-new] renaming work-title to fn in hAudio (was: An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 23:07 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 22:08 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Scott's argument was the final nail in the 'work-title' coffin. Work title has been changed to 'fn'

Re: [uf-new] renaming work-title to fn in hAudio (was: An argument against 'fn' in hAudio)

2007-05-08 Thread Brad Hafichuk
From what I can tell, the intention is to use the format X-something to describe a parameter that is not registered with IANA. Put differently, IANA reserves all keywords except for those starting with X-. I haven't read-up on the work-title discussion as of yet...so no input as to whether this

Re: [uf-new] hAudio 'acquire' re-naming (Microformats should use nouns for properties)

2007-05-08 Thread Scott Reynen
On May 8, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I can foresee problems. Suppose a publisher links to a third-party site, offering an audio track as a free sample (or vice versa). Later, that latter site decides to start charging for the track - how would the publisher know that their site