Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-25 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 13:38 -0500, Chris Griego wrote: I absolutely agree with Brian's sentiment here that the optional container class names that exist today have very different semantics. That's why I maintained them in my proposed option[1] while also trying to avoid the need for any form

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-24 Thread Chris Griego
I absolutely agree with Brian's sentiment here that the optional container class names that exist today have very different semantics. That's why I maintained them in my proposed option[1] while also trying to avoid the need for any form of namespacing or notation, dot or otherwise, in the class

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-24 Thread Manu Sporny
We need more feedback from the community regarding hset. A small poll has been posted on the various issues surrounding hset. If you can, please note your preference as to how we handle the hset problem: 1. Please go to the following URL: http://www.advancedsurvey.com/ 2. Enter the Survey Number

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-23 Thread Colin Barrett
On May 22, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: using a character that is requires escaping when writing CSS rules etc.) Why would we write CSS rules for hset? For many content authors, one of the main advantages of having data in a microformat is to easily style it with CSS. In fact,

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-23 Thread Manu Sporny
Colin Barrett wrote: On May 22, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: using a character that is requires escaping when writing CSS rules etc.) Why would we write CSS rules for hset? For many content authors, one of the main advantages of having data in a microformat is to easily style it

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-23 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 14:19 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: Brian Suda wrote: On 5/22/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need a way to create the concept of an audio collection (an album). The same can be said for video and images - how do you relate these items to one another?

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-22 Thread Manu Sporny
Chris Griego wrote: With my proposal for hSet: h1span id=internal-event class=hset vcalendarInternal/span and span id=with-client-event class=hset vcalendarWith-Client/span Events/h1 ol li class=with-client-event veventspan class=summaryFOO Sales Pitch/span [...]/li li

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/22/07 9:49 AM, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm sorry, i'm completely lost now. Are we trying to get a solution to a non-problem? did we not discuss the whole namespacing '.' (dot-notation) as a bad idea? has there ever been a time that we have NEEDED a set container in an

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-21 Thread Martin McEvoy
Hello Chris, thanks for your proposal On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 14:50 -0500, Chris Griego wrote: Thanks Manu. I think the purpose of hSet can be achieved with a much simpler approach, nearly simplifying the entire schema of the format to just the 'hset' class name by leveraging conventions. I

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-19 Thread Chris Griego
Before you start on a full-blown proposal, can you create a sample page? I know that personally I'm having trouble mentally translating your pseudo markup into what the HTML markup would actually look like. I think I have some ideas on how this could work more simply as a convention, but without

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-19 Thread Manu Sporny
Chris Griego wrote: Before you start on a full-blown proposal, can you create a sample page? Martin McEvoy already has one set up based on a real-world example: http://weborganics.co.uk/haudio There is also the brainstorming page, look at Option #3:

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-19 Thread Chris Griego
Thanks Manu. I think the purpose of hSet can be achieved with a much simpler approach, nearly simplifying the entire schema of the format to just the 'hset' class name by leveraging conventions. I think my suggestion lies somewhere between the existing Option #3 and #4. Since I haven't kept up

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-18 Thread Manu Sporny
Martin McEvoy wrote: I know there is more mark up but it does use simple class names that every one can understand I agree, it does do the same thing. I'd prefer doing something like what you're suggesting. The only problem that would need to be solved is how we support sparse grouping with

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-17 Thread Manu Sporny
Martin McEvoy wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 14:00 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: using brief, descriptive class names hset is a brief descriptive class name, isn't it? Yes hSet is descriptive my trouble lies in what comes after, you are asking users to invent their own class after that ie,

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-17 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 13:47 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: Martin McEvoy wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 14:00 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: using brief, descriptive class names hset is a brief descriptive class name, isn't it? Yes hSet is descriptive my trouble lies in what comes after, you

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-16 Thread Manu Sporny
Martin, to start off - thanks for updating your hAudio examples page... even though you have issues with the proposal. Personally, I feel that the XHTML is much cleaner now and accomplishes all of the goals listed in the grouping-examples page. However, it would be foolish to press ahead if there

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-16 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 14:00 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: Martin, to start off - thanks for updating your hAudio examples page... even though you have issues with the proposal. Personally, I feel that the XHTML is much cleaner now and accomplishes all of the goals listed in the grouping-examples

Re: [uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 00:57 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: After collecting even more grouping examples and performing analysis on those examples, it is quite evident that we need to support ordered, unordered, sparse and non-sparse grouping. There are several options that have been gathered over

[uf-new] Revisiting grouping problem solution proposal: hset

2007-05-14 Thread Manu Sporny
After collecting even more grouping examples and performing analysis on those examples, it is quite evident that we need to support ordered, unordered, sparse and non-sparse grouping. There are several options that have been gathered over the past month, listed on the grouping-brainstorming page: