On 14/10/07 20:01, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Martin McEvoy wrote:
album-title is NOT mandatory. It is only mandatory when you're listing
one or more TRACKs.
Tracks can be grouped by more than just albums. I'd say album-title should
never be mandatory
-- manu
On 14/10/07 23:47, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin
McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 22:44 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
good point! however, people also refer to items as songs,
Some tracks are songs, others are not. All
album-title is NOT mandatory. It is only mandatory when you're
listing
one or more TRACKs.
Tracks can be grouped by more than just albums. I'd say album-title
should
never be mandatory
Playlists or charts come to my mind, for example.
___
But it may never be recorded let alone released
I might want to mark up a set list for a gig I enjoyed
On 15/10/07 10:55, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, October 15, 2007 10:11, Michael Smethurst wrote:
Some tracks are songs, others are not. All songs, though, are tracks.
On Mon, October 15, 2007 10:07, Michael Smethurst wrote:
I need to mark up performance/set lists for Glastonbury, the Proms
etc
In these cases track would be plain wrong
How so?
Also nested items/haudios would allow you to mark up classical
works/opera (as opposed to
On 15/10/07 10:50, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, October 15, 2007 10:28, Michael Smethurst wrote:
Tracks can be grouped by more than just albums.
Examples, please.
Playlists [1], tracklists [2], set lists [3], works [4]:
[1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/playlist/
[2]
Michael Smethurst wrote:
In these cases track would be plain wrong
Also nested items/haudios would allow you to mark up classical works/opera
(as opposed to perfomances/recordings). In the case of an opera:
Haudio - opera
haudio - act
haudio - scene
haudio - aria
On 10/13/07, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/13/07 1:11 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:48 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
It's my understanding that item in microformats was intended purely
as
a delimiter, with the same - empty - semantic
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 08:50 -0500, David Janes wrote:
On 10/13/07, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/13/07 1:11 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:48 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
It's my understanding that item in microformats was intended
On 10/14/07, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yes I did notice that you have done a lot of work already to support an
item design pattern or submicroformat
On the Wiki Item has been tagged as Moribund?
discussions on the list over the last few days certainly indicates that
an Item
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 17:42 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin
McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 08:50 -0500, David Janes wrote:
Note that a did a moderate amount of work on this last year [1]
yes I did notice that you have done a lot of
On Oct 14, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote:
A container for another hAudio item. Used in conjunction with
album-title.
[snip]
* hAudio MAY have one or more tracks, but MUST have album-title
defined. If album-title is not defined, track cannot be
defined.
Sorry to be
A container for another hAudio item. Used in conjunction with
album-title.
[snip]
* hAudio MAY have one or more tracks, but MUST have album-title
defined. If album-title is not defined, track cannot be
defined.
Sorry to be jumping in late here, but I'm afraid this poses a
Julian and Justin
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:45 +0100, Julian Stahnke wrote:
A container for another hAudio item. Used in conjunction with
album-title.
[snip]
* hAudio MAY have one or more tracks, but MUST have album-title
defined. If album-title is not defined, track
Julian Stahnke wrote:
A container for another hAudio item. Used in conjunction with
album-title.
[snip]
* hAudio MAY have one or more tracks, but MUST have album-title
defined. If album-title is not defined, track cannot be defined.
Sorry to be jumping in late here, but I'm
Track is familiar and common. I believe I'd even recommended its
use at one time. However, it's nothing more than a distortion of
meaning through popular usage -- tracks in a vinyl record
(similar to the use of patch for electronic musical
instrumentation stemming from the days of patch
Thanks for clarifying that -- your follow-up email to Julian helped
illustrate usage as well. It seems a bit odd taxonomically (my
initial reaction is that an album without a name shouldn't be
assigned one for the sake of microformats), but acceptable if it
means we're coming closer to a
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Justin
Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Track is familiar and common.
However, it's nothing more than a distortion of meaning through
popular usage -- tracks in a vinyl record (similar to the use of
patch for electronic musical instrumentation stemming from the
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Julian Stahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don’t think you can make album-title mandatory. Unless you can tell
me what album Martin Luther King’s ‘I have a dream’ speech is on ;)
'Great Speeches of the 20th Century', issues free with the Guardian
newspaper this
Just to give some insight into what I was thinking with hItem:
div class=haudio
span class=fn album contributorCelldweller/span contains
span class=item trackspan class=fnSwitchback/span/span and
span class=item trackspan class=fnSymbiont/span/span.
/div
What does this get you?
(1) forever
On Oct 14, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Julian Stahnke wrote:
A container for another hAudio item. Used in conjunction with
album-title.
[snip]
* hAudio MAY have one or more tracks, but MUST have album-
title
defined. If album-title is not defined, track cannot be
defined.
Sorry to
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Justin
Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
my initial reaction is that an album without a name shouldn't be
assigned one for the sake of microformats
Again: what do publishers do?
*Amazon uses a title: http://tinyurl.com/34gfjo
*Play.com uses a title:
On Oct 14, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
What do you mean by there is no 'track' in data?
I thought we created microformats by looking at evidence, not
considering personal opinions and supposition about what may be
understood at dome unknown point in the future.
Hi Andy,
and i
Justin Maxwell wrote:
and i thought i was helping define a microformat, not practicing my
skill in public debate. so, we're even. :)
You must be new here. This is the New Microformats Community. We don't
actually create Microformats, instead we endlessly debate the meaning of
words and their
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 17:03 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
Justin Maxwell wrote:
and i thought i was helping define a microformat, not practicing my
skill in public debate. so, we're even. :)
You must be new here. This is the New Microformats Community. We don't
actually create Microformats,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin
McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If people refer to a songs or other recording as a track - as the
evidence [1] shows they do - then we should use that.
[1] - http://tinyurl.com/yvekd2
http://tinyurl.com/ywg8qu
http://tinyurl.com/2kq96z
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 22:44 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
good point! however, people also refer to items as songs,
Some tracks are songs, others are not. All songs, though, are tracks.
You may find that all songs are NOT Tracks...
a busker may sing a song for you on a street corner
YOU may
Anyway there is only Me at the moment supporting using *item*
instead of
a new microformat *track*
Nope, I too think item would be better. Maybe, if it is too
meaningless, together with haudio à la span class=item haudio. I
don’t know enough about item to say if just item is enough, but I
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 21:31 +0100, Julian Stahnke wrote:
Anyway there is only Me at the moment supporting using *item*
instead of
a new microformat *track*
Nope, I too think item would be better. Maybe, if it is too
meaningless, together with haudio à la span class=item haudio. I
On 10/13/07 12:48 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin
McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 19:47 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin
McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Item is semantically empty, other
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