CVS checkout testing.

2007-12-10 Thread David Walker
Hiya. I would like to use checkout with a test option (similar to -t on many utilities). I notice in cvs(1) that the non destructive reporting option is: -n I also noticed: -t (trace). Armed with that information I tried: cvs -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs -n -t checkout -P xenocara To which I get:

Secure FTP

2007-12-10 Thread Joe Spenceley
Hi, I've recently had a request from an end user wishing that the time stamp on any files uploaded on to the BSD FTPD will retain their original time stamp. Can anyone help point me in the right direction of an FTP server that can be configured to allow this? Thanks, Joe

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 08:27:33PM -0800, Ray Percival wrote: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (3B48b) Fancy X-Mailer, but isn't non-free and full of patents ;)? So, what Stallman seems to be saying is that preventing users from running the software they choose is more important than respecting

copy root disk from IDE to scsi

2007-12-10 Thread Khalid Schofield
Hi, random question. I've a sun system running obsd 4.2. I though I didn' have a scsi card with openfirmware so I installed on an IDE disk and spent ages configuring the system. It's a mail server also so I don't have the time to have a few hours of down time. How would I go about cloning

Re: Seg fault by cc1 on AMD-K6-2

2007-12-10 Thread Mats Erik Andersson
The solution has been found! The mainboard with the AMD-K6-2 had got into an undocumented multiplier which meant slightly overclocking the processor. When keeping the 66 MHz clock setting and producing 333 MHz processor speed instead of 400 MHz, and where the processor was marked for 350, I ran

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:14 AM, Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 08:27:33PM -0800, Ray Percival wrote: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (3B48b) Fancy X-Mailer, but isn't non-free and full of patents ;)? Yes, it is. Very much so. Also means I don't have to get off the couch when I want to

Re: rouge IPs / user

2007-12-10 Thread Raimo Niskanen
I have a related problem, but I am not sure if the source IPs are nasty computers or just... # lsof -ni:www shows me lots of connections hanging in state CLOSE_WAIT from some hosts (often in China). These used to eat all sockets for httpd. Now I have a max-src-conn limit so it is not a real

Re: cvsweb browsing out of sync with latest src?

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Holland
Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 8:14 AM, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It appears that browsing OpenBSD src/ through cvsweb points to old src, and not the latest one. For eg., http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/ turns up many utilities which

Re: rouge IPs / user

2007-12-10 Thread Joel Wiramu Pauling
Tip. Don't allow password challenge. Problem solved. Just use key'd ssh and this problem disappears. On 11/12/2007, Raimo Niskanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a related problem, but I am not sure if the source IPs are nasty computers or just... # lsof -ni:www shows me lots of

Re: cvsweb browsing out of sync with latest src?

2007-12-10 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Dec 10, 2007 5:20 PM, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 8:14 AM, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It appears that browsing OpenBSD src/ through cvsweb points to old src, and not the latest one. For eg.,

Re: cvsweb browsing out of sync with latest src?

2007-12-10 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Dec 10, 2007 6:02 PM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 5:20 PM, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 8:14 AM, Amarendra Godbole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It appears that browsing OpenBSD src/ through cvsweb

Re: ftp-proxy feature request / tags

2007-12-10 Thread Camiel Dobbelaar
Bryan S. Leaman wrote: OK, I'm trying to accomplish this with tags. However, ftp-proxy is always putting quick in the rules, so no further processing is done and my reply-to tagged rule (located after the anchor) is never matched. Would it make more sense to not use quick when -T tagname

Re: Revision on Macbook Guide

2007-12-10 Thread Thomas Delaet
Thanks a lot for the responses! I would like to experiment with some custom bsd.rd's and see if I can get this to work. Is it possible to boot a Macbook from the network? I installed the rEFIt bootloader. Also, can I capture the kernel output? Kind Regards -- Thomas

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 03:15:46AM +0100, Rico Secada wrote: Hi. I have just listed to the interview of Richard Stallman on BSDTalk: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2007/10/bsdtalk132-richard-stallman.html In the interview he states: I am unhappy with the various distributions of BSD, because

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread L
Lars NoodC)n wrote: In regards to RMS, I have yet to see critique of his ideas, especially n the mainstream media. Some infamous 'mainstream media' critique: http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=Please-Stop-Using-GNU-Licenses

Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Renaud Allard
Hello, I am running OpenBSD 4.2-stable I just noticed that spamd is trying to send ack packets from 127.0.0.1 to the IP of the sender when it hits the greytrap IP. I don't feel this is wanted behavior. Has anymone any idea of why it is doing so? It doesn't seem to be due to the set skip on lo as

Re: Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Renaud Allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just noticed that spamd is trying to send ack packets from 127.0.0.1 to the IP of the sender when it hits the greytrap IP. I don't feel this is wanted behavior. Has anymone any idea of why it is doing so? ACK packets are part of any two-way TCP/IP

ACX on Thinkpad A31

2007-12-10 Thread Chris Eidem
Before I submit a bug report, I want to make sure that I'm doing this right and that it really is the card/laptop/OS combination and not just me. I'm attempting to start a DWL-650+ on a Thinkpad A31 with the following command: ifconfig acx0 -bssid -chan media autoselect -nwid -nwkey up and the

Re: copy root disk from IDE to scsi

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On Dec 10, 2007 5:40 AM, Khalid Schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, random question. I've a sun system running obsd 4.2. I though I didn' have a scsi card with openfirmware so I installed on an IDE disk and spent ages configuring the system. It's a mail server also so I don't have the time

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Marco Peereboom
As usual you just said absolutely nothing. Don't you get tired of your own drivel? We do; very very tired. Your views (whatever they are) are incompatible here so why repeating and contorting the argument over and over again? Its simple you take dictionary definitions, toss them, redefine a

Re: Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Renaud Allard
Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Renaud Allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just noticed that spamd is trying to send ack packets from 127.0.0.1 to the IP of the sender when it hits the greytrap IP. I don't feel this is wanted behavior. Has anymone any idea of why it is doing so? ACK packets

Re: Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Renaud Allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However sending ack packets with an originating IP of 127.0.0.1 to any non local (! 127.0.0.0/8) IP shouldn't happen, yYou're right, that is odd. My reading skills must be sligtly off this afternoon. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC

Re: ACX on Thinkpad A31

2007-12-10 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 09:14:35AM -0600, Chris Eidem wrote: Before I submit a bug report, I want to make sure that I'm doing this right and that it really is the card/laptop/OS combination and not just me. I'm attempting to start a DWL-650+ on a Thinkpad A31 with the following command:

Uncommon behavior after installing -current

2007-12-10 Thread sebastian . rother
I noticed some crazy behavior lately, The box wich I use and where I installed current (for some days) freezes. Well it doesn't stop at all. I can switch the consoles but I can't input anything (like commands). The SSH stays open The behavior is not related to load and it's pretty much

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/10/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 11:57:53PM -0600, Travers Buda wrote: Yes this is quite silly. Stallman insists on free software, and distributions are only acceptable if they shove that software down the users throats in the stead of

Re: Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:24:03PM +0100, Renaud Allard wrote: | Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: | Renaud Allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | I just noticed that spamd is trying to send ack packets from 127.0.0.1 to the IP | of the sender when it hits the greytrap IP. I don't feel this is

Re: Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Paul de Weerd
Hi Renaud, On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:50:36PM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: | Have you actually seen these packets live on the wire ? I re-read your original mail, and it turns out you have seen these packets on the wire. Sorry for the too-quick-answer ;P | I doubt it. In general (the recommended

Re: Secure FTP

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/10/07, Joe Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've recently had a request from an end user wishing that the time stamp on any files uploaded on to the BSD FTPD will retain their original time stamp. Can anyone help point me in the right direction of an FTP server that can be

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Marcus Andree
After reading the pearls of human thought described below, I've just chmod 000 {L,z}505 This guy's just too smart and he's able to see things no one can Better spend my time on a copy of Solitaire that came free on my windows machine. :) I do not agree 100% with Stallman. I've met with him

Re: Spamd sending packets from 127.0.0.1 to the outside?

2007-12-10 Thread Renaud Allard
Paul de Weerd wrote: Hi Renaud, On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:50:36PM +0100, Paul de Weerd wrote: | Have you actually seen these packets live on the wire ? I re-read your original mail, and it turns out you have seen these packets on the wire. Sorry for the too-quick-answer ;P No problem.

Re: Uncommon behavior after installing -current

2007-12-10 Thread Christopher Linn
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:56:39PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed some crazy behavior lately, dmesg?

Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Richard Stallman
It looks like some people are having a discussion in which they construct views they would find outrageous, attribute them to me, and then try to blame me for them. For such purposes, knowledge of my actual views might be superfluous, even inconvenient. However, if anyone wants to know what I do

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/10/07, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lars NoodC)n wrote: In regards to RMS, I have yet to see critique of his ideas, especially n the mainstream media. Some infamous 'mainstream media' critique: [..more of the same: ..] http://z505.com/GNU-Violation-Press-Release1.htm According to the

Re: Uncommon behavior after installing -current

2007-12-10 Thread sebastian . rother
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:56:39PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed some crazy behavior lately, dmesg? Sure :) Just wanted to know if it's known. Not that I may missed a mail at misc@ or so where it was discussed and a solution presented. -- dmesg I recompiled (again) to ensure the

not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
I had some issues with my master ntp server not getting in sync to well and all other equipment sync to it, get very often deny updates because of source out of sync. This master sync about 2 thousands other time devices, witch is not a big load by any mean what so ever. Then looking at it

halt -p: Stopped at gettick+0xec: inb $0x40,%al

2007-12-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
I've got a ServerWorks-based Fujitsu-Siemens Xeon box. At 'halt -p' (with or without acpi) the following happens (no panic). Any suggestions? # halt -p /etc/rc.shutdown in progress... /etc/rc.shutdown complete. sycing disks... done Stopped at gettick+0xec: inb $0x40,%al ddb tr

Re: Revision on Macbook Guide

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/10/07, Thomas Delaet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for the responses! I would like to experiment with some custom bsd.rd's and see if I can get this to work. Is it possible to boot a Macbook from the network? I installed the rEFIt bootloader. Also, can I capture the kernel

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/10/07, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One question particularly relevant for this list is why I don't recommend OpenBSD. It is not about what the system allows. (Any general purpose system allows doing anything at all.) It is about what the system suggests to the user.

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Lars Hansson
Can we please stop this thread now because it is really not interesting at all. --- Lars Hansson

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: It looks like some people are having a discussion in which they construct views they would find outrageous, attribute them to me, and then try to blame me for them. For such purposes, knowledge of my actual views might be

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/10/07, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had some issues with my master ntp server not getting in sync to well and all other equipment sync to it, get very often deny updates because of source out of sync. This master sync about 2 thousands other time devices, witch is not a big

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Steve Shockley
Nick Guenther wrote: From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software (though I am not sure whether it contains any non-free firmware blobs). Um, OpenBSD is the only common OS that is actively against blobs. See http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 We're on the same side

Re: halt -p: Stopped at gettick+0xec: inb $0x40,%al

2007-12-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/12/10 17:06, Stuart Henderson wrote: I've got a ServerWorks-based Fujitsu-Siemens Xeon box. At 'halt -p' (with or without acpi) the following happens (no panic). Ugh. 'reboot', too. Any suggestions? # halt -p /etc/rc.shutdown in progress... /etc/rc.shutdown complete. sycing

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Marco Peereboom wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: The fact that OpenBSD is not a variant of GNU is not ethically important. If OpenBSD did not suggest non-free programs, I would recommend it along with the free GNU/Linux distros. Speaking of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Steve Shockley
Richard Stallman wrote: Since I consider non-free software to be unethical and antisocial, I think it would be wrong for me to recommend it to others. Therefore, if a collection of software contains (or suggests installation of) some non-free program, I do not recommend it. The systems I

Re: font problem with OpenBSD 4.2 [SOLVED]

2007-12-10 Thread Constantine Kousoulos
Martynas Venckus wrote: Good day, For web browsing and mail, i use mozilla-firefox and mozilla-thunderbird installed from the packages. However, neither firefox nor thunderbird displays greek fonts properly. Firefox displays some (not all) greek pages with arabic characters when utf8 encoding

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Nick Guenther wrote: On 12/10/07, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had some issues with my master ntp server not getting in sync to well and all other equipment sync to it, get very often deny updates because of source out of sync. This master sync about 2 thousands other time devices,

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Lars Noodén
Nick Guenther wrote: In fairness, these charges seem overzealous; deliberately misinterpretting the spirit of the GPL. That's actually pretty common and successful tactic of the MSFTers that frequent FreeBSD and troll here occasionaly, too. ... I don't know, though, so I'd like it to be

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Steve Shockley
Lars NoodC)n wrote: Having a way to sift out the non-free stuff during a search of the ports tree would be useful. PERMIT_*=(not Yes)

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Lars Noodén
Steve Shockley wrote: Lars NoodC)n wrote: Having a way to sift out the non-free stuff during a search of the ports tree would be useful. PERMIT_*=(not Yes) Thanks. http://www.openbsd.org/checklist.html -Lars

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 02:01:19PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Lars NoodC)n wrote: Having a way to sift out the non-free stuff during a search of the ports tree would be useful. PERMIT_*=(not Yes) [depending on your definition of '(non-)free'] --

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Doug Fordham
On Dec 10, 2007 12:55 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Speaking of strawman arguments; this is such an insult to ones intelligence. You are basically saying: you are retarded if you

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Jason Beaudoin
RMS, Given what I've read, listened to, and specifically what you've said here: From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software (though I am not sure whether it contains any non-free firmware blobs). However, its ports system does suggest non-free programs, or at least so

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:57:24PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: He's referring to firmware binaries, not software that runs on the host machine's processor. Browse around under: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/microcode/ For example, the Atmel radio firmware's license is

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/12/10, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software (though I am not sure whether it contains any non-free firmware blobs). However, its ports system does suggest non-free programs, or at least so I was told when I looked for some

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Doug Fordham wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 12:55 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Speaking of strawman arguments; this is such an insult to ones intelligence. You are basically saying: you

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 08:58:40PM +0100, Reyk Floeter wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:57:24PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: He's referring to firmware binaries, not software that runs on the host machine's processor. Browse around under:

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Chad M Stewart
On Dec 10, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Just passing what I found and the request of ntp.org in that regard, nothing more. Further down on http://www.pool.ntp.org/vendors.html I found Open source projects Open Source projects are of course particularly welcome to use the pool

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Henning Brauer
* Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10 19:39]: That is sure 100% true. I was just trying to be sensitive to the request of the ntp.org itself asking not to do so. There is multiple zone and as such it would be nice to pick on, just like we pick the timezone when we install the OS,

drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Hi, Looking a the code, I am trying to understand something on some servers that just don't stay sync in the latest kernel (current). I see some changes were done to the drift, and a few other things. What is really the logic in the daemon to actually send a sync message and more

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Henning Brauer wrote: * Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10 19:39]: That is sure 100% true. I was just trying to be sensitive to the request of the ntp.org itself asking not to do so. There is multiple zone and as such it would be nice to pick on, just like we pick the timezone when

complete working ssl config for newbees..... Notes

2007-12-10 Thread badeguruji
After doing a lot of head banging, i was able to get it working (so far) # openssl version OpenSSL 0.9.7j 04 May 2006 # uname -a OpenBSD ironhost.fistofiron.com 4.2 GENERIC#375 i386 # this setting causes lot of errors, hence i have commented it. #prompt = no# this

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 04:07:17PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Hi, Looking a the code, I am trying to understand something on some servers that just don't stay sync in the latest kernel (current). I see some changes were done to the drift, and a few other things. What is really the

Re: Strange line in the routing table after carp failover?

2007-12-10 Thread Charles Price
I've been looking into this some more. Are there any issues which CARP/OpenBGPd when machines in the CARP group do not have an IP address of their own - ie. they have only a shared CARP address? I find that in this situation, when the CARP master fails the backup router correctly becomes

boot hangs at setting tty flags

2007-12-10 Thread Rob Lytle
Hi, I decided to CVSUP this morning and compiled the kernel. Unlike yesterday, the boot hung right after the filesystem mounts/checks. I thought maybe I had better be in sync with Userland, but make build did nothing to rectify the situation. I was very careful in making new /dev's, and also

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Christopher Vance
On Dec 11, 2007 4:29 AM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well what are you going to change it to? OpenBSD is used globally. Perhaps an extra step in the installer, or something implied from setting the timezone, but you can't presume where it will be used like that. Precisely. I have a

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Otto Moerbeek wrote: So, these are the same boxes and only the OS was changed, that's why I am asking. Some archs use timecounter code now for the clock. That code has a lot of benefits, but the range of clock drifts that can be compensated for is not very big. I have an experimental diff here

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On Dec 10, 2007 4:02 PM, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10 19:39]: That is sure 100% true. I was just trying to be sensitive to the request of the ntp.org itself asking not to do so. There is multiple zone and as such it would be nice to

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: One question particularly relevant for this list is why I don't recommend OpenBSD. It is not about what the system allows. (Any general purpose system allows doing anything at all.) It is about what the system suggests to the

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On 12/10/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: claiming products that use binary blobs and GPL-ed code are more free than BSD or ISC stuff is about the dumbest thing i've heard on this list lately, and there's plenty of retarded statements that circulate here. the pot calling the

Re: Strange line in the routing table after carp failover?

2007-12-10 Thread Henning Brauer
* Charles Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10 22:59]: I've been looking into this some more. Are there any issues which CARP/OpenBGPd when machines in the CARP group do not have an IP address of their own - ie. they have only a shared CARP address? I find that in this situation, when the

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Christopher Vance wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 4:29 AM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well what are you going to change it to? OpenBSD is used globally. Perhaps an extra step in the installer, or something implied from setting the timezone, but you can't presume where it will be used like

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Sean Cody
I've seen this happen too but ended up just shutting off ntpd entirely and croned an rdate in it's place. In my case the clock goes WAAY out and even when I fix it it flys way out on the next NTP interval. Even if I restart NTPD the damned thing flies way out again a while later. I'm

Re: Strange line in the routing table after carp failover?

2007-12-10 Thread Charles Price
yes,that is the result of games carp plays with routes (which it shouldn not, imo, but anyway). it should finally work as advertised in -current even with unnumbered carpdevs. Hi Henning, Thanks for the quick response. I will update to -current tomorrow and let you know how I get on. All

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Doug Fordham
On Dec 10, 2007 3:31 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Fordham wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 12:55 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Speaking of strawman arguments; this

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Henning Brauer
* Sean Cody [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-11 00:13]: I've seen this happen too but ended up just shutting off ntpd entirely and croned an rdate in it's place. which is a very bad solution In my case the clock goes WAAY out and even when I fix it it flys way out on the next NTP interval.

Re: boot hangs at setting tty flags

2007-12-10 Thread Rob Lytle
A temporary hack: I changed the following in /etc/rc: echo 'setting tty flags' #ttyflags -a Previously it wasn't commented out. Now who knows what can of worms this hack will open up. Rob. -- Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds Bob Marley,

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Otto Moerbeek wrote: 1. Test the diff below Thanks Otto, That diff definitely help and fix the problem of clock that drift more then what's allow to be corrected. I tested it on two systems, both running current OpenBSD 4.2-current (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 10 17:39:46 EST 2007 And the

openbsd 4.2 + ftp-proxy -T + pf +tag/tagged not working

2007-12-10 Thread S. Scott Sima, CISA, CISM
Using openbsd 4.2, pf and ftp-proxy. ftp-proxy -T tag is not being recognized by pf.conf ruleset. In the NOT WORKING (snip) below, the tcpdump shows the ftp-proxied packets being ignored by the tagged pass rule and hitting on the final block all rule. ftp-proxy invoked as /usr/sbin/ftp-proxy

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: One question particularly relevant for this list is why I don't recommend OpenBSD. It is not about what the system allows. (Any general purpose system allows doing anything at all.) It is about what the system suggests to

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Tasmanian Devil
I also had a similar problem after upgrading to 4.2-release, an upgrade to the snapshot from Nov. 17 didn't help: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=119602370303500w=2 Even though I didn't fix the hardware yet, now with the snapshot from Dec. 4 installed, ntpd synced the clock fine, at least so

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Tasmanian Devil wrote: I also had a similar problem after upgrading to 4.2-release, an upgrade to the snapshot from Nov. 17 didn't help: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=119602370303500w=2 In that link, your clock was off by much, but it keep getting closer to the real clock, so over time

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Tasmanian Devil
I also had a similar problem after upgrading to 4.2-release, an upgrade to the snapshot from Nov. 17 didn't help: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=119602370303500w=2 In that link, your clock was off by much, but it keep getting closer to the real clock, so over time it would have sync.

Default Route Issues

2007-12-10 Thread Bret
Greetings I have the following computer network: Internet - OpenBSD 4.2 --- Internal LAN I I I Wireless Card Wireless Card Soekris 5501 --- Wireless Card

Re: Default Route Issues

2007-12-10 Thread Greg Thomas
You should probably post relevant config files and netstat output. Your drawing didn't come out very well. On Dec 10, 2007 6:58 PM, Bret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings I have the following computer network: Internet - OpenBSD 4.2 --- Internal LAN

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Jason George
I have an older dual P3-800 Compaq server that started losing time very rapidly after upgrading to a -CURRENT snapshot over the weekend. Running anything that threw the machine into a high (10% sustained) system percentage caused the clock to lose an incredible amount of time... to the tune of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:00 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: That being said, the OpenBSD developers have given their arguments why they include firmware and non-free ports, and RMS has given his arguments why he doesn't recommend systems that do. I don't see this thread leading to

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Jason Dixon
On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Uwe Dippel wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:00 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: That being said, the OpenBSD developers have given their arguments why they include firmware and non-free ports, and RMS has given his arguments why he doesn't recommend systems that

Can I specify the bios time offset utc?

2007-12-10 Thread Dongsheng Song
OpenBSD assume bios time is utc, but it's PRC, can I tell OpenBSD the bios time zone? Dongsheng

Re: Can I specify the bios time offset utc?

2007-12-10 Thread Darren Spruell
On Dec 10, 2007 9:58 PM, Dongsheng Song [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD assume bios time is utc, but it's PRC, can I tell OpenBSD the bios time zone? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=111956694726618w=2 DS

Re: not to use pool.ntp.org setup in default configuration.

2007-12-10 Thread Nick Guenther
On Dec 10, 2007 4:02 PM, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-12-10 19:39]: That is sure 100% true. I was just trying to be sensitive to the request of the ntp.org itself asking not to do so. There is multiple zone and as such it would be nice to

apm doesn't sleep/suspend desktop

2007-12-10 Thread Chris Zakelj
Curious problem here, though I'm probably missing something obvious. I have apm enabled through /etc/rc.conf.local (apmd_flags=), and when I issue 'shutdown -h -p now', the system powers off correctly. However, if I try to use sleep or suspend ('apm -S' or 'apm -z'), the system acts like

Re: Can I specify the bios time offset utc?

2007-12-10 Thread Dongsheng Song
Thanks, but I can NOT open the page, could you excerpt for me ? 2007/12/11, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Dec 10, 2007 9:58 PM, Dongsheng Song [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD assume bios time is utc, but it's PRC, can I tell OpenBSD the bios time zone?

Re: Can I specify the bios time offset utc?

2007-12-10 Thread Darren Spruell
On Dec 10, 2007 10:58 PM, Dongsheng Song [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 9:58 PM, Dongsheng Song [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD assume bios time is utc, but it's PRC, can I tell OpenBSD the bios time zone? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=111956694726618w=2 Thanks, but I

Re: openbsd 4.2 + ftp-proxy -T + pf +tag/tagged not working

2007-12-10 Thread Camiel Dobbelaar
S. Scott Sima, CISA, CISM wrote: Using openbsd 4.2, pf and ftp-proxy. ftp-proxy -T tag is not being recognized by pf.conf ruleset. In the NOT WORKING (snip) below, the tcpdump shows the ftp-proxied packets being ignored by the tagged pass rule and hitting on the final block all rule.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Lars Noodén
Jason Dixon wrote: Nobody is criticizing RMS over his opinion. They are criticizing him for ignorance and misrepresentation of the facts regarding OpenBSD. And the solution for that is to point out the factors which differentiate OpenBSD from the others, because it is these characteristics

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-10 Thread Tito Mari Francis Escaño
2007/12/11 Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:00 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: I don't see a need to reconcile the two sides. (It would be good if that was possible, though.) Unfortunately, BSD and GNU come from different perspective, hence different philosophy of what free

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 03:10:52AM +, Jason George wrote: I have an older dual P3-800 Compaq server that started losing time very rapidly after upgrading to a -CURRENT snapshot over the weekend. Running anything that threw the machine into a high (10% sustained) system percentage

Re: drift in ntpd may not catch up on bad clock and keep slipping.

2007-12-10 Thread Jason George
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 03:10:52AM +, Jason George wrote: I have an older dual P3-800 Compaq server that started losing time very rapidly after upgrading to a -CURRENT snapshot over the weekend. Running anything that threw the machine into a high