Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/3/08, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm following the same principles that I apply to others. I've explained both these principles and my actions; the readers can judge all aspects for themselves. I guess I missed the part where you explained how it makes sense to apply a

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. Yet you have no idea whether these people are

CCC 2007 / 202c

2008-01-04 Thread Lars Noodén
Some here were at CCC 2007. How was it and what plans are there to correct the recent anti-competency legislation rolled out in Germany? Regards, -Lars

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Siju George
On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove from the cc's of your messages. Who knows? Perhaps He gets Paid for it, and for this violent defense of insanity from all the misused funds of FSF Otherwise why should he

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Jacob Grydholt Jensen
On 04/01/2008, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin: http://www.gnu-darwin.org/index.php?page=ports Who also contains instructions to install the such port system. Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Karl Sjodahl - dunceor
On Jan 4, 2008 9:14 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the cc's of your messages. FYI, I continually remove people from the CC

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:15:08PM +0530, Siju George wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove from the cc's of your messages. Who knows? Perhaps He gets Paid for it, and for this violent defense of

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:08:12PM -0700, L wrote: That is an insult! Why are you being so mean to Marco? Right, his extreme insults are meaningless and unprovocative. And why are you being so mean to me too? I read this list too! You are insulting me! Right, did the hat fit? Because I said

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 08:20:50AM +0200, Dusty wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra only ever contributes to this list when its in a flame war, and always to take up a contrary point of view. He has proved only one thing. Trolls do exist and their primary form of communication is to point and

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/4/08, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly, your accusation that I only participate in flame-wars is blatantly false. Secondly, most of my posts on the flame-wars where trying to clear-up false statements from some people. Thirdly, some of my posts on the

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Craig Skinner
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 11:02:09AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open your big fat lying mouth. Since you did it three times so rapidly, I am calling you a liar. And since you refuse to undo your commercial support in

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-04 Thread Craig Skinner
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:29:38AM +0100, Erik Wikstr??m wrote: file-server which will contain stuff with some emotional value, data- loss. Houses burn. Dump/tar scp/ftp offsite to your box or web space.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it. If one doesn't want to hear what outsiders want to say, then perhaps posting should be restricted to list members. Rui -- This statement is false. Today

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread weingart
In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote: I'll put up a website with all the details and pictures... I'll call it 'Put Up Or Shut Up' Anyone who wants a crack at recovering data from the drive may do so (as long as they pay the shipping charges both ways). If they can name one file that

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Karl Sjodahl - dunceor
On Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it. If one doesn't want to hear what outsiders want to say, then perhaps posting

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:56:12AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote: I'll put up a website with all the details and pictures... I'll call it 'Put Up Or Shut Up' Anyone who wants a crack at recovering data from the drive may do so (as long as they

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-04 Thread Henning Brauer
* Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-04 03:55]: I thought that there was a trend in the industry away from tapes toward hard-drive-based systems, e.g. virtual tape libraries that are basically large file servers with far more capacity than throughput. yes, because decision makers tend

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message
[This message was generated by an automated system.] I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. I am located somewhere on Earth, but as far as responding to email is concerned, I appear to be well outside the solar system. After your message arrives at gnu.org, I will

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On Dec 14, 2007 9:49 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You *can't relicense* code under your choice without the author consent period! That BSD license gives permission for almost any kind of use, including distributing the code under other licenses. I don't think so. The

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:19:03AM -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: i couldn't help but notice his initials are RMSS, not so far from RMS. perhaps this is a nome de plume for that other weaselly contrarian, mr. stallman. Yet you couldn't help notice the relation with the name as being more

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Siju George
On Jan 4, 2008 2:52 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:15:08PM +0530, Siju George wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove from the cc's of your messages.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/4, David Vasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sounds like he is hiding somewhere in Tora Bora. Regards, David Actually I got that message in a private conversation with him as well, he do reply within 48 hours time frame so I don't think he is hiding in Tora Bora. -- Please avoid sending me

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Chris Eidem
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:21 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men Daniel Ouellet wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:33:26PM -0700,

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread Craig Skinner
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:01:44PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Yet, I'm the asshole ? Aye, a right prick.

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-04 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:47:11AM -0500, Nick Guenther wrote: On 1/3/08, knitti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/3/08, Marius Hooge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally don't recommend backups to CD/DVD. They degenerate rather quickly depending on their quality and the storage

Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
Hello, We're all tired of explaining to Richard Stallman about how he's wrong. It somehow isn't registering with him, that, or he's not willing to accept his position of being wrong. Either ways, by replying to his emails we are creating more noise than required and giving him more importance

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:44:59PM +0530, Siju George wrote: :-) that was to the guy who called you a troll right? I said perhaps you are a paid FSF mercenary or as you accused me delusional :-) I wish I was paid to only work on Free Software, I'd be much more productive. Rui -- Today is

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Dusty wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra only ever contributes to this list when its in a flame war, and always to take up a contrary point of view. He has proved only one thing. Trolls do exist and their primary form of communication is to point and grunt. What Rui says is so stupid, its not even

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Furman
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:35:11 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 04:08:08PM -0800, Marco S Hyman wrote: As for disk destruction... I don't know nor pretend to know what can and can not be recovered. Take a look at

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread David Vasek
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message wrote: [This message was generated by an automated system.] I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. I am located somewhere on Earth, but as far as responding to email is concerned, I appear to be well outside

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:35:16PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Could we all please stop responding to his emails as well as emails from trollers like Rui Seabra? F.Y. You are the troll. Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174 + No

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/4, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:08:12PM -0700, L wrote: That is an insult! Why are you being so mean to Marco? Right, his extreme insults are meaningless and unprovocative. And why are you being so mean to me too? I read this list too! You

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Andrés
Rui, I kindly ask you to not remove Richards's e-mail, since he is as interested as everyone else who follows this thread. Richard does not receive duplicated e-mail, since he is not in misc@openbsd.org, so don't hesitate to add him. Greetings.

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/3/08 10:55 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: I think you have misinterpreted the principles that I believe in and live by. You certainly don't live by what you preach. You are pointed at not one but various facts to the contrary. It would be good if you admitted so and stepped over to the

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread misc
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:21:27 -0500, Harpalus a Como [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Myth? Why are you so upset about this? It's not myth. The techniques involved in recovering data in the manner Marco and the NSA, DoD, and many others describe isn't a matter of running a simple software tool. It's a

WAY OT:Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Eric Furman
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:08:08 -0800, Marco S Hyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Brad Tilley writes: performed from the OpenBSD 4.2 install CD. I'll send it to the one 'ISO Certified' company that agreed to examine it. If they cannot You keep throwing around the 'ISO Certified' tag as if it had

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Stuart VanZee
Just a little point. Sometimes precautions are taken not so much for the sake of what can be done today but what someone might figure out how to do in the future. I am not an engineer, but the explanation that I have heard of how data is read from a wiped drive sounds plausable (if not possible)

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Miod Vallat
FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. Yet you have no idea whether these people are subscribed to these mailing lists. If they are not, why do their emails get into the mailing list? Because they sent it to it. Some moderator enjoys letting flames come

Re: WAY OT:Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread new_guy
Diana Eichert wrote: Eric if you were in MI (I really want to make a joke, but I won't) then you know that techniques related to data recovery from hard drives would be classified. The intelligence community is not prone to publicaly publish whitepapers on their operations. diana I

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Steve Shockley
Greg Thomas wrote: Myth? Have you read this: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html? You still haven't convinced me as to why I should believe a tax analyst's rebuttal to a data security analyst's paper. Feenberg has no expertise in this area, and Gutmann does.

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/4/08 3:03 AM, Greg Thomas wrote: On Jan 3, 2008 5:21 PM, Harpalus a Como [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myth? Have you read this: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html? Why are you so upset about this? Myth's that compel people to waste time and energy should be

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thursday 03 January 2008, Dusty wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra only ever contributes to this list when its in a flame war, and always to take up a contrary point of view. He has proved only one thing. Trolls do exist and their primary form of communication is to point and grunt. What Rui

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On Jan 3, 2008 10:49 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free software foundation shall not be called free software foundation.. it shall be called Stallmanist Foundation and the philosophies are to be outlined as Stallmanism.. not free software. If you want to campaign

Re: WAY OT:Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Diana Eichert
this is way off OT but I'll reply anyway. :-) On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Eric Furman wrote: You throw out this document like it proves anything. I was in the military. I was in Military Intelligence (yes, I know. Hold the jokes) I also had some experience with the degaussing and destruction of disks.

Re: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra

2008-01-04 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/4/08, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet, I'm the asshole ? Will wonders never cease? You got it right for once. Congrats! Now quit while you're ahead.

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/3/08 11:35 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:10:59PM +0100, knitti wrote: .. this is becoming OT, but I can't recommend storing HDDs as real backup solution either. HDDs _do_ have bitrot, and one should at least, say, once a year, verify that the *whole* disk is

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
I actually prefer that it does continue. I note that Richard also says that AROS is a free operating system. Oh really? Did he not notice the web page where AROS includes software which emulates an Amiga perfectly, and to do this talks about stealing the ROM from a real Amiga machine? Is

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-04 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 11:40:44PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On 1/3/08, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that there was a trend in the industry away from tapes toward hard-drive-based systems, e.g. virtual tape libraries that are basically large file servers with far more

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Siju George
On Jan 4, 2008 10:38 PM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are no Academic. You don't belong anywhere near MIT campus. You just plain don't know how to do research, and then you go around spreading mistruths. Richard, you are such a hypocrite. You don't matter any more in this

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Denis Doroshenko
that's right, it's there! eh, Richard, my mom told me once that it is the best thing to tell truth, even when the truth is salty, as when you start to lie, you cannot stop and eventually you get all your lies exposed. Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22

Advice requested on security issues

2008-01-04 Thread Rusty Gadd
I am seeking advice on the security aspects of the configuration of my home system. I have 2 PC's, connected to the internet via a firewalled NAT router. The main PC is an i386 P4 used for general computing, the second is an older i386 P3 which I intend to dedicate to internet banking for maximum

Re: Improving disk reliability

2008-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/4/08 6:22 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: How well do tapes written with one drive read on another? Good, provide you use serious designed tape drives. Presuably, drives don't last for 30 years. .. How robust are the drives? How well do they age? It's difficult to speak for other

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/4/08 7:14 PM, Siju George wrote: http://redfox.redfoxcenter.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=15560 is the man who is spreading all these lies about other decent Free Software developers. If you haven't seen him yet! Don't forget to take a look at the unforgettable all talk no action

Is Visiting the gnewsense website or downloading it actively promoting the use of non-free software?

2008-01-04 Thread Siju George
Dear RMS, from the data I get from below http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.gnewsense.org I just wonder if the gnewsense OS is being distributed through the very non free OSes http://www.gnewsense.org/FAQ/FAQ#toc3 you denounce. Perhaps the website is run by gnewsense

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Maxim Bourmistrov
Yes, as this continues you have to say something Theo, but. I personally prefer the moto If you want it right - you have to do it yourself. So please Theo stop wasting your time and continue with your development of OpenBSD. The energy you wasting to reply this flame is taken from OpenBSD

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread weingart
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: I can do two more: . and .. Damn. Split it with you 3 ways... :) -Toby. -- [100~Plax]sb16i0A2172656B63616820636420726568746F6E61207473754A[dZ1!=b]salax

Puffy 'Wizard of OS' (Was: Re: Richard Stallman...)

2008-01-04 Thread Ken Ismert
chefren wrote (shortened): Don't forget to take a look at the unforgettable all talk no action character with GNU horns behind the curtain on the paperwork of the OpenBSD 3.7 release CD. http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#37 OK, I promised myself I wouldn't respond again to this thread or its

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread K K
If you never write cleartext, there is nothing to recover. http://dlock.com.tw/ Kevin (P.S. I might be a satisfied dLock customer, if only they'd make it easier to buy their product!)

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:26:12PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me

Re: CCC 2007 / 202c

2008-01-04 Thread dermiste
On Jan 4, 2008 9:20 AM, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some here were at CCC 2007. How was it and what plans are there to correct the recent anti-competency legislation rolled out in Germany? go check www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de. (If that's what you're referring to) I don't have much

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me it is proprietary when I can't run it in a commercial context. you

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension, for what I said is that restrictions against commercial usage make it proprietary, not that I need that piece of software. you still don't get to

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-04 Thread Paul de Weerd
For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note that both mails were CC:'ed to misc@ (so they were intended to end up on the list. As such, i don't think using them inline here is a problem) On Thu, Jan 03,

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:45PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension, for what I said is that restrictions against commercial usage make it proprietary,

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 4, 2008, at 14:26, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me it is

Re: Is Visiting the gnewsense website or downloading it actively promoting the use of non-free software?

2008-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/4/08 7:51 PM, Siju George wrote: http://www.gnewsense.org/FAQ/FAQ#toc3 Ah, don't forget to look here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2007-11/msg00042.html with: as we go along we find out now and then that we've got non-free software. Some scripts have been

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: know what proprietary means. if you don't understand the big words, stop using them. you also totally failed to comprehend the license. No, I understood it quite well. Yes, no I did not understood it nor not quite never well. what i find even more

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Neither do you that's insulting.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Johan Mson Lindman
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:45PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension, for what I said is that restrictions against

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread L
Just FYI about security of deleted data.. I purchase used computers for parts every so often. Many of them have working hard drives in them. For fun, I analyze the hard drive out and see what I can find.. just as a little game of mine. When I run my undelete/recovery tools on them I can

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Jon
Ok.. well seeing how I got 2 usefull responses after some 30 emails with most others just randomly emailing _crap_ I decided to search the web based on the suggestions from Hannah. (the first responder) I think I am going to try working with THC-SecureDelete

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:29:38PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 07:35:16PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Could we all please stop responding to his emails as well as emails from trollers like Rui Seabra? F.Y. You are the troll. Why didn't you answer my

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 03:55:41PM -0800, Jon wrote: Ok.. well seeing how I got 2 usefull responses after some 30 emails with most others just randomly emailing _crap_ I decided to search the web based on the suggestions from Hannah. (the first responder) I think I am going to try working

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-04 Thread dermiste
On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note that both mails were CC:'ed to misc@ (so they were intended to end up on the list. As such,

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-04 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On Jan 4, 2008 5:47 PM, dermiste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 11:41 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, earlier mail on the strawllman-thread did not make it to the list. I'm copying parts of some of these mails inline. Note that both mails were CC:'ed to

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On Jan 4, 2008 3:55 PM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok.. well seeing how I got 2 usefull responses after some 30 emails with most others just randomly emailing _crap_ I decided to search the web based on the suggestions from Hannah. (the first responder) I think I am going to try working

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Jon
rm -P wont work... I looking to clean up deleted data ... not securely delete a file. On Jan 4, 2008 5:45 PM, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 3:55 PM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok.. well seeing how I got 2 usefull responses after some 30 emails with most others just

Re: delete deleted data

2008-01-04 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/5, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rm -P wont work... I looking to clean up deleted data ... not securely delete a file. Just create a file and filling it with /dev/zero until it takes up all the free spaces, then rm -P that file. Or just use an encrypted file system next time you set up an

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-04 Thread Unix Fan
Maxim Bourmistrov wrote: Yes, as this continues you have to say something Theo, but. I personally prefer the moto If you want it right - you have to do it yourself. So please Theo stop wasting your time and continue with your development of OpenBSD. The energy you wasting to

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-04 Thread L
Todd Alan Smith wrote: When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer see a kernel contributor being a taxi driver than administrating

Re: Advice requested on security issues

2008-01-04 Thread Nick Holland
Rusty Gadd wrote: I am seeking advice on the security aspects of the configuration of my home system. I have 2 PC's, connected to the internet via a firewalled NAT router. The main PC is an i386 P4 used for general computing, the second is an older i386 P3 which I intend to dedicate to

Re: how to create package example..

2008-01-04 Thread Jon
Not doing any thing strange.. just want to create a binary (foobar) and create a package so I can add it.** Why I want to do that is not the question. I know I can tar the install location with +CONTENT and +DESC etc.. and get done with it.. I would like to know how to use pkg_create or the

how to create a sha256 hash

2008-01-04 Thread Jon
hi how to create a sha256 value for file in openbsd ? can you please provide the command similar to sha1 foobar or md5 foobar thanks

Re: how to create a sha256 hash

2008-01-04 Thread Jason George
hi how to create a sha256 value for file in openbsd ? can you please provide the command similar to sha1 foobar or md5 foobar man cksum

Re: how to create a sha256 hash

2008-01-04 Thread Antti Harri
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Jon wrote: how to create a sha256 value for file in openbsd ? can you please provide the command similar to sha1 foobar From sha1(1): The sha1 command is shorthand for cksum -a sha1 The cksum(1) command can also be used to compute digests

Re: how to create package example..

2008-01-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:24:03PM -0800, Jon wrote: Not doing any thing strange.. just want to create a binary (foobar) and create a package so I can add it.** Why I want to do that is not the question. I know I can tar the install location with +CONTENT and +DESC etc.. and get done with

Re: how to create a sha256 hash

2008-01-04 Thread Mike Erdely
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:30:36PM -0800, Jon wrote: hi how to create a sha256 value for file in openbsd ? can you please provide the command similar to sha1 foobar or md5 foobar man 1 cksum

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
The wget he uses is worse. You can download any non-free software with it and it does not warn the user at all!!! I don't object to general-purpose tools just for being general.

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by using a wget daemon through e-mails whose own web-site looks like... well... Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.3.10-22 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e) I use wget for personal

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
But I think the FPGAs in products are more like the possible computer in my microwave oven: nobody installs software in them, so they might as well be circuits. Really? All those wifi/raid/cpu/etc cards/chips out there that need firmware, you think they're not a mix of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
Before you argue that ReactOS is merely a free implementation of Win32 API, let me clarify: if the purpose of ReactOS isn't to run some Windows-only software S, then what is the purpose of ReactOS? if S was free, it wouldn't be Windows-only as it would have ported to free OS's.

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
If something is harder to copy, it is ethically ok to have a different standard for this piece of technology. Seriously, that's what you're saying above. Because hardware may have to be copied by hand, you consider them ethically not the same. Yes, that's my position, for 20

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
My favorite organization, the FSF, was not involved. If any of my friends were involved, they did not inform me. Good friends you have then. More likely they aren't my friends. You may have noticed that the Linux developers disagree with my philosophy. I know very few of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
http://directory.fsf.org/project/Windows32API/ http://directory.fsf.org/project/wxwindows/ http://wxwindows.org/about/credits.htm see the acknowledgment from one of the softwares endorsed by FSF your favourite organization.

FW: Re: how to create package example..

2008-01-04 Thread Mike Erdely
Forgot to CC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded message from Mike Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 00:55:00 -0500 From: Mike Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: how to create package example.. To: Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download ports.tar.gz. Extract it in /usr. Look at

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-04 Thread L
And as a gardener, I'm not sure software will be my first source of problems. L, the above quoted text is not mine. You need to be more careful in the configuration of your replies. I, for one, would appreciate it. Todd Sincere apologies.. It was a double and your name should

Re: how to create a sha256 hash

2008-01-04 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:30:36PM -0800, Jon wrote: hi how to create a sha256 value for file in openbsd ? See the -a option to cksum(1). or Type apropos sha256 at the prompt, pick something that looks promising (e.g., SHA256_Init) and open its man page. Don't get dejected if the first thing

Re: Advice requested on security issues

2008-01-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On 1/4/08, Rusty Gadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1: The P3 will only ever connect to bank websites, which I have to assume are 'clean' (I might be able to disable scripting for some sites). However malware may conceivably infect the main PC. Am I right in assuming I need to run PF within OBSD on

Re: Open Source Article Spawns Interesting Ethical Question

2008-01-04 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On Jan 4, 2008 10:14 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd Alan Smith wrote: When someone asked him how to make a living of IT without using or promoting non-free software, his answer was that you don't have to work in the IT field to contribute to free software, and he'd prefer see a

Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Tony Abernethy
keeps objecting that he doesn't object.

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