Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-29 Thread Stuart Longland
On 27/8/20 2:12 pm, andrew fabbro wrote: >> “It is a fairly specific workflow that is a challenge for some newer >> developers to engage with. As an example, my partner submitted a patch >> to OpenBSD a few weeks ago, and he had to set up an entirely new mail >> client which didn’t mangle his

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-29 Thread Stuart Longland
On 27/8/20 7:27 am, Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen wrote: > Sort of related, I dust off an exchange/outlook rant of mine from a little > while back (most of it still applies, unfortunately): > https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2011/02/problem-isnt-email-its-microsoft.html >

Plaintext vs HTML in email [was Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source]

2020-08-29 Thread Stuart Longland
On 27/8/20 6:17 am, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > On 8/26/20 3:08 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:28:00PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> Text-only was great in 1985. >>> >>> >> >> And it's still pretty badass in 2020. >> I really love the way company networks are brought down by

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-28 Thread Guy Godfroy
Let's send patches through Teams or Discord. I think this is the way to go. On 26/08/2020 10:28, Frank Beuth wrote: "Linux kernel development  which is driven by plain-text email discussion  needs better or alternative collaborative tooling "to bring in new contributors and maintain and

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-27 Thread Sean Kamath
> On Aug 27, 2020, at 01:16, Janne Johansson wrote: > It doesn't matter if it was "change spaces to tabs", "html made carriage > returns where a space was found" or if it was "make two - - chars into one > single utf-8 -- token" or "spell check/correction edited fnd_trgl_dsk() to >

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-27 Thread Frank Beuth
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 05:44:12PM -0700, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Why OpenBSD is to blame when Gmail -- after so many years -- still doesn't have proper support for sending text-based attachments the right way? Because large corporations are always right, and the idea is to bend the

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-27 Thread Janne Johansson
Den ons 26 aug. 2020 kl 21:17 skrev Mike Hammett : > Text-only was great in 1985. > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > Being able to publish and/or send a really small file from computer A to computer B unchanged in this day and age

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread andrew fabbro
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:36 AM Frank Beuth wrote: > “It is a fairly specific workflow that is a challenge for some newer > developers to engage with. As an example, my partner submitted a patch > to OpenBSD a few weeks ago, and he had to set up an entirely new mail > client which didn’t mangle

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 2020-W35-3 08:28 +, Frank Beuth wrote: "Linux kernel development which is driven by plain-text email discussion needs better or alternative collaborative tooling "to bring in new contributors and maintain and sustain Linux in the future," says Sarah Novotny, Microsoft's representative

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Umgeher Torgersen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 04:17:48PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > On 8/26/20 3:08 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:28:00PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Text-only was great in 1985. > >> > >> > > > > And it's still pretty badass in 2020. > > I really love the way company

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Aaron Mason
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 7:27 AM Chris Bennett wrote: > > I was recently told by a youngster that I was a total idiot for working > my way through the new CSS to understand it well. I needed to go > straight over to some Framework that assumes I am stupid, which I > would be if I didn't take the

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Luke A. Call
On 08-26 21:47, Pierre-Philipp Braun wrote: > > Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. > > If they don't, why not change providers? > > It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server > > for next to nearly free. > > That is not as easy as it was, mainly

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Sean Kamath
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:08, Chris Bennett > wrote: > > Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. > If they don't, why not change providers? > It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server > for next to nearly free. I encourage everyone to do this, but

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen
> > “It is a fairly specific workflow that is a challenge for some newer > developers to engage with. As an example, my partner submitted a patch to > OpenBSD a few weeks ago, and he had to set up an entirely new mail client > which didn’t mangle his email message to HTML-ise or do other

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:47:24PM +0200, Pierre-Philipp Braun wrote: > > Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. > > If they don't, why not change providers? > > It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server > > for next to nearly free. > > That is not

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Pierre-Philipp Braun
Can't get your email to go plain text, attachments work. If they don't, why not change providers? It's a bit of work, but almost anyone can setup their own email server for next to nearly free. That is not as easy as it was, mainly because of IP reputation. If you have your own MX and

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 8/26/20 3:08 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:28:00PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Text-only was great in 1985. >> >> > > And it's still pretty badass in 2020. > I really love the way company networks are brought down by a little > helpful Javascript in an HTML email. I

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Chris Bennett
e Brothers WISP > > - Original Message - > > From: "Frank Beuth" > To: misc@openbsd.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:28:50 AM > Subject: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source > > "Linux kernel development which is driv

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Text-only was great in 1985. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Frank Beuth" To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:28:50 AM Subject: Microsoft's war on

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Ian Darwin
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 02:37:24AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote: > "... he had to set up an entirely new mail client which didn’t mangle his > email message to HTML-ise... That’s a barrier to entry that’s pretty > high..." > > Wow. Life's rough. Surely easier than RTFMing to find out how to send

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread James Huddle
She never really says how old her "partner" is. Perhaps he is a developer who has literally "...grown up in the last five or ten years..." On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM Rafael Possamai wrote: > >- Original message - > >From: Greg Thomas > > > >"... he had to set up an entirely new

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Rafael Possamai
>- Original message - >From: Greg Thomas > >"... he had to set up an entirely new mail client which didn’t mangle his >email message to HTML-ise... That’s a barrier to entry that’s pretty >high..." > >Wow. Life's rough. Most desktop/web email clients I've ever used have plain-text mode

Re: Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Greg Thomas
"... he had to set up an entirely new mail client which didn’t mangle his email message to HTML-ise... That’s a barrier to entry that’s pretty high..." Wow. Life's rough. On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:31 AM Frank Beuth wrote: > "Linux kernel development which is driven by plain-text email >

Microsoft's war on plain text email in open source

2020-08-26 Thread Frank Beuth
"Linux kernel development which is driven by plain-text email discussion needs better or alternative collaborative tooling "to bring in new contributors and maintain and sustain Linux in the future," says Sarah Novotny, Microsoft's representative on the Linux Foundation board. Said tooling