Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-30 Thread Anathae E. Townsend
snip indent The author of the linked article kind of lost me at as soon as a service is enabled or software from the ports tree is installed. Well SHEEIII, who knew. I better run out right now and replace all my firewalls with iLinux. I had no idea that it was up to me to

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-25 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
On 01/23/2010 01:02 AM, Steve Shockley wrote: On 1/22/2010 12:13 PM, Dan Harnett wrote Nowhere in the article is proof provided that OpenBSD is insecure. Sure there is; OpenBSD uses Sendmail and BIND, and they've had lots of vulnerabilities! http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#HowAbout

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Marco Peereboom
It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit. Here is an example: 1. running system with OMGACL 2. pkg_add -ui 3. couple of days later at 3am bz got come to the datacenter because the app bombed 4. oh, the acl terminated it; adjust 5. repeat 3 - 4 until it works 6. repeat

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22 -0600, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit. Here is an example: 1. running system with OMGACL 2. pkg_add -ui 3. couple of days later at 3am bz got come to the datacenter because the app

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Dan Harnett
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:22:58AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit. I couldn't agree more. BTW, microsoft implemented every single ACL type mechanism the NSA ever made public. Tell me again how well it worked for them. More

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Scott Learmonth
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:13:38PM -0500, Dan Harnett wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:22:58AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit. I couldn't agree more. BTW, microsoft implemented every single ACL type mechanism the NSA ever

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread John Jackson
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:56:14AM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ -zamri- Sometimes the add-on security enhancements directly weaken system security: http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9191

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:13:38PM -0500, Dan Harnett wrote: I also do not understand why strlcpy and strlcat are causing the author so much grief. This person didn't seem to know they existed before writing the article. I work in an ISP environment and it has caused zero issues to both

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread J Sisson
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ -zamri- That's a great article...I mean, I'd rather go get shots the day after hiring a hooker instead of wearing a

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Bennett
What a laugh. I hope all of you see that this article has to be a hoax. Oh well, I certainly learned a lot from this. find / -name .* -print /etc/changelist chmod -R / I feel so much safer! -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread ropers
2010/1/22 Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ The OpenBSD approach to security is primarily focused on writing quality code, with the aim being to eliminate vulnerabilities in source code. To this

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Scott McEachern
ropers wrote: 2010/1/22 Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ So... the author prefers shoddy, buggy, non-quality code as long as it provides extra access control granularity. Yeah... I

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-22 Thread Steve Shockley
On 1/22/2010 12:13 PM, Dan Harnett wrote Nowhere in the article is proof provided that OpenBSD is insecure. Sure there is; OpenBSD uses Sendmail and BIND, and they've had lots of vulnerabilities!

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-21 Thread Aaron Mason
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ -zamri- An interesting read - but seems to just be ACLs, ACLs, ACLs and that's about it. And this person's source on

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-21 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:56 +0800, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ I know, I know a troll, but I'll bite. This is laughable because of his examples and lack of actual good ones. OpenVMS

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-21 Thread STeve Andre'
On Thursday 21 January 2010 21:56:14 Zamri Besar wrote: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ -zamri- This should have been posted to advocacy, not misc. Actually, it doesn't truly belong there, either. There seems to be enough

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

2010-01-21 Thread Dan Harnett
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 02:47:27PM +1100, Aaron Mason wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote: The insecurity of OpenBSD http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ -zamri- An interesting read - but seems to just be