On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote:
You could makefs on /dev/sd0c instead. Nothing really forces you to
create other slices (or partitions) on the device.
Bad advice. disklabel does not record some redundant information for
the c partitiion. Which may bite
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:42:26 -0500 electronmuontau neutrino
emtneutr...@gmail.com wrote:
I have an Acer Aspire One D250 running snapshot (2010-01-20). The
mouse will work for a couple of seconds and then freeze. This has
occured when running wsmoused in a console(not in X), inside of X, and
Andrej Elizarov wrote:
follow the docs instead of trying to be clever and creating problems you
don't know how to solve?
hey, how else can i learn some?
But you didn't learn, you only created more work for you and others.
If you had started first with the correct working unclever way and
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 05:50:57PM +, leona...@sympatico.ca wrote:
I have been tracking openbsd current (i386) for a while. The latest upgrade
OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #391: Fri Jan 15 14:55:45 MST 2010
and iwn-firmware-5.2.tgz seem to no longer work. I have a 'no link' error
Thanks, STeve,
but i mean education process in general.
To illustrate my thought, now i _know_ that for making src tree
make must be in backwards compatable mode breaked by -j flag.
It's not so obvious, and i really don't know where can i get it from.
Steps i follow exactly from faq45:
#rm
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:43:31AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
What seems a little counter intuitive to me is: I would see sd0 as a
shortcut of /dev/sd0 for fdisk, but fdisk /dev/sd0 does not work.
It's not, as miod pointed out.
Is it something you tried to deduce on your own ? or some
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 06:42:45AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
Thank you Bret. I can see that now after Aaron's comments and yours.
cheers,
This is actually documented. You can tell by telling me where you looked,
and where I should put the info to be sure newbies see it.
From packages(7), third
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:43:31AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
What seems a little counter intuitive to me is: I would see sd0 as a
shortcut of /dev/sd0 for fdisk, but fdisk /dev/sd0 does not work.
It's not, as miod pointed out.
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
Hi.
So, playing with this new old machine, it seems I cannot turn it off...
halt -p makes it reboot.
The machine probably fell in love with the OS and hence won't make it
stop running and I wouldn't mind that much if it wasn't so noisy ;-)
I
Hello Everybody,
I noticed it very every time that when question about security of
OpenBSD risen, at least one message states: i386 architecture is
hardware insecure, and I really agree with it.
Then my question is: in your opinion, what is the most secure
modern architecture that is supported
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:01:42AM +0300, Andrej Elizarov wrote:
Thanks, STeve,
but i mean education process in general.
To illustrate my thought, now i _know_ that for making src tree
make must be in backwards compatable mode breaked by -j flag.
It's not so obvious, and i really don't
Song Li wrote:
On the other hand, IMHO, a system should allow its user's reasonable
assumption. It would be a headache for everyone if we have to memorize
the exact syntax for every single command.
You don't need to. You can look in manpages whenever you need, as I do.
Maybe it's more so for
Marc Espie es...@nerim.net writes:
There is an iwn-firmware-5.3.
where do you fetch that?
the man page still refers to the 5.2 version, which also seems to be
the most recent one at http://damien.bergamini.free.fr/packages/openbsd/
- P
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149
Hi,
On Thu, 21.01.2010 at 21:48:01 +, Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
wrote:
Toni Mueller openbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote:
today I see tons of these on a 4.6-stable/amd64 machine (sample):
17:21:00.848135 esp 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2 spi 0x54d46678 seq 132642 len 84
(DF) (ttl 64, id
On Friday 22 January 2010 02:16:00 Andrej Elizarov wrote:
follow the docs instead of trying to be clever and creating problems you
don't know how to solve?
hey, how else can i learn some?
yeah, you are all not my slaves and so on.
If you are new to OpenBSD, one way to learn would be
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Marc Espie wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 05:50:57PM +, leona...@sympatico.ca wrote:
I have been tracking openbsd current (i386) for a while. The latest upgrade
OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #391: Fri Jan 15 14:55:45 MST 2010
and iwn-firmware-5.2.tgz seem to no
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:31:31AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:43:31AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
What seems a little counter intuitive to me is: I would see sd0 as a
shortcut of /dev/sd0 for fdisk, but fdisk
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:09:22 -0500 Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Tomas Bodzar
tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Tobias Ulmer tobi...@tmux.org
wrote:
- ability to research stuff yourself, without asking on a ml
-
Think, make must ignore mk.conf or just force -B for backwards
compatiblity while building src tree.
where in the documentation, besides make(1), is 'make -j' ever talked about?
and did you see make(1) mentions '-j' in it's BUGS section?
You are totally right. I did not read documentation
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:31:31AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
The man page for fdisk matches the actual OS. There is no typo.
On the other hand, IMHO, a system should allow its user's reasonable
assumption. It would be a headache for everyone if we have to memorize
the exact syntax for every
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 09:59:14AM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
Marc Espie es...@nerim.net writes:
There is an iwn-firmware-5.3.
where do you fetch that?
the man page still refers to the 5.2 version, which also seems to be
the most recent one at
Marc Espie es...@nerim.net writes:
Oops, my fault. Damien must have given me a new beta version.
Always nice to know that there are new goodies in the pipeline :)
/me is hoping it will make it into 4.7
- P
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:34:48PM -0800, Johan Beisser wrote:
You could makefs on /dev/sd0c instead. Nothing really forces you to
create other slices (or partitions) on the device.
Bad advice. disklabel does not record some redundant information
On 2010-01-22, leonardo fabian lnrd...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
As an internet service provider, we have bgp peering with customers.
they also have bgp peering with other isp.
the problem is if they use tcp window scaling and
have different path for incoming and outgoing connection.
they
Gregory Edigarov wrote:
Hello Everybody,
I noticed it very every time that when question about security of
OpenBSD risen, at least one message states: i386 architecture is
hardware insecure, and I really agree with it.
Then my question is: in your opinion, what is the most secure
modern
Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
Hi.
So, playing with this new old machine, it seems I cannot turn it off...
halt -p makes it reboot.
The machine probably fell in love with the OS and hence won't make it
stop running and I wouldn't mind that much if it
On 1/22/10, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:
Start at the top of faq5.html and start reading, don't just skip
to the punchline you are after. You blew past a lot of very
important steps.
You at least need to start from section 5.2, though 5.1 is totally
brilliant writing,
This is a fresh -current on an HP EliteBook 8530w (Mobile Workstation).
Thank you all who make be able to run this.
/bsd panics when booting when ACPI is enabled; boots and works just fine
once ACPI is disabled (via UKC). See full dmesgs below.
What puzzles me is that /bsd.rd (who does the
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Aioanei Rares wrote:
shutdown -hp now
please...
--
Antoine
It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit.
Here is an example:
1. running system with OMGACL
2. pkg_add -ui
3. couple of days later at 3am bz got come to the datacenter because
the app bombed
4. oh, the acl terminated it; adjust
5. repeat 3 - 4 until it works
6. repeat
you too need to send acpidump -o output in a tar to jordan.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 02:04:23PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote:
This is a fresh -current on an HP EliteBook 8530w (Mobile Workstation).
Thank you all who make be able to run this.
/bsd panics when booting when ACPI is enabled; boots and
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Jan Stary wrote:
This is a fresh -current on an HP EliteBook 8530w (Mobile Workstation).
Thank you all who make be able to run this.
/bsd panics when booting when ACPI is enabled; boots and works just fine
once ACPI is disabled (via UKC). See full dmesgs below.
It is
Am 22.01.10 09:31, schrieb Song Li:
On the other hand, IMHO, a system should allow its user's reasonable
assumption. It would be a headache for everyone if we have to memorize
the exact syntax for every single command.
For me, OpenBSD is perfectly reasonable and easy to use. Even as I
started
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22 -0600, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit.
Here is an example:
1. running system with OMGACL
2. pkg_add -ui
3. couple of days later at 3am bz got come to the datacenter because
the app
Song Li wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:43:31AM +0100, Song Li wrote:
What seems a little counter intuitive to me is: I would see sd0 as a
shortcut of /dev/sd0 for fdisk, but fdisk /dev/sd0 does not work.
It's not, as miod
May I ask why is i386 considered hardware insecure?
Can anyone point me to some documentation on the issue?
Thank you all.
Manuel
--
Hana wa sakuragi, hito wa bushi
- Original Message
From: Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua
To: misc@openbsd.org
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010
Jan Stary wrote:
/bsd panics when booting when ACPI is enabled; boots and works just fine
once ACPI is disabled (via UKC). See full dmesgs below.
What puzzles me is that /bsd.rd (who does the install) has ACPI enabled,
yet runs fine - unlike the /bsd that in installs (see the full dmesg
of
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 02:04:23PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote:
This is a fresh -current on an HP EliteBook 8530w (Mobile Workstation).
Thank you all who make be able to run this.
/bsd panics when booting when ACPI is enabled; boots and works just fine
once ACPI is disabled (via UKC). See
Jan Stary wrote:
Jan Stary wrote:
/bsd panics when booting when ACPI is enabled; boots and works just fine
once ACPI is disabled (via UKC). See full dmesgs below.
What puzzles me is that /bsd.rd (who does the install) has ACPI enabled,
yet runs fine - unlike the /bsd that in installs (see
I provided one for this panic, got the same laptop at work ;-)
Gilles
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:26:56AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
you too need to send acpidump -o output in a tar to jordan.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 02:04:23PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote:
This is a fresh -current on an HP
Index: faq/index.html
===
RCS file: /cvs/openbsd/www/faq/index.html,v
retrieving revision 1.320
diff -u -r1.320 index.html
--- faq/index.html 16 Dec 2009 04:32:35 - 1.320
+++ faq/index.html 22 Jan 2010 15:25:35
but what is your point? that people should just be able to guess at
commands and the system should do whatever the user is thinking it will
do?
f...@trout:~ lame
If 'lame' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the
package that contains it, like this:
cnf lame
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:05:52 -0800 (PST)
Manuel Ravasio manuelrava...@yahoo.com wrote:
May I ask why is i386 considered hardware insecure?
Can anyone point me to some documentation on the issue?
Discussed before:
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc
- Robert
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Manuel Ravasio manuelrava...@yahoo.com wrote:
May I ask why is i386 considered hardware insecure?
Can anyone point me to some documentation on the issue?
I think it's 10% true and 90% meme. You want to sound like the cool
kids, so you make vague claims that
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:22:58AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit.
I couldn't agree more.
BTW, microsoft implemented every single ACL type mechanism the NSA ever
made public. Tell me again how well it worked for them.
More
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:13:38PM -0500, Dan Harnett wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 07:22:58AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote:
It doesn't and I'll argue all day that it won't help you a bit.
I couldn't agree more.
BTW, microsoft implemented every single ACL type mechanism the NSA ever
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:56:14AM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote:
The insecurity of OpenBSD
http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/
-zamri-
Sometimes the add-on security enhancements directly weaken system
security:
http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9191
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:13:38PM -0500, Dan Harnett wrote:
I also do not understand why strlcpy and strlcat are causing the author
so much grief. This person didn't seem to know they existed before
writing the article. I work in an ISP environment and it has caused
zero issues to both
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com wrote:
The insecurity of OpenBSD
http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/
-zamri-
That's a great article...I mean, I'd rather go get shots the day after
hiring a hooker instead of wearing a
What a laugh.
I hope all of you see that this article has to be a hoax.
Oh well, I certainly learned a lot from this.
find / -name .* -print /etc/changelist
chmod -R /
I feel so much safer!
--
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Toni Mueller openbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 21.01.2010 at 21:48:01 +, Christian Weisgerber
na...@mips.inka.de wrote:
Toni Mueller openbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote:
today I see tons of these on a 4.6-stable/amd64 machine (sample):
17:21:00.848135
I don't understand what a solution can be. If they're never going to
release
supporting documentation anyway, does it really make a
difference for them?
Since they're profiting with or without us
anyway. So we can either choose to
just make it work, or just not buy
their products. I think the
Hello,
Is it possible to do some rule in pf to simulate 300ms of latency?
This is for testing purposes.
A plus would be to simulate 1% packet loss.
Many Thanks!!
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:13:08 -0800
Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote:
Wasn't there a fork just like a few years ago? Except
they left Theo's name in the default email or something?
If one wanted to do it really clean, he could reverse
engineer OpenBSD.
Eric
Andres,
You can add packet loss by using the probability argument on a pf
rule. You use either a block or pass rule.
probability number
A probability attribute can be attached to a rule, with a
value set between 0 and 1, bounds not included. In that case, the
rule will be honored using the
Hey all,
I was hoping there are some heavy PF users here, who wouldn't mind sharing
some of their experiences?
So I've watched Hennings talk about PF performance, read the PDF, but I
haven't actually seen anyone saying they can, and do, PF at 10Gbps.
Can it?
If so, what actual hardware can? Or
There isn't really functionality to do this, I've always found it better to
use freebsd's dummy net for such things. I have some instructions to get
this up and going here ( This is old but worked the last time i had to
emulate wan conditions with this stuff):
Dummynet howto...
I needed to
Put that money aside, and use whatever crappy computer you have. Most
people don't need the fastest whiz bang computers.
I typically only buy computers when I *absolutely* have to. My main
laptop is a 4 year old box, and other than the new mb/ram I just
bought, all my other stuff is at least
2010/1/22 Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com:
The insecurity of OpenBSD
http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/
The OpenBSD approach to security is primarily focused on writing quality
code, with the aim being to eliminate vulnerabilities in source code. To this
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM, James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't understand what a solution can be. If they're never going to
release
supporting documentation anyway, does it really make a
difference for them?
I don't know if I am buying into a troll or a flamebait, but what
ropers wrote:
2010/1/22 Zamri Besar zam4e...@gmail.com:
The insecurity of OpenBSD
http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/
So... the author prefers shoddy, buggy, non-quality code as long as it
provides extra access control granularity.
Yeah...
I
Hi!
I finally got tired of not using my wireless card on my laptop and decided to
take a look at the code. I compared the ath OpenBSD code with similar drivers
on NetBSD and Linux kernels, start adding/correcting the ath code and finally
got it to work. I am currently able to use my AR5424
IAPSA
Instituto Argentino de Psicologma Aplicada
Si no se muestra correctamente el contenido del mensaje (por ejemplo, si
los acentos estan sustituidos por otros smmbolos)
The booklist on the OpenBSD site is very good.
I was concerned that a few items were old, but that is just not relevant.
An excellent grasp of C is going to be necessary.
It takes a long time to get good at programming.
I have seen the phrase For good code examples, just look at OpenBSD
source
I missed two bits of information...
Routing. With only one upstream routing device these would only have one
route, maybe two (internet, and internal).
A bit of mental gymnastics, ok a calculator, gives something like 400 Kpps.
Which, if my assumptions on packet sizes is right, isn't mind
On 1/22/2010 12:13 PM, Dan Harnett wrote
Nowhere in the article is proof provided that OpenBSD is insecure.
Sure there is; OpenBSD uses Sendmail and BIND, and they've had lots of
vulnerabilities!
Dear friends,
I've read the documentation about sed - sed(8), re_format(7) and
/usr/share/doc/usd/15.sed/ - but I still don't realize how to make this
command work:
$ s/(^[A_Z]{1})([a-z]+)\.sgml/\1\2\.html/g
As I read I must prefix the '{', '}', '(' and ')' with backslashes. Even if
I do
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Marcello Cruz marcello.c...@globo.com wrote:
$ s/(^[A_Z]{1})([a-z]+)\.sgml/\1\2\.html/g
As I read I must prefix the '{', '}', '(' and ')' with backslashes. Even if
I do so, the command does not work. The command should take a filename
starting with a capital
Hi Marcello,
Marcello Cruz wrote on Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:31:18PM -0200:
I've read the documentation about sed - sed(8), re_format(7) and
/usr/share/doc/usd/15.sed/ - but I still don't realize how to make
this command work:
First decide whether you want to use basic or extended regular
Ted Unangst wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Marcello Cruz marcello.c...@globo.com wrote:
$ s/(^[A_Z]{1})([a-z]+)\.sgml/\1\2\.html/g
As I read I must prefix the '{', '}', '(' and ')' with backslashes. Even if
I do so, the command does not work. The command should take a filename
Marcello Cruz marcello.c...@globo.com wrote:
Dear friends,
I've read the documentation about sed - sed(8), re_format(7) and
/usr/share/doc/usd/15.sed/ - but I still don't realize how to make this
command work:
$ s/(^[A_Z]{1})([a-z]+)\.sgml/\1\2\.html/g
As I read I must prefix the '{',
As I read I must prefix the '{', '}', '(' and ')' with backslashes. Even
if
I do so, the command does not work. The command should take a filename
starting with a capital letter followed with the extension 'sgml' and
translate the extension to 'html'.
1. Always show the commands you're
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:42 +0200, Gregory Edigarov
g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua wrote:
Hello Everybody,
I noticed it very every time that when question about security of
OpenBSD risen, at least one message states: i386 architecture is
hardware insecure, and I really agree with it.
Then my
You didn't read re_format(7) well:
Basic regular expressions differ in several respects:
o `|', `+', and `?' are ordinary characters and there is no
equiva-
lent for their functionality.
o The delimiters for bounds are `\{' and `\}', with `{' and `}'
by
- Original Message -
From: Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda acam...@the00z.org
Marcello Cruz marcello.c...@globo.com wrote:
$ s/(^[A_Z]{1})([a-z]+)\.sgml/\1\2\.html/g
You didn't read re_format(7) well:
Basic regular expressions differ in several respects:
o `|', `+',
1) Most of the code I'm using is from Linux driver which is AFAIK GPL'ed code.
Is this a problem?
Why do you think the code is GPL'ed? What driver did you look at? Some
of the atheros code in the linux kernel comes from OpenBSD. For
example:
Unfortunately we here at obsd.cec.mtu.edu have experienced a
hardware failure with our system. We have a replacement system,
however there is much work to be done to transfer hardware
components from the now-dead production system to the backup/spare.
If we are lucky the mirror should be in
I'm having Xorg crash problems and I'm trying to create a bug report. I
read /usr/xenocara/README and did all the steps to build a debug version
of X and a core dump, but /var/crash stays empty.
to be more specific, I recently upgraded from 4.6-release where my
radeon rs780 igp work great
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 02:22:36AM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
Hi Marcello,
Marcello Cruz wrote on Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:31:18PM -0200:
I've read the documentation about sed - sed(8), re_format(7) and
/usr/share/doc/usd/15.sed/ - but I still don't realize how to make
this command
better than sparc64?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:48:40PM -0500, Eric Furman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:42 +0200, Gregory Edigarov
g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua wrote:
Hello Everybody,
I noticed it very every time that when question about security of
OpenBSD risen, at least one message
Luis Henriques wrote:
Hi!
I finally got tired of not using my wireless card on my laptop and decided to
take a look at the code. I compared the ath OpenBSD code with similar drivers
on NetBSD and Linux kernels, start adding/correcting the ath code and finally
got it to work. I am
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it comes down to x86 doesn't do as much to save you from
broken software as some other architectures. This doesn't by itself
make it insecure, you need to be running insecure software too.
Good thing there's a
A quick search in the misc@ archives PR database didn't reveal that anyone
has mentioned this before.
In installing the 20 January (#511) i386 snapshot, I received a SHA256
mismatch on base46.tgz. Otherwise, the snapshot installs as expected.
FYI FWIW.
Jim
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:05:13PM -0800, James Hartley wrote:
A quick search in the misc@ archives PR database didn't reveal that anyone
has mentioned this before.
In installing the 20 January (#511) i386 snapshot, I received a SHA256
mismatch on base46.tgz. Otherwise, the snapshot
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Brynet wrote:
Several BIOS updates appear available for your motherboard as well
perhaps one of them will solve the problem
Thanks for the pointer, I had the latest when I looked but I guess 04 came
out since then. In fact, when I went to download it today, it had already
Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
Being in Australia and confused about what day it is, I should be
more precise. Make sure the trees you generate test kernels from
have r1.166 or greater of scsi_base.c. That was the last commit
from n2k10.
And I think that particular diff should fix the Check
Hi Ken,
The SCSI message remains in the January 23rd snapshot.
Whoops, that would be the January 20th snapshot.
-Bryan
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