On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:47:46 +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
Okay I feel that a flame war might be afoot but to put another log on the
fire; is Calomel not trustworthy in the read and do alike not copying
straight from kind of way? I have used the guides for instance about the
PF and DNS. And that
On 07/26/12 00:55, Shaka NKofo wrote:
I'm new to Open BSD but no stranger to *nix OSs. My question here is
simple. I have been reading the man pages and documentation and have
installed and setup a 5.1 box on my lan. Now after understanding its
basic inner workings I wish to put it to heavy and
On Jul 26 06:55:54, Shaka NKofo wrote:
I'm new to Open BSD but no stranger to *nix OSs. My question here is
simple. I have been reading the man pages and documentation and have
installed and setup a 5.1 box on my lan. Now after understanding its
basic inner workings I wish to put it to heavy
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote:
[blabla]
*facepalm*
--
Gilles Chehade
https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel for example
configs of more obscure things :).
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Gilles Chehade gil...@poolp.org wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 06:55:54AM +0200, Shaka NKofo wrote:
[blabla]
*facepalm*
--
Gilles Chehade
The calomel phenomenon is fascinating!
I was calomeled.
Those who have been calomeled have done the following:
1. lazily google: openbsd tuning (or similar)
2. click on: Network Tuning and Performance Guide (OpenBSD) - Calomel
(currently ranked 2 on google)
3. lazy and in a hurry to get it
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Did I just read, that ?
To my defense, I read nicely written FAQ and MAN first, then I
used broken and wrong documentation for broken examples of more
obscure things
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:26:03AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel
Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd,
especially the sysctl tuning stuff.
Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and
read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques.
Maybe there needs to be a calomel faq on openbsd.org.
Here's a better
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Sorry Joakim, I'll bring this one back to the list.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:45:17AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
Yeah if you are going to complain about what sources I use please do so off
list since that behaviour is not called for nor informative. Perhaps you
should read this resource on
This has to be a joke or a troll or something.
I'm not biting.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 12:55 AM, Shaka NKofo wrote:
I'm new to Open BSD but no stranger to *nix OSs. My question here is
simple. I have been reading the man pages and documentation and have
installed and setup a 5.1 box on my
block in quick on msk0 proto tcp *to* port ssh
whats this?
instead of above wrong statement, you can use block in quick on msk0
proto tcp from any to any port ssh
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Peter N. M. Hansteen pe...@bsdly.netwrote:
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Le Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:44:40 +0430,
Bahador NazariFard bahador.nazarif...@gmail.com a écrit :
block in quick on msk0 proto tcp *to* port ssh
whats this?
instead of above wrong statement, you can use block in quick on msk0
proto tcp from any to any port ssh
This is the same thing. The from
I feel this usually comes from folks with Linux background.
You see, in BSD world, specially in OpenBSD, there is good and high
quality documentation, which the developers put a lot of effort in
providing it.
I know, since I did it too in the past, that when you're using Linux,
you're basically
I know, since I did it too in the past, that when you're using Linux,
you're basically in the dark, so you go to google, and you try your
luck.
when i was still using linux it was this manual is out of date, use
texinfo. texinfo was out of date too, but wikipedia style documentation
was
Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot down:
openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question answered on misc
has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's
signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think
I first read the documentation, the do everything properly and after that
i f..k it all up because some trendy webpages says i should.
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
To my defense I use the FAQ and MAN first then I used Calomel for example
configs of more obscure things :).
On
I'm used to learning tech from scratch and mastering then using it but
my work load is punishing and I would like to clean up DNS on my lan
since the devices are just adding up too fast...
what a problem with DNS? It is rather easy.
I could help you on priv if you like, if you will clean up
In some ways, it is almost fortunate the calomel meme exists to keep reminding
newcomers, as annoying as repetition is. It's the nature of things.
I fell for it in the past. Others will in the future.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:01:41AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
I first read the
Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot
down: openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question answered on
misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply. It'd do wonders for misc's
signal/noise because lazy fucks, retards and trolls would think
On 07/26/12 03:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd,
especially the sysctl tuning stuff.
Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and
read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques.
Maybe there needs to be a
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 09:34:02PM +0200, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
| Hi,
|
| currently I am trying (just out of curiosity) to find a way to resolve a
| duid to a device name. For that matter I believe that looking at
| disk_map() in subr_disk.c is the right place.
Or try sysctl(3). Here's some
On Jul 12 13:06:02, Alexander Hall wrote:
Should be fixed now.
Yes, thank you.
On 07/12/12 11:50, Alexander Hall wrote:
I'm looking into this. There seems to be a quoting issue, since the
anonymous default should be in brackets, while now it seems to be part
of the question instead.
Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time
and the developer's time, we're not cranky about calomel only, we're
cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our
FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99% of the time and they are pretty
well written and
The OpenBSD website says that the support for the amd64 platform
covers all versions of the AMD Athlon 64 processors and their clones.
Unfortunately I do not understand this statement. Is the AMD Brazos
C60 microprocessor covered by this statement? My guess is that not
every supported processor
On 07/26/12 03:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
Apparently calomel is full of bad and/or outdated advice for openbsd,
especially the sysctl tuning stuff.
Your best advice is to follow the official FAQ's on openbsd.org, and
read openbsd man pages to learn your techniques.
Maybe there needs to be
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:37 AM, David Scott dmscott...@gmail.com wrote:
The OpenBSD website says that the support for the amd64 platform
covers all versions of the AMD Athlon 64 processors and their clones.
assuming it's this page:
http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html
making a reference to the
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I'm used to learning tech from scratch and mastering then using it but
my work load is punishing and I would like to clean up DNS on my lan
since the devices are just adding up too fast...
what a problem
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Paulm pa...@tetrardus.net wrote:
Dynamic content proper search would also put an end to just wade through
marc.info fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to egrep -Rli
serial /usr/share/man, say. Man/info pages are the ultimate /reference/,
they're not
On Jul 23 21:07:09, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2012-07-23, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
On Jul 21, 2012 4:02 PM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
Is there any support present or planned for Ethernet over USB?
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:46:55 + от Alexander Polakov polac...@gmail.com:
* HvN huubvanniek...@gmail.com [120724 17:17]:
I booted into single user mode, mounted / and /usr according to FAQ 8.
However, when I try to use vi to change fstab, it says unknown terminal
type. Any suggestions ?
On 2012/07/26 13:01, Jan Stary wrote:
urndis(4) should connect to this phone in -current,
Today's current/amd64 doesn't:
umass1 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 SAMSUNG Electronics Co.,
Ltd. Samsung Android USB Device rev 2.00/4.00 addr 3
umass1: using SCSI over Bulk-Only
I couldn't have put it better. Plus Private Lessons on DNS on condition
that the student is not under Big Brothers purview .. smiles
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 06:22 -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
I'm used to
Bahador NazariFard bahador.nazarif...@gmail.com writes:
block in quick on msk0 proto tcp *to* port ssh
whats this?
instead of above wrong statement, you can use block in quick on msk0
proto tcp from any to any port ssh
Please try a pfctl -vnf on a file containing only the first line.
[Thu
On 26 July 2012 13:01, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
On Jul 23 21:07:09, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2012-07-23, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
On Jul 21, 2012 4:02 PM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
Is there any support present or planned for Ethernet over USB?
the problem with this logic is that there are numerous curses
programs: less, top, systat, vi; just to name the ones i recall from
base.
surely retrofitting them with prompts isn't an option, specially when
having TERM unset isn't the norm
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mo Libden
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:47:46AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
Perhaps a resource of howtos/FAQ can be created since OpenBSD does not
change to much between releases? Or is that not interesting either?
Maybe you should, _at least_, read the www page, _at least_ to know that
a FAQ already
http://y.ahoo.it/QD0ir?/2010/10/her pass he repeated softlynightshade
stiffened.aspx
for danger the
fearful remorselessness of!shrugged bishop oliver is said to
SshGuard are just a layer of the onion.
Not the sole solution.
Most methods you can, with certain degrees of effort and stubbornness,
circumvent or break.
/hasse
-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] För David
Diggles
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:56:44AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:47:46AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
Perhaps a resource of howtos/FAQ can be created since OpenBSD does not
change to much between releases? Or is that not interesting either?
Maybe you should,
Peter Laufenberg open...@laufenberg.ch wrote:
Here's a better idea I'm putting out there to see how fast it gets shot
down: openbsd-wiki.org, with a rule that whoever gets a question
answered on misc has to add an entry with the cleaned reply.
Go ahead, make it so.
I'm not being sarcastic.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Long codeb...@inbox.lv wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:56:44AM -0300, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 07:47:46AM +0200, Joakim Dellrud wrote:
Perhaps a resource of howtos/FAQ can be created since OpenBSD does not
change to much
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On 2012-07-26, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Paulm pa...@tetrardus.net wrote:
Dynamic content proper search would also put an end to just wade through
marc.info fuck-offs and self-righteous RTFD when one has to egrep -Rli
serial /usr/share/man, say.
On 2012-07-24, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote:
Particularly for MS SQL kind of stuff?
Do we have anything interesting in ports?
Most of the wan optimization software has fairly deep knowledge of
the protocols and can either spoof responses to avoid high
The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a
semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT
AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!!
Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come.
Other way around. I got better things to do than start a project obsd
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:12:50PM +0200, David Coppa wrote:
Please,
One sentence, one line...
Ok, here we go:
Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v
retrieving revision 1.136
* Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org [2012-07-23 12:02]:
I think you mean that the phone uses the computer's internet connection,
is that correct?
I haven't heard of any such driver planned, but I wonder if there are
any devices other than the ipaq which actually support this, it seems
A list member pointed out I could shorten the diff further by not including
the index.html part of the URL.
Third time's the charm?
Index: src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man8/afterboot.8,v
retrieving
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, John Long wrote:
Third time's the charm?
No. If you take a look at the file, you'll see that each new
sentence starts at a new line. That's what someone was trying to
tell you before... (this convention makes diffs simpler).
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:23 AM, John Long codeb...@inbox.lv wrote:
+.Pa http://www.openbsd.org/faq .
mdoc(7) says Lk should be used for hyperlinks, though we don't
actually do that in any of our manuals currently. I think it would be
nice to start doing so though so that HTML and PDF formatted
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 08:50:09AM -0700, Claus Assmann wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, John Long wrote:
Third time's the charm?
No. If you take a look at the file, you'll see that each new
sentence starts at a new line. That's what someone was trying to
tell you before... (this convention
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
/reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are
really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install
instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4 and 8 media.
That's because 5 and 8 floppy drives
I just realized I haven't sent out a suggestion on how to improve the
web site this week. I apologize for the delay, I know how eagerly
some people look forward to ignoring my ideas.
The FAQ has a couple sections that combine instructions interleaved
with screen output (the install section being
Hello,
We have just noticed that pflow (v5) sometime (but often) uses a
StartTime value which is later than the EndTime.
So the duration is interpreted 4294966.29600 secondes.
This confuses our collector (nfsen).
(wireshark)
pdu 19/30
SrcAddr: 194.57.169.116 (194.57.169.116)
Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:06:02 -0430 от Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com:
the problem with this logic is that there are numerous curses
programs: less, top, systat, vi; just to name the ones i recall from
base.
since you top-posted, I will too.
what's the problem with top? will it bomb out if there
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:43:10PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
The site can look butt-ugly (or wikimedia-bland) but needs a
semi-official stamp of approval instead of blinking red THIS IS NOT
AFFILIATED WITH OPENBSD.ORG!!!
Set up the site, make it work. Approval will come.
Other
is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late?
-eric
On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Jan Izary wrote:
Learn H0w T0 Earn M0ney 0nline N0w
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well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may
have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader (both
in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I
navigate through a man page in a terminal session.
There was a
On Jul 26 13:30:01, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
On 26 July 2012 13:01, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
On Jul 23 21:07:09, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2012-07-23, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
On Jul 21, 2012 4:02 PM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
Is there any support present or
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 10:54 -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:
well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages.
The pages themselves are marked-up text; just use a text editor. Note
that OpenBSD doesn't use groff anymore to render them. Look at
mandoc(1)
mdoc(7) (the suggested format)
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54:25AM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:
well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may
What's your favorite text editor?
have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader (both
in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble
Weldon Goree wrote:
mdoc(7) (the suggested format)
Ah, the yin and yang of formats and tools ... is there a WYSIWIG editor for
mdoc format?
--
Jack Woehr # We commonly say we have no time when,
Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is.
Hi Eric,
Eric Oyen wrote on Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54:25AM -0700:
well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages.
also, I may have to change how a man page would be laid out because
my screen reader (both in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling
the change in content
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54, Eric Oyen wrote:
well, I am wondering what packages I can use to edit man pages. also, I may
have to change how a man page would be laid out because my screen reader
(both
in linux and OS X) seem to have trouble handling the change in content when I
navigate
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:44, Eric Oyen wrote:
is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late?
There's a spam filter, sometimes it works, sometimes not so much. You
should probably be running your own.
As an aside, gmail's spam filter is great until it isn't.
Hi Jack,
Jack Woehr wrote on Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:46:24PM -0600:
is there a WYSIWIG editor for mdoc format?
No, and there cannot be.
The purpose of a WYSIWIG editor is to achieve a particular
visual impression (most WYSIWIG editors suck even at that task,
but that's beside the point).
The
the web page server is for displaying them in a way my screen reader can
handle. didn't you pay attention in my posting? I mentioned being blind.
as for editing man pages using a text editor, frankly, that is a bit tedious
as there is a lot of text attributes and other invisible features embedded
Ingo Schwarze wrote:
The mdoc(7) language is quite easy.
Fascinating exposition ... I guessed the nature of the language from the example. A generation better than groff
format-based concept.
As with any language, maturing your style will take a bit longer.
Well, not sure how much more my
Marc Espie wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:46:24PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote:
Weldon Goree wrote:
mdoc(7) (the suggested format)
Ah, the yin and yang of formats and tools ... is there a WYSIWIG editor for
mdoc format?
vi
!Gmandoc|more
u
funny guy :)
--
Jack Woehr # We
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:46:24PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote:
Weldon Goree wrote:
mdoc(7) (the suggested format)
Ah, the yin and yang of formats and tools ... is there a WYSIWIG editor for
mdoc format?
vi
!Gmandoc|more
u
Eric Oyen wrote:
is it me or does there seem to be a lot more spam on the lists of late?
Bogofilter removes almost all the spam for me. But when somebody replies
to it, the spam does get through ;)
Best regards,
Mikkel C. Simonsen
well, I can give that a whirl. you should hear how those text attributes sound
in my screen reader. its much the same as trying to pick out an object at
range among a bunch of moving scenery.
the man piped through more scheme is the biggest part of the problem,
especially on remote sessions.
As
I've read something about this in older posts. I don't know if there is
some advance on this issue. My laptop is a lenovo T410 running last
Openbsd snapshot (about 24/07/2012) and the behaviour is the same as
in 5.1: USB ports ko after resume.
Is this something related to USB 3.0?
Thanks in
yeah. Gmail is famous for that. It is also famous for the number of false
positives.
I will have to see if I can find a version of SpamAssasin to run locally here.
the Mail.app application here on OS X has some filtering abilities, but they
are woefully inadequate to the task.
-eric
On Jul 26,
well,
its pretty good in a remote session. I tried installing an X screen reader
from ports and was met with a number of unsatisfied dependencies. that was
several months back and I am not sure that things have changed that much. ORCA
is about the only screen reader that will work reliably, but
Hello fellow OpenBSD users,
I've run into a of couple issues with setting up and IKE IPSEC VPN with a
windows 7 native client. Now I've ran through the lists and have found a
solution to get it working somewhat how I'd like it working.
I currently have this in my iked.conf:
ikev2 passive esp \
yep. looks like I need to come up to current then. 4.7 is definitely a little
out of date. I might have to set it up in a vmware session on the linux box
and see if I can pipe the console to an internal serial port and read it with
a common comm application. the X display would be a bit harder to
That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody'ss
here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work
or you aren't.
Who the fuck do you think you are to use that tone? The royal we? Are those
mutual favors a currency I can trade for a cash? Will the
no.
the equivalent to the top/systat behaviour would be to make vi spawn
less and ed when 'v' is pressed, not prompt you are you sure?
less does not work with a dumb terminal as you said. the output
eventually gets garbled.
if you really want that functionality, look at /.profile. every 120
Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com] wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 09:53, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
/reference/, they're not meant to solve high-level problems. The FAQs are
really are no FAQs at all but a gigantic snowball with floppy install
instructions crucially leaving out 5 1/4 and 8
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:24:31PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
That said, the attitude you're displaying does no one any favors: nobody'ss
here to make you feel special; either you're willing to put in the work
or you aren't.
Who the fuck do you think you are to use that tone? The royal
On 07/26/12 06:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
...
That's bullshit; Google's pagerank means more people are linking to
C.l, period.
yeah...
and by providing another almost 50 pages in every e-mail archive with
that website in the topic, we've just perpetuated the problem. Big time.
Oops.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nick Holland
n...@holland-consulting.net wrote:
On 07/26/12 06:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
...
That's bullshit; Google's pagerank means more people are linking to
C.l, period.
yeah...
and by providing another almost 50 pages in every e-mail archive with
man,
the format of that page is ugly to listen to. lots of back slashes. I noticed
there didn't appear to be any line/returns in there (and that is something my
screen reader doesn't make clear either).
I will have to find an online version of the man page mentioned below.
-eric
On Jul 26,
On 07/26/12 03:04, Peter Laufenberg wrote:
Everytime you follow a non official documentation, you waste your time
and the developer's time, we're not cranky about calomel only, we're
cranky about people following unofficial documentation, remember, our
FAQ and manpages are accurate 99.99% of the
I'm sitting here reading documentation about audio, but I feel a
little blind, not quite knowing what to look at.
I am interested in recording audio, ie my local FM station, via
mplayer. But how to do that eludes me so far. Any clues on how
to capture audio or what pages to read would be
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 17:27, Eric Oyen wrote:
man,
the format of that page is ugly to listen to. lots of back slashes. I noticed
there didn't appear to be any line/returns in there (and that is
something my
screen reader doesn't make clear either).
It is a markup language. Is editing HTML
MSNBC works now. I'm in London so this means I can see the MSNBC site.
Thank you.
On Jul 26 22:03:12, STeve Andre' wrote:
I'm sitting here reading documentation about audio, but I feel a
little blind, not quite knowing what to look at.
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html
I am interested in recording audio, ie my local FM station, via mplayer.
If you wan't to
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