Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-18 Thread Ed Summers
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 10:43:13AM +, Tim Bunce wrote: Argues for more stats. I think useful *relative* download stats could be extracted from a sample of CPAN sites. Also search.cpan.org could provide relative page-*view* stats for modules. Agreed. There is the mirrors problem of course,

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread Michel Rodriguez
Hi, I think an interesting angle, first to get an idea of what the problem is, and later (hopefully!) to see if we have improved the situation, is to put ourselves in the position of a Perl programer that doesn't know the community, maybe doesn't even know that CPAN exists. Her first reflex

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread khemir nadim
Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Generating the doc (from the POD) for each module (with a link to the tarfile or to the CPAN search page for the lates release of the module), and putting it on CPAN in something like cpan.org/docs/module name. Does

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread Michel Rodriguez
On 16 Feb 2004, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michel Rodriguez) writes: [...] If size is a problem for mirrors, then a shorter version, with just links to the docs, would work, maybe the search.cpan.org results for example: http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI-1.40/ could be

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michel Rodriguez) writes: I guess it becomes a social (for lack of a better term) instead of a technical issue: this is what we should link to when we want to reference a module. This is in fact the policy I've been using for perl.com for a while now. -- A word to the

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-16 10:57]: (At least the Perl-XML folks got it right, props to Grant McLean!). You don't put yourself in a particular spot on Google, you just get there by being linked from lots of places. You have zero control over whether and where you appear in

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 10:37:12AM +1300, Sam Vilain wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:32, Tim Bunce wrote; I'd like to see a summary of what those needs of the community are. (Maybe I missed it as I've not been following as closely as I'd have liked. In which case a link to an

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread Michel Rodriguez
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-16 10:57]: (At least the Perl-XML folks got it right, props to Grant McLean!). You don't put yourself in a particular spot on Google, you just get there by being linked from lots of places. You have

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-16 13:43]: Then the problem is why don't those pages show up higher when you search on google? They come back fast enough, I suppose they are static, can anyone confirm this? Again this is not a factor. All you have to do is make sure you don't use

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-16 Thread Sam Vilain
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 02:53, A. Pagaltzis wrote; (At least the Perl-XML folks got it right, props to Grant McLean!). You don't put yourself in a particular spot on Google, you just get there by being linked from lots of places. You have zero control over whether and where you

Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-15 Thread Sam Vilain
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:32, Tim Bunce wrote; I'd like to see a summary of what those needs of the community are. (Maybe I missed it as I've not been following as closely as I'd have liked. In which case a link to an archived summary would be great.) It's very important to be clear

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

2004-02-15 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Sam Vilain wrote: who are experts in the field, will truly perform this task - and that to gain maximum support, that it should be included in the content mirrored along with the rest of cpan.org. I like what you're proposing, but I think the best way to do this is to